Author Topic: Wii Third Party Domination (Read 52880 times)

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #25 on:** November 28, 2006, 09:33:55 PM »

Capcom is just being dumb and stubborn.

Infernal Monkey · « **Reply #26 on:** November 28, 2006, 10:21:45 PM »

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I really wanna see Sega give better support also

No thanks. Wii already has enough terrible third party games as it is!

segagamer12 · « **Reply #27 on:** November 29, 2006, 03:40:21 AM »

I wasnt refering to launch and you know it. At the begeining of Cubes life its till had better 3rd parties backing it up and they actually devlivered. right now Wii has less even less of those same 3rd parties and more gaems from different companies. Its not better support its just different support.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #28 on:** November 29, 2006, 05:50:01 AM »

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I wasnt refering to launch and you know it. At the begeining of Cubes life its till had better 3rd parties backing it up and they actually devlivered. right now Wii has less even less of those same 3rd parties and more gaems from different companies. Its not better support its just different support.

Well right out the door usually means they supported it at launch, I'm still unsure what all this 3rd party support was. Most of the games were quick and dirty ports, so far Wii has support from Capcom, Konami (minimal involvement with GC), Ubisoft, EA, Sega, Activision, Midway, Square, Namco, THQ and now Disney to name a few. I don't believe GC had quite that amount of support, especially from Square or Namco in the beginning.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #29 on:** November 29, 2006, 06:26:07 AM »

The GC had no where NEAR this amount of support.

The list on the first page could have NEVER existed for the GC.

The Omen · « **Reply #30 on:** November 29, 2006, 06:43:24 AM »

Capcom and Konami had better come with some AAA titles. Castelvania being at the top of the list.

Maybe there will be announcements for mid 07 about these big guns. Would certainly fill in 2007 nicely knowing we had Castlevania and RE coming.

segagamer12 · « **Reply #31 on:** November 29, 2006, 07:28:31 AM »

what I emwan is they all made games for GC and all early on in its life, or have you all forgotten already? When GC started out it had much better support than it has had in the last two years. Sega, Accliam, Namco, Konami, EA, Ubisoft, Activistion, Disney, they ALL made gaems for GC rigth off the bat or within its first year. I am not saying Wii has worse support I am saying it is not much better yet. JUST cuz they same companies who supported GC are Supporting Wii doesnt mean much.

OK by supporting the system right out the door I meant they had all signed up and annoucned gaems for it, don't act like you forgot all the announcments early on it its life and even before launch cuz you have short term memory if you have,. Is till haev the issue if GI that showcases all the companies and list thier titles announced for the first two eyars of GC life and that list is just as big and somewhat more impressive than what has been announced for Wii so far. Ill provide ascan if you dont beleive me. GC had STELLER support at teh begining. Hence the reason why so many games got made for it in the first two and a hafl years, it was late 03 when support dropped off.

Nowhere did I say GC has an many titles at launch, but it did have the exact same companies making games for it and Konami and Capcom both gave GC plenty of exclusive titles and many were great games and Konomi onlsy shafted GC after Twin Snakes bombed yet their mulit platform games kept coming and GC even got superior versions at tiems.

Damn people have short term memories. Just look through all the old posts from pre GC launch and early in its life, peopel were announcing GC games rigth and left, just like Wii. I am not saying its not Good support rightnow I am saying it is NO BETTER than what GC had, and not the luanch title but the first two years. GC got off ona good foot but fell apart late in 03 and hasnt gotten back on track since.

MK Deadly Allience was a HUGE game when it came out anbd stirred up quit a buzz and sold better on GC than the other two initialy.

I am not trying to sound pessimistic what I am saying is dont get too optimistic I know that for me the GC line up went from decent to bearable to crap in a matter of months.

now GRANTED GC didnt have no where near the success as Wii is having so I, like many here, do hold on that it iwll get better. But comeone even with all the quantity of games out now how many are actually GOOD games? or even the ones announced so far? MOST of the games on that list are just GC sequels anyways so how is it special or different? seriously think abotu it some more and refresh your memories a bit.

Out the door GC had PLENTY of devs who had SIgned up and were developing games, just not very many made it intime fore launch, but tehyw ere swithcing for crap N64 dev kits to GC dev kits and learning a new system whereas Wii devs only ahd to port GC games over and work the controlls into the game.

