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RE:No More Heroes for Wii!!!! ANOTHER UPDATED 12/3/06
« Reply #275 on: September 03, 2007, 09:02:14 AM »
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Cell shading was once stylish, like back when Jet Set Radio came out for DC.


Cel-shading is not cruise control for style. It has to be done right. Viewtiful Joe, Killer7, and now No More Heroes are all stylish.


But who defines what "right" is.

It's all opinion of what looks good and what doesn't and in my eyes Killer7 and No More Heros have a not so appealing stylized look to them to them.

Where as Wind Waker, Jet Grind Radio, and Viewtiful Joe came off visually appealing to me.

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

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RE: No More Heroes for Wii!!!! ANOTHER UPDATED 12/3/06
« Reply #276 on: September 03, 2007, 11:01:04 AM »
I loved Killer 7 and have a very cautious interest in this.  That is to say, if it wasn't made by the people who made Killer 7, I'd have no interest whatsoever, because I'm really dubious about what I've seen so far.  But still optimistic.  I'll give it a shot.
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RE:No More Heroes for Wii!!!! ANOTHER UPDATED 12/3/06
« Reply #277 on: September 03, 2007, 03:10:17 PM »
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Cell shading was once stylish, like back when Jet Set Radio came out for DC.


Cel-shading is not cruise control for style. It has to be done right. Viewtiful Joe, Killer7, and now No More Heroes are all stylish.


But who defines what "right" is.

It's all opinion of what looks good and what doesn't and in my eyes Killer7 and No More Heros have a not so appealing stylized look to them to them.

Where as Wind Waker, Jet Grind Radio, and Viewtiful Joe came off visually appealing to me.

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".


Define "lazy cel-shading".
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RE: No More Heroes for Wii!!!! ANOTHER UPDATED 12/3/06
« Reply #278 on: September 03, 2007, 03:44:06 PM »
Lazy . . . it seemingly lacks effort. It's style seems overly simplistic and lacks definition and detail.

but that's the "style" and people like it. I don't like it.

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« Reply #279 on: September 03, 2007, 04:45:38 PM »
OK, at least you recognize "style" in an overall context.

Now stop confusing the *over-abundance* of a graphical technique with the amount of effort put into the game's visuals.  Wind Waker, VJoe, Jet Radio, look the way they do cuz they have so LITTLE cel-shading to begin with.  Whereas killer7's world is pretty much influenced by the technique from top to bottom to create the freakish pop-art look.  Killer7 is not trying to convey invidivual cartoon/anime/comic characters on top run-of-the-mill 3D surfaces (or sprites) that the other games are doing.  That's something you should've already recognized.  Those other games have it easy, they've got the candy-colored visuals people have no problem eating up.

It matters not if you don't like the game's style.  I just didn't like your reasoning.

The rest of us here who dig the game fail to mention it's more than the looks that satisfied us.  It's the overall atmosphere.  You simply haven't HEARD how the game accompanies its visuals, and a bunch of other minor junk that doesn't get conveyed in screenshots and review scores and the like.  Hell, a lot of here (years before you showed up?) were on the fence about the game and didn't eat it up until it was $10 at gamestop.  Initial attraction wasn't strong, most of the interest was in heresay, and Nintendo wasn't a big help on the 1st-party front at the time.  At first it was "eh, it's only $10, why not" (sorta like Katamari after the price drop, but you don't see everyone rooting for those sequels).  They openly support killer7 now AFTER having played it thanks to recommendations from manipulators like myself.

I can't speak for GP tho.  She played thru a "bad" 20 hours of killer7 yet wouldn't finish a "fetch quest" in an "infinitately" more "playable" "masterpiece" called "Metroid Prime."  Does not computer.

Metroid Prime 3 is the easiest, most linear game in the Prime series anyway.  It's Malibu Halo Barbie for non-gamers.
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RE: No More Heroes for Wii!!!! ANOTHER UPDATED 12/3/06
« Reply #280 on: September 03, 2007, 04:48:43 PM »
You have not seen Killer 7, until it has been on your TV screen.

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« Reply #281 on: September 03, 2007, 04:57:04 PM »
I'm sorry you don't like my reasoning of . . . not liking the style.

How else could I NOT like the style? I don't like the style because in my eyes it's ugly. It lacks definition. Things have brooding polygons, the colors are bland and lifeless. Things are just filled with gradients. I'm sorry I don't like the art style and that's my reasoning behind it.

