Topic: Official Sales Thread

[BlackNMild2k1]

Media Create Jan 22nd - 28th

Software:
01. PS2 (Capcom) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - 227261 / 227261
02. DS (Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters Joker - 103706 / 1026700
03. DS (Sega) Sangokushi Taisen DS - 77229 / 77229
04. DS (Nintendo) Picross DS - 71794 / 71794
05. DS (Nintendo) Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - 59379 / 59379
06. Wii (Nintendo) Wii Sports - 58886 / 910422
07. DS (Nintendo) Wario: The Seven - 47350 / 138599
08. Wii (Nintendo) Wii Play - 43612 / 808425
09. PS2 (Hackberry) Pachinko Winter Sonata - 41411 / 41411
10. DS (Nintendo) More Brain Age - 34028 / 3902307
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11. DS (Nintendo) New Super Mario Brothers
12. DS (Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training
13. DS (Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
14. PS2 (Konami) Prince of Tennis: Doki-Doki Survival
15. 360 (Bandai-Namco) The Idolm@ster
16. DS (Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
17. DS (Pokemon) Pokemon Diamond
18. DS (Nintendo) English Training
19. DS (Nintendo) Brain Training
20. PS2 (Sega) Shining Force EXA
21. DS (Spike) IQ Supply
22. DS (Pokemon) Pokemon Pearl
23. DS (IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
24. PSP (Konami) Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops
25. PS2 (Bandai-Namco) .hack//G.U. Vol. 3
26. DS (Nintendo) 1000 Recipes
27. Wii (Nintendo) Wario Ware Smooth Moves
28. PSP (Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable
29. PS3 (From Software) Enchanted Arms
30. PS2 (Flight-Plan) Dragon Shadow Spell
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31. PS2 (Marvelous) Happiness! Deluxe (1st ed.)
32. DS (Rocket Co.) Kanji Test
33. DS (Sega) Puyo-Puyo!
34. Wii (Nintendo) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
35. DS (Sega) Love & Berry
36. DS (Bandai-Namco) Heisei Kyouiku Inkai DS
37. DS (Nintendo) Kirby Squeek Squad
38. PS2 (Sega) Yakuza
39. DS (MTO) Tea Dog's Room DS 2
40. Wii (Nintendo) Excite Truck
41. DS (Nintendo) Jump Ultimate Stars
42. PSP (Ertain) Lost Regnum
43. DS (Shougaku-kan) DS Yama Method Math Drills
44. DS (Atlus) Etrian Odyssey
45. DS (Capcom) Biohazard: Deadly Silence
46. DS (Nintendo) Tetris DS
47. DS (Nintendo) Cooking Navi
48. PS2 (Prototype) Tomoyo After: It's a Wonderful Life CS Ed.
49. PS2 (Aquaplus) Routes PE
50. PS2 (THQ) WWE 2007 SmackDown vs. Raw

TOP50
NDS:29
PS2:11
Wii:5
PSP:3
XBOX360:1
PS3:1

Hardware:
DSL 194,526
Wii 83,754
PSP 35,700
PS2 20,995
PS3 19,996
Xbox360 7,365
GBM 1,177
GBASP 1,023
GC 347
DS 82
GBA 34

Weekly Charts & Graphs

PS3 sales are still really really low, and if it keeps this up it will be selling less than the GC in the same time frame as of launch. Thats not a good thing. A price drop will have to come sooner than later or an actual "must-have" game has to be released now before the damage is too bad to be reversed. I'm sure once all the 3rd parties jump ship, X360 could become the HD system of choice as a second console to the Wii in Japan (I know, its very unlikely, but it could happen).  

[Caterkiller]

Does anyone know if in Japan the PS3's are sitting on shelves just like in the states, or are there still shortages?

[BlackNMild2k1]

From what  hear, they have been sitting on shelves and are readily available in most shops in 20GB & 60GB versions.

edit:
and to steal a joke from elsewhere
the only shortages are of demand.