It was quicker for them to port games so it makes sense games came out early on. I rememebr being inmpressed witht he early GC games and the early 3rd paarty stuff and knew it would only get better, but I saw how well that turned out.

If I must I will dig out thet GI list and provide scans or at the very list type up what it contains, never mind the Rare stuff that went to Xbox four years latter. Most of the early announcments were just as promising as what we got here. Not saying Wii wont have good support just saying it is not so far so much better than GC to get hopes up too high. Next year maybe Ill feel better about the line up but I was ioptimistic enough to get a Wii at launch where I waited for a year to get the Cube. (not cuz of lack of games but cuz I was still pissed they dropped N64 just a year after I got one and wasnt ready to replace it yet.)

couchmonkey · « **Reply #32 on:** November 29, 2006, 07:56:47 AM »

The difference between GameCube and Wii is that on GameCube a lot of the games were exclusive deals that wound up falling through. We're talking the Capcom 5 (disappeared), Retro (4 games canned) and Rare (sold to Microsoft), all of which were "business exclusives" attracted (and lost) by Nintendo. With Wii, these are all third parties coming to Nintendo of their own free will, not based on shoddy business deals that fall apart.

Of course it could still all fall apart the minute Wii begins to lose momentum, but the point of my initial post was to document all the great positive third party feedback I've been hearing in the past few months. Ha ha, I shouldn't have used the word "domination" I guess.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #33 on:** November 29, 2006, 07:57:48 AM »

Someone is kind of grumpy today, still the fact remains that Wii is getting alot of exclusive titles. This is the first time in recent memory where 3rd party titles were considered as top purchases at a launch. Whether it be Red Steel, Rayman, or even Madden, that in itself is promising since GC 3rd party titles tended to be overlooked with only the super rare exclusive MAYBE getting looked at (Like Viewtiful Joe getting better sales for GC than PS2). Perhaps someone can jog my memory but what titles from 3rd parties were in fact exclusive (or at least temporary?). I can think of Super Monkey Ball 1 and 2 (I think 2 was), the Sonic remakes, Resident Evil 0 and 4, Killer 7 (again not sure here), and Viewtiful Joe. One thing that is very exciting about Wii that GC did not have is it attracting small developers due to the lower production costs.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #34 on:** November 29, 2006, 08:29:44 AM »

Killer 7 didn't really turn out to be exclusive, but there were a few more:

Tales of Symphonia (temporary in Japan, exclusive here), Lost Kingdoms I & II, Beach Spikers, Burnout (temporary), PSO ep. I & II (temporary, I think), PSO ep. III, Sega Soccer Slam (temporary), Skies of Arcadia (okay it was also on Dreamcast, but the GC version was enhanced).

There are more than that, but I can't think of any more that are really worth bringing up. There was that so-so Mega Man game based on the Battle Network games.

Arbok · « **Reply #35 on:** November 29, 2006, 02:30:49 PM »

There are quite a few if we count timed exclusives, and just naming some out of my collection:

Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters Melee, Rogue Squadron, Rebel Strike, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles and the Baten Kaitos games (a pox on all who failed to mention them...). Might as well count the RE remake too, if we are counting the Sonic ones.

Also, going off the top of my head, there is the GCN Bomberman game, PN03, Evolution Worlds, Billy Hatcher and several Naruto games.

segagamer12 · « **Reply #36 on:** November 29, 2006, 05:51:27 PM »

Ok see I dint know we were talking exlcusives I thought you ment 3rd padrty in general. Exlclusives never crossed my mind. by bad sorryf or the confussion.

Still I agree that it is promising KNOW but the point I made was repeated by the replies abut deals falling through, simpley put I am not going to take any announced game as definate till I see the gameina store, GC tought me that.

I wish I wasnt so sceptical I really would like to have the faith some of you do, its just comeon after N64 and GC its hard especially when the 3rd party gaems we are seeing are just GC sequels. Red Steel is the ONLY game non-nintendo that is original. Everything else is either direct sequel or spinoff or both.

But I will step down I dont want to make this into an argument and I am sorry I got off to a bad start. Iguiess I am still pissed that Online istn coming for a while event hough thatw as the big promise.

