Topic: Official Sales Thread

[31 Flavas]

Were the systems sales even tracked back then, except by the video game companies themselves though?

[BlackNMild2k1]

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Originally posted by: Mario
Media Create Hardware is up

Wii 93,708
DSL 89,287
PSP 48,804
PS3 25,531
PS2 22,663
Xbox360 9,035
GBM 1,959
GBASP 1,547
GC 611
GBA 79
DS 41

We have a new king...

Ouch thats even worse than I thought, Wii almost outsold all of Sony by itself, and personally I think Nintendo undershipped DS to give Wii the #1 spot. They ramped up DS production but ship less than they were manufacturing before the boost?

And people are saying that PS3's are abundant in Japan and are not selling. So unless next weeks chart looks like:

PS3 401,237
Wii 92,876
DSL 91,432
etc. etc. etc.

then I think Sony is in some serious trouble. Price drops will have to come sooner that later, even though Sony can't afford them.

edit:

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Originally posted by: Arbok

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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
Hey, BlackNMild, where are all these numbers coming from? Not doubting you, just need a link so I can shove it in someone's face.

http://www.m-create.com/jpn/s_ranking.html

Not sure about BlackNMild's particular source, but the firm is Media Create, and they list the data on their site (in Japanese); however, they don't have the current numbers up yet, which should include the console sales.

This is where the early software #'s come from: http://eg.nttpub.co.jp/ranking.html
But you need to know Japanese to understand what most of it is. They post the MC #'s before the MC website is updated, but I get them already translated from another forum.

[couchmonkey]

I'm sure Nintendo took the top 10 regularly in both the NES and Super NES eras, if anyone was keeping track.

It's interesting to see Sony fans continually push back the milestone for determining system popularity.  First Nintendo won at E3, and everyone said, "We'll see what happens when they come out", then Nintendo won at launch, and everyone said, "We'll see what happens when they're in good supply", then Nintendo kept winning after Sony caught up to demand, and now everyone says, "We'll see what happens when Sony gets some good games", or, "We won't know for sure until the 2007 holiday season."  The next fallback point is, "We'll see what happens when Sony drops it's price low enough."

I think Sony may manage to come out ahead of Nintendo in North America for a few months at some point, but Nintendo has won Japan.  I think Sony is done.  Microsoft might stand a good chance in Europe or North America, but I'm even betting Nintendo will win those territories, eventually.  

[Ceric]

Isn't this the first time any of the XBoxes beat the GBA combined totals?

[Kairon]

I'm eagerly watching the sales numbers, trying to anticipate when/if the Wii will pass the X360 in sales.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[KDR_11k]

We'll see what happens when Sony drops it's price low enough.

Of course we will. We will see how Sony has been crushed, driven before Reggie with their women lamenting. Yes, when Sony drops the price that'll be the first admission of defeat.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Kairon
I'm eagerly watching the sales numbers, trying to anticipate when/if the Wii will pass the X360 in sales.

"When".

It'll happen, they just need to up manufacturing and get those Wiis out the door.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
We'll see what happens when Sony drops it's price low enough.

Of course we will. We will see how Sony has been crushed, driven before Reggie with their women lamenting. Yes, when Sony drops the price that'll be the first admission of defeat.

So true.

[BlackNMild2k1]

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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I'm sure Nintendo took the top 10 regularly in both the NES and Super NES eras, if anyone was keeping track.

It's interesting to see Sony fans continually push back the milestone for determining system popularity.  First Nintendo won at E3, and everyone said, "We'll see what happens when they come out", then Nintendo won at launch, and everyone said, "We'll see what happens when they're in good supply", then Nintendo kept winning after Sony caught up to demand, and now everyone says, "We'll see what happens when Sony gets some good games", or, "We won't know for sure until the 2007 holiday season."  The next fallback point is, "We'll see what happens when Sony drops it's price low enough."

Doesn't this seem kinda familiar? Its basically the same thing everyone said about the GC back in 2000/2001.

[couchmonkey]

Probably!  I don't remember much about that period, I was between forums.  I remember before the system came out the site I was visiting was surprisingly negative about Nintendo (for a Nintendo-only site) - maybe I should have seen that as a sign.

[Spak-Spang]

I would not count Nintendo as defeating Microsoft and the Xbox 360...yet.

We had one good holiday season launch.  Sunday will be the first day since that holiday season sell out to buy new units, and will be the first true test of Wii's lasting demand.  But even with this shipment selling out it is going to do a massive amount of catching up...and then retain a staying power throughout.