One day if I ever come across killer7 and play it I can guarantee I will say the same things I am saying now. Then what? Will you guys stop crying over someone's opinion then?

Or will you just shove down my throat how my not liking of something is wrong still?

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You have not seen Killer 7, until it has been on your TV screen.


I've seen it running in person, it didn't do much to make me change my opinion of the graphics.

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« Reply #282 on: September 03, 2007, 05:49:28 PM »
Wait, so you hate Killer7 and you haven't even played it? =/
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« Reply #283 on: September 03, 2007, 05:58:36 PM »
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Wait, so you hate Killer7 and you haven't even played it? =/


I hate the visual style.

I have no interest in playing Killer7 (I can't really say I hate the whole game without playing it now can I?).

Come on try to keep up!

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« Reply #284 on: September 04, 2007, 09:37:57 AM »
I haven't played Super Metriod because bad graphics completely ruin the experience for me.  I've heard nothing but good things about the game, but I just can't get into it.  Nintendo should remake it for DS using pre-rendered 3D graphics (like Donkey Kong Country) because I'd love to try it.
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« Reply #285 on: September 04, 2007, 10:03:28 AM »
I hope to GOD that was sarcasm.
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« Reply #286 on: September 04, 2007, 10:21:46 AM »
Nup, vudu is pretty much serious 100% of the time, and I agree with him!
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« Reply #287 on: September 04, 2007, 11:11:28 AM »
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I haven't played Super Metriod because bad graphics completely ruin the experience for me.  I've heard nothing but good things about the game, but I just can't get into it.  Nintendo should remake it for DS using pre-rendered 3D graphics (like Donkey Kong Country) because I'd love to try it.


That defeats the purpose of the game being great as it already is.  While remaking the game would be neat, but it's one of the few games that doesn't need to be touched at all, and especially the way you want, would completely ruin why the game is perfect already.
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« Reply #288 on: September 04, 2007, 11:13:49 AM »
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« Reply #289 on: September 04, 2007, 11:15:37 AM »
I've said what I want to say.  =)
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RE: No More Heroes for Wii!!!! ANOTHER UPDATED 12/3/06
« Reply #290 on: September 04, 2007, 11:34:09 AM »
Uhhh . . .

Super Metroid has the best 2D graphics out of any metroid game hands down (Yes, better than Fusion AND Zero Mission).

Don't ever insult Super Metroid even if it's for some wacky point that you aren't getting across! >.<! Super Metroid = Perfection.

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RE: No More Heroes for Wii!!!! ANOTHER UPDATED 12/3/06
« Reply #291 on: September 04, 2007, 12:34:08 PM »
Vudu, look what you've done!




Still nowhere near Mario's tally...........
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« Reply #292 on: September 11, 2007, 11:53:51 AM »
Massive improvement! =D

(Be sure to check out the comparison pics a little farther down the page!)
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« Reply #293 on: September 11, 2007, 11:58:22 AM »
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Massive improvement! =D

(Be sure to check out the comparison pics a little farther down the page!)


I just love block characters and empty terrain.
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« Reply #294 on: September 11, 2007, 01:28:27 PM »
I love games that are so obsessed with graphics that the story suffers.
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« Reply #295 on: September 11, 2007, 01:56:08 PM »
I love games that don't give a **** about graphics OR story... (Hint: This game...)
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« Reply #296 on: September 11, 2007, 02:02:07 PM »
Hey Bill if that's the case you will LOVE this game .

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« Reply #297 on: September 11, 2007, 02:06:53 PM »
:Looks at own avatar, looks at GP's comment:

Borg Queen, you've got some loose bolts and screws...it's drillin' time!

The more wierd this game is the better it will be...just like Killer7 bwuahahahahahaha.

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« Reply #298 on: September 11, 2007, 02:11:43 PM »
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Borg Queen, you've got some loose bolts and screws...it's drillin' time!

The more wierd this game is the better it will be...just like Killer7 bwuahahahahahaha.


I seen in one of the pictures he is in a gym, sounds like it isn't becoming more weird but more and more like GTA with the latest picture possibly indicating "fitness" training from GTA.  
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« Reply #299 on: September 11, 2007, 02:14:14 PM »
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Hey Bill if that's the case you will LOVE this game .

Maybe I should have clarified the importance of gameplay and art design... =3
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