So since you were speaking of exlcusives didnt occur to anyone that GCs ONLY online games were made by non other than Sega. yeah thats support baby.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #37 on:** November 29, 2006, 06:34:15 PM »

Well I'll say the one thing Wii has going for it is that 3rd party games are getting close to the same amount of attention as first party at or around launch, that is HUGE and completely a 180 from GC or N64. Not to mention the amount of enthusiasm to develop for Wii has been impressive. I don't see things being anything but promising unless the wheels completely fall off the wagon. BTW one other new IP is Elebits, not to mention upcoming games like Sadness. In regards to Sega, I hate to admit it but they are just a shell of their former self, heck most of their new games have been getting less than stellar reviews, so I'm not sure I want to see another Shenmue from this new Sega.

IceCold · « **Reply #38 on:** November 29, 2006, 06:46:22 PM »

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Ha ha, I shouldn't have used the word "domination" I guess

More like Third Party Damnation eh?

Hocotate · « **Reply #39 on:** November 29, 2006, 09:47:20 PM »

The thing is; the state of Nintendo's competition is completely different this time around. Sony no longer has the 1yr head start and has completely botched everything. The 360 is still being outsold by the PS2 in America last time I checked, and sales are pretty much lol in Japan. Last gen I feel PS2 was almost already delcared the winner by 3rd parties before GCN or Xbox were even released.

One of the main reasons why 3rd party support slowly shrunk was because of the PS2's established success which grew. Now with the 360 still not selling in Japan and only decently in the US, along with Sony having horrible production problems coupled with an onslaught of negative press; I feel that leaves Nintendo as the default choice for 3rd parties.

Wii has a lot of hype going for it right now, I would be surprised if Wii didn't take at least a VERY close 2nd when its all said and done. Japan alone will see to it that Wii succeeds. 3rd parties go where the user base is, this is something Sony won't have for a while.... Will the 3rd parties sit around and wait for Sony to get their act together? They sure didn't wait for Nintendo. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony continues to struggle with shipping enough units well into 07.

segagamer12 · « **Reply #40 on:** November 30, 2006, 02:23:33 AM »

See that is where I differ from others I guess, I dont care if Nintendo is first or last,m I care if they get games I wanna play and thast it. I play games I like not games Nintendo tells me too, and I have always been more interested in 3rd partys tuff than nintendo stuff (id say crap but I'd get flamed for that)

Last Gen Nintendo themselves made 2 games I liked SSBM and Metroid Prime, the only other Ninty publsihged gaem i gave a crap about was Star Fox Adventures well ok Mario aprty 4 but that didnt last long allt he otehrs I hated.

I didnt get N64 for Nintendo gaems either, Mario 64 and OOT were it, I got it for Shadows of the Empire, MK 4 and Castelvania 64 anda few select other titels.

It matters a lot to me because SNES I had no problem finding the games I wanted, even if they were on Genesis Snes had good versions too, even if they were SNES exclusives there were plenty of good games to chose from.

But N64 and GC had very little to keep me playing. I love GC to death and play it regualry, it had JUST enough to keep me going, and SF adventures is ranked my all time favorite game right now so that means someting to me.

I just really hope that they get a better selection of games this time around, we got ZERO STreet FIghter, Virtua FIghter, Tekken or Marvel VS games. Ps2 got all those and many sequels, classic collectiosn and brand spankin new Smaurai Showdowns. Wii isnt going yto get those games and that still worries me.

I see MK is on the horizons but thast not news Midway LOVES Nintendo always have.

Try and see where I am coming from, half the games I wanterd to play were announced for GC and canceled or kept as PS2 exclusives whent hey could have sold on GC, maybe not steller but enough to pay them back.

Sure companies will see money from Wii and liekly continue to support it, but it will continue to be the suport we see now, oroginal wii remote titels (not interested thank you) and GC sequels with wiimote controls (stil not interested)

I want Virtua Fighter, I want House of the Dead, I want QUAKE, Area 51, Doom, Unreal Tournament, Crhome Hounds, Resident Evil, Street Fighter, Art of Fighting, World Heroes, Samarai SHowdown, Capcom Classic Collection, and games alongthose lines.

With Wii mote there is hope for doom, quake, UT, etc, but nothing has changed regarding fighting games. GC got a lot of DBZ love.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #41 on:** November 30, 2006, 03:16:06 AM »

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Originally posted by: VGrevolution Well I'll say the one thing Wii has going for it is that 3rd party games are getting close to the same amount of attention as first party at or around launch, that is HUGE and completely a 180 from GC or N64.

DING! DING! DING! We have a WINNER!