I am not saying it WON'T happen, because obviously, Wii's success in Japan will be much greater than Xbox 360s.  But its not going to happen over night.

As for the PS3...we will begin to see sales of it increase when there is actually quality games worth buying on the system...and a price drop to bring the price closer to Xbox 360s...but by the time that happens, the Xbox will sell for $50-100 less as well.  2007 will be an interesting year for the console war.

I personally predict by holiday season 2007 the Wii will retail at $149.99 with Wii Sports, or even with a combo game of Wii Sports and Wii Sports 2.

[zakkiel]

Sony is already losing ~$250 on each console sold. How much a price drop are you really expecting? And, given how deep in debt they are, how much of a price cut can they afford without declaring bankruptcy?

[IceCold]

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I personally predict by holiday season 2007 the Wii will retail at $149.99 with Wii Sports, or even with a combo game of Wii Sports and Wii Sports 2

$150 US? That, I can safely say, is guaranteed not to happen. We'll be lucky to get even a $30 price drop in the next year.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I would not count Nintendo as defeating Microsoft and the Xbox 360...yet.

We had one good holiday season launch.  Sunday will be the first day since that holiday season sell out to buy new units, and will be the first true test of Wii's lasting demand.  But even with this shipment selling out it is going to do a massive amount of catching up...and then retain a staying power throughout.

I am not saying it WON'T happen, because obviously, Wii's success in Japan will be much greater than Xbox 360s.  But its not going to happen over night.

As for the PS3...we will begin to see sales of it increase when there is actually quality games worth buying on the system...and a price drop to bring the price closer to Xbox 360s...but by the time that happens, the Xbox will sell for $50-100 less as well.  2007 will be an interesting year for the console war.

I personally predict by holiday season 2007 the Wii will retail at $149.99 with Wii Sports, or even with a combo game of Wii Sports and Wii Sports 2.

I don't see Wii having much trouble what so ever catching up with 360 worldwide, it already has about 1/3 of the Xbox 360's userbase.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Actually if we go by shipped and sold,  Nintendo Wii has actually SOLD 40% (4 million WW)
to Microsofts 10 Million Shipped.

If things keep selling the way they are, they should have not only caught up to the 360 by summer, but actually left them in comfortable* 2nd place come fall.

*comfortable as in not too close to 1st or 3rd.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Media Create Sales Jan 15th - 21st

Software:
1. PS2 (Bandai-Namco) .hack//G.U. Vol. 3 - 136790 / 136790
2. NDS (Nintendo) Wario: The Seven - 91249 / 91249
3. PS2 (Sega) Shining Force EXA - 72306 / 72306
4. Wii (Nintendo) Wii Sports - 57418 / 851535
5. Wii (Nintendo) Wii Play - 45724 / 764813
6. PS2 (Flight-Plan) Dragon Shadow Spell - 40541 / 40541
7. 360 (Microsoft) Gears of War - 33212 / 33212
8. NDS (Atlus) Etrian Odyssey - 32511 / 32511
9. NDS (Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training - 31735 / 1130647
10. NDS (Nintendo) More Brain Age - 29626 / 3868279
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11. NDS (Nintendo) New Super Mario Brothers
12. NDS (Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
13. Wii (Nintendo) Excite Truck
14. PSP (Konami) Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops
15. NDS (MTO) Tea Dog's Room DS 2
16. NDS (Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
17. NDS (Pokemon) Pokemon Diamond
18. NDS (Nintendo) English Training
19. NDS (IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
20. NDS (Nintendo) 1000 Recipes
21. NDS (Pokemon) Pokemon Pearl
22. NDS (Spike) IQ Supply
23. NDS (Nintendo) Brain Training
24. Wii (Nintendo) Wario Ware Smooth Moves
25. PS2 (Sega) Yakuza
26. Wii (Nintendo) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
27. NDS (Rocket) Co. Kanji Test
28. NDS (Nintendo) Kirby Squeek Squad
29. PSP (Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable
30. NDS (Sega) Love+Berry
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31 NDS (Nintendo) Jump Ultimate Stars
32 PS2 (Broccoli) Meitantei Evangelion
33 PS2 (Sega) Yakuza 2
34 PSP (Bandai-Namco) Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology
35 NDS (Shougaku-kan) DS Yama Method Math Drills
36 NDS (Bandai-Namco) Heisei Education Committee DS
37 NDS (Sega) Puyo-Puyo
38 NDS (Nintendo) Tetris DS
39 NDS (Nintendo) Cooking Navi
40 Wii (Bandai-Namco) Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2
41 Wii (Pokemon) Pokemon Battle Revolution
42 NDS (Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker
43 NDS (Square-Enix) Final Fantasy III (bundle)
44 PS2 (Square-Enix) Seiken Densetsu 4
45 NDS (Bandai-Namco) Tamagotchi no Puchi-Puchi Omisecchi Gohiiki ni
46 NDS (Sega) Mysterious Dungeon: Fuurai no Shiren DS
47 PS2 (Hudson) Momotarou Dentetsu 16
48 PSP (Konami) World Soccer Winning Eleven 10: Ubiquitous Evolution
49 NDS (Capcom) Mega Man Star Force: Pegasus
50 GBA (Square-Enix) Final Fantasy VI Advance