[KDR_11k]

The PS3 is selling so badly in Japan retailers are already dropping prices on them.

[MaryJane]

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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
From what  hear, they have been sitting on shelves and are readily available in most shops in 20GB & 60GB versions.

edit:
and to steal a joke from elsewhere
the only shortages are of demand.

Now I'm going to have to steal that.

[couchmonkey]

On top of all that, Sony already gave Japan a price cut on the 20 GB model, did it not?

[BlackNMild2k1]

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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
On top of all that, Sony already gave Japan a price cut on the 20 GB model, did it not?

I think the other problem Sony is having is that it can't severly undercut all the other Bluray players on the market anymore than it already has. If I was to payaround $1000 for a standalone Bluray player it better come with a BRD burner and a spindle of blank disc. Otherwise shouldn't I just buy a much cheaper PS3? Wouldn't that kinda piss off Sony's other hardware partners if they couldn't sell their standalone systems because Sony was severely undercutting them on price and extra fuctionality?

[31 Flavas]

In addition, are there not anti-competition laws that state that you can not just dump a product on the market? I thought it was illegal (in the USA, at least) to give *any* discount on the product. That is, if it cost $X to produce product Y then $X was the minimum that you could sell Y for. So I've always been mystified how Sony and MS are able to sell their systems in the US for $200 (or whatever) below production cost.

I'm guessing it's vast naïveté, on my part, or else there are just lots of details and exemptions for different situations about the rule I don't understand.

Either way though, as you point out, Sony is in quite predicament.

[KDR_11k]

I guess it's because noone has sued them for it. Technically it is a violation of antitrust laws.

[BlackNMild2k1]

*the following information may be incorrect*
As far as "dumping" goes, I believe its an international law where you can't sell a product for $X amount in one territory and then almost give it away in another. As long as they are taking a similar loss in all the territories I think they will be fine, as far as "anti-dumping" laws go.

[Louieturkey]

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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
*the following information may be incorrect*
As far as "dumping" goes, I believe its an international law where you can't sell a product for $X amount in one territory and then almost give it away in another. As long as they are taking a similar loss in all the territories I think they will be fine, as far as "anti-dumping" laws go.

It may also have to do with undercutting the competition that has similar products.  If it costs $800 as reported for a PS3 and they try to sell it for lower than the Wii, I think that might be what the law is about.  Because the Wii costs less, they can sell it for much less than the PS3.  

Though that is probably not completely correct.  

[Kairon]

The Wii seems to be holding at 80,000 a week in Japan, approximating to... say... 320,000 a month there. If we assume that the numbers are more or less equal worldwide, like the launch window totals were more or less equal, then Nintendo's already shipping around a million each month aren't they?

Noteworthy is the idea that 220,000 units sold in a month in USA is a respectable number done by the X360 in the summer months I believe.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Ceric]

As a blue-ray player I think that since there is a product out their that does the same thing, play blu-ray, it is considered dumping.

On the game system side since there is technically no other player to compete with, Video Game consoles are not interoperable, then since there is technically no competition player wise if you want to give them away it's your business.

[jasonditz]

anti-dumping laws don't generally apply to a tied-products business model.  

[KDR_11k]

Yes but antitrust laws apply directly to tieing together products in different markets.

[jasonditz]

That's a good point, but I think they'd have a hard time proving that antitrust laws apply in this situation since:

1. Sony sells stand-alone Blu-Ray players
and
2. The PS3 is not doing particularly well on the market and isn't in any sort of position of advantage.  

[BlackNMild2k1]

Can I get an "anti-trust law for dummies" description please?

[jasonditz]

anti-trust laws are designed primarily to keep a market leader from abusing their position to either:

1. stifle competition
or
2. screw over customers.

The modern case for "tying" is Microsoft Windows and Internet Explorer. The argument was made (and ultimately upheld by the court) that Microsoft was using their position as the vast market leader in operating systems to force users into "buying" a bundled web browser in an effort to improve the browser's position in the market.