Seriously, I've said this before and I'll say it again, the fact that a game like Red Steel which is a good game but a new concept and definitely lacking in polish is selling as well as it is, even beating out LoZ on some lists, will make 3rd parties scramble to support the Wii if they haven't already.

Rhoq · « **Reply #42 on:** November 30, 2006, 03:30:22 AM »

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he fact that a game like Red Steel which is a good game but a new concept and definitely lacking in polish is selling as well as it is, even beating out LoZ on some lists, will make 3rd parties scramble to support the Wii if they haven't already.

Another good thing is all of the positive buzz that Madden Wii has been receiving. I'm not much of a sports fan and have never been into sports games (besides wrestling and tennis), but seeing the Wii get so much praise for how it has enhanced Madden's gameplay makes me believe that the Wii could be the ultimate console for sports games. I hope that 2K releases Top Spin for the Wii or Sega does Virtua Tennis Wii in the Spring.

Hocotate · « **Reply #43 on:** November 30, 2006, 04:03:39 AM »

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See that is where I differ from others I guess, I dont care if Nintendo is first or last

Well you should because that is one of the decisive factors that shows whether the support will be there or not. Do you think Wii will get good support if it doesn't sell well?

Also, I agree that 3rd party games being top sellers on Wii is great!

Now they have no excuse :p

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oroginal wii remote titels (not interested thank you) and GC sequels with wiimote controls (stil not interested)

sounds like you just don't like Wii period. :p

couchmonkey · « **Reply #44 on:** November 30, 2006, 04:09:03 AM »

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Originally posted by: segagamer12
See that is where I differ from others I guess, I dont care if Nintendo is first or last,m I care if they get games I wanna play and thast it. I play games I like not games Nintendo tells me too, and I have always been more interested in 3rd partys tuff than nintendo stuff (id say crap but I'd get flamed for that)

But that's part of the point - if Nintendo is in first, it gets those third party games. DS was born on weird games that gamers may not love, but it's now the home for new handheld Mega Man, Final Fantasy and Castlevania games.

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Sure companies will see money from Wii and liekly continue to support it, but it will continue to be the suport we see now, oroginal wii remote titels (not interested thank you) and GC sequels with wiimote controls (stil not interested)

Well, this generation I think is going to piss off and lose a lot of old-time gamers as different types of games come to the forefront. Nintendo will probably get blamed, but it was going to happen anyway. World of Warcraft isn't popular because it's a great game, it's popular because it's a social activity. The Sims is popular not because people like to micromanage an imaginary family, but because they like to talk about what crazy things happened to their imaginary family (and other people don't have to be nerds to relate to the stories).

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With Wii mote there is hope for doom, quake, UT, etc, but nothing has changed regarding fighting games. GC got a lot of DBZ love.

Oh, thanks for reminding me!!! SNK Playmore plans to focus on Wii.

Arbok · « **Reply #45 on:** November 30, 2006, 04:14:00 AM »

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See that is where I differ from others I guess, I dont care if Nintendo is first or last,m I care if they get games I wanna play and thast it.

Gotta agree with Hocotate here. If you want more games, guess what will be the deciding factor in that? Yep, how well the system sells. Firms will support a system based on its userbase, which is why this should be important to anyone who is either thinking of or has purchased a Wii.

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I didnt get N64 for Nintendo gaems either, Mario 64 and OOT were it, I got it for Shadows of the Empire, MK 4 and Castelvania 64 anda few select other titels.

Not Mario Kart 64? Not F-Zero X? Not Super Smash Bros?!?

Allow me to say that your taste in games is very lacking.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #46 on:** November 30, 2006, 05:07:32 AM »

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Originally posted by: ArbokNot Super Smash Bros?!?

NOT Super Smash Bros?!?!?

Hold me back! HOLD ME BACK!!!

couchmonkey · « **Reply #47 on:** November 30, 2006, 06:27:04 AM »

Edit: Nevermind that first paragraph...

Seriously, I have to say there's a bit lacking in segagamer's N64 collection, but Nintendo fans can get a bit snobby about the first party games. There are others out there - and that's the point of the thread, the third party support is improving.

Arbok · « **Reply #48 on:** November 30, 2006, 09:01:21 AM »

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Seriously, I have to say there's a bit lacking in segagamer's N64 collection, but Nintendo fans can get a bit snobby about the first party games. There are others out there - and that's the point of the thread, the third party support is improving.

