Author Topic: Thinking about it, New Super Mario Bros. wasn't that great... (Read 27079 times)

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 23, 2007, 03:54:25 PM »

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Originally posted by: Deguello
New Super Mario Bros. is fantastic. End of discussion. Coming in with expectations of dethroning SMB3 or SMW or SM 64 or whatever creates a negative predisposition and a magnification of flaws that the nostalgic games in question bear in higher numbers. In short, you ruined it for yourself and now everybody has to bear the brunt of your silly complaints of it not being new enough or it not being exactly like SMB1 or whatever dichotomous trap is set for a game. This thread gets a thumbs down.

I NEVER expected it to be better than any of the older 2D games. I wanted to play it badly ever since it was first announced at E3 2004, and like many fans, I was excited for it since it was going to be the first 2D Mario game in nearly a decade. The exciting part was that considering the many new tricks the developers at Nintendo have learned since Yoshi's island they could've implemented stuff that couldn't have been made with past technology. So I can't help but feel disappointed that they played it too safely when creating NSMB and felt they could've pushed the envelope a bit more.

As if I didn't state this enough, NSMB isn't a bad game. The sales proof that people loved the game enough to keep buying it week after week and pretty much guarantees future installments of the Mario platforming series. But I am NOT the only one who feels that the game could've been more and are disappointed. Simply because a game has gotten stellar reviews and a lot of fan love it doesn't mean that EVERYONE will see it the same way. In my case, the game was certainly one of the best handheld games of 2006, but that doesn't stop me from believing that the game could've been more and I KNOW Nintendo can do better.

Kairon · « **Reply #26 on:** January 24, 2007, 02:19:43 AM »

Believe it or not, I haven't played NSMB yet... I don't own it yet...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

hudsonhawk · « **Reply #27 on:** January 24, 2007, 03:26:04 AM »

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Originally posted by: Deguello
New Super Mario Bros. is fantastic. End of discussion. Coming in with expectations of dethroning SMB3 or SMW or SM 64 or whatever creates a negative predisposition and a magnification of flaws that the nostalgic games in question bear in higher numbers. In short, you ruined it for yourself and now everybody has to bear the brunt of your silly complaints of it not being new enough or it not being exactly like SMB1 or whatever dichotomous trap is set for a game. This thread gets a thumbs down.

See, even standing on it's own, NSMB was just boring and phoned in. There were a few brilliant levels here and there, but most of the levels were straightforward to a fault, and unlocking hidden levels was contrived and frustrating. It lacked charm and didn't bring anything new to the table.

You're suggesting that the nostalgia factor works against it, but I think it's the opposite; nostalgia is the only reason this game was so highly rated.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #28 on:** January 24, 2007, 06:57:43 AM »

"You're suggesting that the nostalgia factor works against it, but I think it's the opposite; nostalgia is the only reason this game was so highly rated."

I agree. I think someone who is completely unfamiliar with Mario wouldn't "get" NSMB. They wouldn't really see what all the fuss was about. It requires you to already be familiar with Mario. I think the fact that it had been so long since a Mario sidescroller came out helped it too. One thing I really loved when I first played that game was the feeling of "Yes! I'm playing a new Mario!" Had the same game been released ten years ago (assuming the 3D graphics wouldn't have wowed us back then) I don't think it would have been as well received.

It is still a good game and worth buying for any Mario fan. Kairon, if you like Mario you'll still like it.

Deguello · « **Reply #29 on:** January 24, 2007, 02:54:55 PM »

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See, even standing on it's own, NSMB was just boring and phoned in.

False.

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I agree. I think someone who is completely unfamiliar with Mario wouldn't "get" NSMB.

This is retarded.

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Had the same game been released ten years ago (assuming the 3D graphics wouldn't have wowed us back then) I don't think it would have been as well received.

You have no idea either way. The best claims are the ones that have no possibility of being disproven, right?

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #30 on:** January 25, 2007, 01:34:25 AM »

I definitely don't understand why there is so much negative criticism of this game. The game was awesome. Seriously, what do you people want out of a Mario game? Claims that NSMB was unoriginal is simply not true. NSMB pioneered alot of new level designs, gameplay areas, powerups and covered alot of new ground that no other SMB hadn't touched yet. Just because they included some red coin collecting and had some of the old powerups doesn't mean it was all the same.

Another note, if you played the game to get to the end of every level and not to collect the big coins, you wasted your time. This game was all about solving the various puzzles and traversing levels in non-optimal condition to reach places that housed the big coins.

Sorry guys, but this game was great. I don't care if it starred Barbie and Ken, this game still would've been amazing. Level design considering the big coin placement was great, the production values were very high (Mario's animations are amazing), and the game was just fun to play. Nostalgia does mess with people's heads, the old Mario games were great I agree, but that doesn't discount the efforts in NSMB in the least.

