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Originally posted by: Pittbboi
That's why I always cringe when I hear the "but you're competing with Nintendo argument". I mean, it's so basic: If you release crap against a Nintendo game of COURSE your games are going to sell like crap. How can third parties even believe this? Especially considering that most third parties (well, atleast the bigger and/or older ones) have franchises that could MORE than just hold their own against a Nintendo game. Think of the golden age of the SNES: A lot of the games that made the system heaven on Earth (I'm tearing up just thinking about it) WEREN'T Nintendo games. Nintendo may have Miyamoto, but they don't have Kojima or Matsuno or Bleszinski; there a visionaries out there that are creating games that, sometimes, give Nintendo a serious run for its money (especially now that they seem so intent on pimping out their franchises any way they can). They make games that Nintendo console owners would snatch up just as eagerly as Nintendo games if developers only cared to bring them over.
So I just find "the games will be competing against Nintendo!" to be a piss-poor excuse, whether it's coming from an Nintendo fan or a lazy developer.
You're saying two parts of the same piece but acting like they are in contention with one another, when they aren't.
Third parties have traditionally whined when their games don't sell well on a Nintendo platform, and this is directly evident when you look at the average Nintendo console owner's library. I know that if I inventoried my Gamecube, DS, and GBA libraries, I'd wager 70-80% of these were Nintendo developed or published games. And these encompass almost every genre out there with few exceptions (serious sports simulations and survival horror might be the only ones not covered, outside of small niche games like vertical shmups). Point being that why would I buy Crash Bandicoot racing when I have Mario Kart? Why get GenericFutureRacingGame when I have F-Zero?
It doesn't help that for the last two generations, Nintendo had a lower userbase than their closest competitors (except for Sega). This only adds to it because not only do we have a userbase composed of people who will pick up a franchise game over a third party game (even if it's a franchise series, like Crash Bandicoot), but also a lower number of users overall. Meaning third parties will sell less almost all the time.
The fact is, however, that despite this sort of elitist attitude a general Nintendo library will have, the overwhelming problem is the smaller userbase.
You're arguing by calling this a "piss poor excuse." It's not an excuse, it's pure cold hard fact, and it's a situation that doesn't happen as much on Sony/MS systems. Sony has the GT series and - to some extent - things like Ratchet and Clank. MS has Halo and....Halo sequels. Their first party offerings cannot compete in quantity against Nintendo's, and don't approach the variety in any degree.
Note that I am not arguing that Kojima and others can't compare with Miyamoto/Nintendo, because I'm not. I think you assume that I am. But I'm not, and mostly, Nintendo fans don't, but only when they get a good game. I.e., we'll buy RE4. We won't buy a crappy port of a PS2 game that came out 6 months before, and you somehow managed to screw up the FPS and controls.
You said two basic things in your post - 1) Third parties can make good games, thus 2) They can't whine and Nintendo fans can't use this as an excuse. But that's exactly the issue here, primarily because situation 1 hardly exists. Even when it does, and even if something sells, third parties complain (Soul Calibur 2). And even when fans buy up that game (again, RE4) it doesn't seem to change the situation.
It's an issue that is inherent to every Nintendo platform and always will be.
Again, I will buy good games. Period. I don't care who makes them. But don't come bitching to me when you gave me a slipshod port of a crappy game that is six months old, and whine when I pick something else over it. That's retarded. Developers who say such things need to have their pants pulled down and be spanked with moonrocks.
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