So true... like second party games! Like Goldeneye, Perfect Dark...

Okay, I understand the point, but in terms of the N64 there really weren't a boat load of good third party games out there. I will give some credit for the first Extreme G, Rogue Squadron, WCW vs. NWO, International Superstar Soccer 64, Starcraft 64 (although the PC version blows it out of the water), Resident Evil 2 and probably Ogre Battle 64 (although I never found it to buy and would snatch it in a hurry on the VC). Really, though, there just weren't a whole lot of quality N64 3rd party titles out there, and the GCN actually had far more I would say (which is odd given that the N64 sold much better). Hopefully the Wii will improve even further in this relation during its lifetime.

segagamer12 · « **Reply #49 on:** November 30, 2006, 11:54:29 AM »

>>few select other titels<<

I guess you miseed that,. I didnt feel the need to name the obvious. If I liekd Melle why wouldnt I like the original?

Again I wasnt trying to make an arugment but nwo that its settled into a reasoanble discussion I am content with furthering my view.

I had 2o N64 games, I cant list them all, and I have had over 30 gc games so I havent been totally disapointed.

and I never said I dont like Wii I said I dont like the new style of gaems it is bringing. Same with DS I only buy traditional games for that as well.

I did like Wii Sports so far so lieki said before there is still hope it will get better, juts the list on the front page that started this discussion isnt impressive, to me.

I DO think it is promising that thrid parties are suporoting Wii, I think I said that before, I just dont think the list of games being announced so far is very promising.

Dont get me wrong I am very satisfied overal with my GC yet tehre were times when I felt like giving up on it cuz game after game I wanted to play wouldnt come to it.

My cash flow fluctuates and sometiems I have ass loads of cash and other tiems Im broker than a coke smoker

so I dont usualy suprot multiple game systems. Last gen I had no choice but to gowith Nintendo as I developed utter hatred for PS and it took MS a LOOOOOOOOOOONG time to get enough game s on it I liked and by then I was knee deep in GC.

All the suppor tin the world wont translate into diddly squat if the companies I want to make games for it dont make the games I want to play. So far the games I want to play havent been announced and nothign along those lines has either.

Red Steel I havent tried, I plan on getting either that or COD3 tomarrow or over the weekend at least.

Its just hard to get too excited for games I woudl liek to see come. Maybe it will help if I am more specific.

If QUAKE doesnt get made for Wii considering the success of Red Steel and that it is a curent gen game and DC games got ported to GC early on then I will be pissed. Same with Doom. Heres why. N64 got Quake and Doom and exclusive versions even.

GC didnt get squat.

Wii is tailor made for those two games and the devs who make them havent said anything that elads me to beleive they will be made.

Capcom hasnt pledge much of anything I care about yet, IF Street Fighter makes it ti Wii and transates well then I will be happy, if not again ill be disapointed. I was so utterely owrried fighting gaems woudnt work withe Wii mtoe my first gaem was a fighting game, and I am honestly surpised at how well it does work.

So if DBZ sells well and Capcom pledges support for the Wii and still doesnt maek SF I will agian feel let down, after all they wont have any excuses.

I just want to see games that I kjnwo I will play get made for it instead of PS3 and 360. So far 360 has three or four games all 3rd party and all of which are suporting wii game sthat I really wanna play, yet they havent been annoucned as ports yet.

Why the wait? I visit Sega.com daily and all I see is PS3 after Ps3 announcment and no love for Wii.

Granted Sega is the best example, maybe not to those here anyways, but they are my favorite dev and have never let me down games wise.

So bottom line, READ THIS ITS THE WHOLE POINT.

I KNOW I will be satisfied with SSBBrawl, and Metroid Prime 3

everything else announced I am unsure of, BUT if there is NO Quake, NO Doom, NO SF, No House of the Dead, as they are all tailor made for Wii, there is NO excuse to not make these games, then I am going to be upset. Not to the point of abandoing it as it DOES haev one quality (which IS the major selling point for me so far) adn that is VC, AS long as that gets suport Ill be content.

Does that explain it better? Please dont take offence I am not trying to argue I am trying to have a discussion and share my views, Its hard for me to get too excited after so many let downs recently. Is that fair enough? If Quake gets made for Wii and Chrome hounds and Doom then Ill be singingits praises till next gen. or at least be satiosfied enough to keep going.

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