Ceric · « **Reply #31 on:** January 25, 2007, 05:09:32 AM »

I love you Pap64

Smoke39 · « **Reply #32 on:** January 25, 2007, 05:31:27 AM »

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Originally posted by: Mr. Jack
Seriously, what do you people want out of a Mario game?

fun kthxbai

Blue Plant · « **Reply #33 on:** January 25, 2007, 06:43:29 AM »

NSMB was fun, kthxk

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #34 on:** January 25, 2007, 09:01:01 AM »

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Originally posted by: Smoke39
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Originally posted by: Mr. Jack
Seriously, what do you people want out of a Mario game?

fun kthxbai

Guess we weren't playing the same game.

Smoke39 · « **Reply #35 on:** January 25, 2007, 09:25:40 AM »

Or we have different tastes. IMAGINE THAT

Mario · « **Reply #36 on:** January 25, 2007, 01:49:24 PM »

That can't be it

IceCold · « **Reply #37 on:** January 25, 2007, 02:39:07 PM »

Can't be.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #38 on:** January 25, 2007, 05:18:26 PM »

I refuse to believe it.

Guitar Smasher · « **Reply #39 on:** January 25, 2007, 06:40:34 PM »

I've been saying the same thing about Mario Kart. Like you guys are saying about NSMB, I think Double Dash was fun, albeit unoriginal, uninspired, and lacking the general magic of MK64 and MK.

Like Ian was saying, I wouldn't show Double Dash to a Mario Kart virgin.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #40 on:** January 26, 2007, 12:41:25 AM »

I thought it was the general consent that DD wasn't up to par with the other MKs?

Mario · « **Reply #41 on:** January 26, 2007, 03:41:20 AM »

It's the best one

Ian Sane · « **Reply #42 on:** January 26, 2007, 04:36:45 AM »

Double Dash is usually the most criticized Mario Kart. That's a good comparison to NSMB. Good game, plays well but the design just isn't quite on par with most of the series. Too bad because teaming with someone in a kart is pretty damn fun. I just wish there were better tracks. Take that gameplay and put it with the best Mario Kart tracks and you've go something pretty cool.

Artimus · « **Reply #43 on:** January 26, 2007, 05:07:01 AM »

The difference is that DD is just really dull and uninteresting whereas NSMB is very very good for what it tries to do. I think a lot of us just expected a sequel not a reimagining.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #44 on:** January 26, 2007, 05:30:43 AM »

The Donkey Kong Mountain Track DEFIES you all, good sirs!

IceCold · « **Reply #45 on:** January 26, 2007, 06:09:21 AM »

So does Wario's Colosseum..

Ian Sane · « **Reply #46 on:** January 26, 2007, 06:45:37 AM »

"The Donkey Kong Mountain Track DEFIES you all, good sirs!"

"So does Wario's Colosseum"

I like both those tracks a lot. The problem is that beyond that circuit the track design isn't too hot. I think that's the last circuit. That's pretty much all I play.

Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #47 on:** January 26, 2007, 05:55:23 PM »

Double Dash was bullshit, I enjoyed Bomberman Kart on PS2 more, and that was also from the anus of a bull. :] LOL FORCED INTERNET OPINIONS AS FACTS. Take it to the fridge, Cranky. I liked NSMB a lot, not just because it was an actual new 2D Mario platformer!

WHERE IS NEW NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. AND SONIC RUSH 2 THEY ARE NOWHERE THAT'S WHERE.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #48 on:** January 26, 2007, 08:31:17 PM »

I am going to have to go with Pap on this one, while NSMB was a very good game, it dissapointed me as well. Personally I don't care much about the challenge of games, so that is not really my complaint. My complaint towards NSMB is that it felt like a step back, even from SMB3 in alot of ways. It needed more item variety, better level designs with some neat little secrets placed here and there (a SMB3 whistle search would have been great). Boss battles were pretty uninspired as well, they didn't have much of anything going for them when it came to fighting. I hate to go back, but SMB3, even with it being the Koopa kids really made you feel like you accomplished something when you beat the bosses, this, you don't get that feeling. Even to this day my heart starts beating when I am facing a Koopa Kid, especially the later ones, but NSMB, I'm not getting that.

Level design feels quite basic as well, and I wish they would have put more effort in character designs. I love Nintendo's nostalgia but not to the point of reusing so many character models from previous games (Mainly SM64DS), I want to see some new designs for classic enemies. Finally I found Koopa Kid to be a bore, and nothing to get excited about. What was worse was the final boss fight, which IMO, pales to most of the final battles with bowser in both excitement and creativity.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #49 on:** January 26, 2007, 08:53:00 PM »

I disagree on the item variety, I like how they didn't add a flight item this time. I also disagree on the bosses, NSMB's bosses are much harder than the koopa kids. The final boss was weak, yes (just get hit and run through) but the rest was much more interesting and often harder than previous SMB bosses (with the exception of YI).

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