If the PS3 was holding an NES or Atari 2600 type market share you could probably make an argument that they were doing the same thing with BluRay... trying to use their position as market leader in the game console market to give them a competitive advantage over HD-DVD.

Though this wasn't always the case, modern court interpretations insist this law only applies to companies with unusually strong market positions... that is why, for instance, Apple can bundle their Safari browser with OSX, or a linux distribution can bundle Konqueror or Firefox.

And that's where the case would probably fall apart against Sony. They're not only not some huge market leader, they're in dead last right now.

[Ceric]

You know by that description I'm sort of surprised no one tried that sort of lawsuit on DVD players and the PS2 since for a while there it had a fair dominance number wise.  But I guest it was never overwhelming and when players became cheap they totally got left behind.

[BlackNMild2k1]

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Originally posted by: jasonditz
And that's where the case would probably fall apart against Sony. They're not only not some huge market leader, they're in dead last right now.

I know its kinda ridiculous for me to say this, but it would almost seem like Sony is fcking up on purpose maybe to avoid these anti-trust issues from arising until it is too late. As stupid as it sounds, you have to admit that everytime Sony does something PS3 related lately, it's so bad or executed so poorly, that you could almost think of it as sabotage. I mean everytime they open their mouths, something retarded or very conflicting comes out, and they never seem to be helping their own case. There is soo much bad news about PS3 coupled Sony's inability to effectively market/advertise their own products lately, that it does seem kinda suspect.

I would almost guess that Sony lost a bet with Nintendo where Nintendo said, "We got everything we need to beet you this time, there is nothing you can do to stop us!" and Sony replied with "You couldn't beat us even if we did everything we could to lose." They shook hands, then at E3 06 Sony started the PS3 Anti-Hype campaign, and its been downhill ever since.

I'm not rooting for a Sony turn around or anything, I just find it wierd that they can't seem to get anything right all of a sudden. Even when Nintendo started their decline, they still got a lot of things right, but Sony can't even finish their own 1st party games. GTHD is now a downloadable, and I think Warhawk turned into a downloadable too, and both because of development cost being way too high. They couldn't release the system when they wanted, and when they did release it, they couldn't get enough parts to manufacture enough to fill demand. Now that demand has backed off, they can't sell the things cause they are priced too high w/o any games that are worthy of the entry price. Because its not selling, 3rd party developers are shifting their gaming focus elsewhere, making it so that the PS3 doesn't have a game worthy of entry till late '07/early '08. Sony just can't seem to catch a break.

[Smash_Brother]

Can't argue, BNM.

Sony has been spiraling toward self destruction since the beginning of the PS3 debacle.

I hate to say it, but I DO want to see them pull out of the death spiral because I'd prefer Sony and MS continue to battle for the same marketshare while Nintendo just screams into a distant first, much like how Sony did last gen.

[jasonditz]

Competition is a good thing for the end user.

At the same time, I'm not at all confident Sony could survive as a distant second or third. Their whole business model is centered around being a market leader, they've got no franchises to milk and are far too dependent on third parties for content.  

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: jasonditz
At the same time, I'm not at all confident Sony could survive as a distant second or third. Their whole business model is centered around being a market leader, they've got no franchises to milk and are far too dependent on third parties for content.

That's my opinion on the subject as well. Nintendo had their own franchises as a fallback net: they can afford to finish 3rd. Sony cannot.

[Maverick]

Maybe it's time Sony get Crash on the horn?  :-P  Who even owns that nowadays?  Universal Game Studios or something like that?

[jasonditz]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother

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Originally posted by: jasonditz
At the same time, I'm not at all confident Sony could survive as a distant second or third. Their whole business model is centered around being a market leader, they've got no franchises to milk and are far too dependent on third parties for content.

That's my opinion on the subject as well. Nintendo had their own franchises as a fallback net: they can afford to finish 3rd. Sony cannot.

Microsoft could also survive in 3rd, because lets face it they aren't making money anyhow and it doesn't seem to phase them