Hardware - This Week | Last Week | 2007 | LTD

1.) DSL – 127,647 | 89,287 | 561,812 | 7,985,136
2.) Wii – 86,395 | 93,708 | 375,434 | 1,295,077
3.) PSP -37,032 | 48,804 | 204,022 | 4,736,151
4.) PS3 – 21,105 | 25,531 | 116,580 | 574,138
5.) PS2 – 20,169 | 22,663 | 94,869 | 20,249,728
6.) X360 – 7,041 | 9,035 | 34,311 | 299,013
7.) GBm – 1,864 | 1,959 | 7,134 | 567,064
8.) GBA SP -1,498 | 1,547 | 5,409 | 5,920,449
9.) GC - 554 | 611| 2,423 | 4,171,891
10.) DS - 123 | 41 | 239 | 6,582,594
11.) GBA - 94 | 79 | 230 | 8,823,339

Top 30:
NDS - 18
Wii - 5
PS2 - 4
PSP - 2
360 - 1

Top 50:
NDS - 29
PS2 - 8
Wii - 7
PSP - 4
GBA - 1
360 - 1
PS3 - 0    

[Artimus]

Hahahaha. Gears was supposed to be a smash hit that sold out. So much for that.

[BlackNMild2k1]

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Originally posted by: Artimus
Hahahaha. Gears was supposed to be a smash hit that sold out. So much for that.

I think it did sell out, I hear that MS undershipped as they didn't really expect it to sell, or they are trying to create som sort of false hype. but either way, if it doesn't improve on the next chart don't expect it to be around on the one after that.

[Hocotate]

huh? DQM: Joker sure droped off in a hurry Didn't even make the top 30!? wtf?

[Kairon]

Believe it my friends, the X360 is firmly entrenched in Japan with a hardcore following 100,000 strong at least that will ensure its token survival into the future.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Kairon]

NPD was right! Read here for Nintendo worldwide total of 2006!

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The company held firm to its previous forecast for consolidated worldwide shipments of 6 million Wii hardware systems by the end of the fiscal year. Nintendo manufactured 4 million Wii systems by the end of 2006 and during that time sold and delivered 3.19 million to its distributors and retail    customers around the world.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[MaryJane]

Wii game sales are likely in direct correlation with system shortages, they need to up production.

I still need my own, sharing one with my brother is rather annoying. Also we would have 2 copies of many games, and I would buy more games since I would have more freedom to play them. I'm sure there are many others in my position.

[Artimus]

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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1

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Originally posted by: Artimus
Hahahaha. Gears was supposed to be a smash hit that sold out. So much for that.

I think it did sell out, I hear that MS undershipped as they didn't really expect it to sell, or they are trying to create som sort of false hype. but either way, if it doesn't improve on the next chart don't expect it to be around on the one after that.

It sold out in some locations but reports of a nation-wide sellout were fabricated by fanboys.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

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Originally posted by: Kairon
NPD was right! Read here for Nintendo worldwide total of 2006!

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The company held firm to its previous forecast for consolidated worldwide shipments of 6 million Wii hardware systems by the end of the fiscal year. Nintendo manufactured 4 million Wii systems by the end of 2006 and during that time sold and delivered 3.19 million to its distributors and retail    customers around the world.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

And Nintendo was right when they said a good chunk of units were still in-transit (probably for the recent re-launch).

[BlackNMild2k1]

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Originally posted by: Hocotate
huh? DQM: Joker sure droped off in a hurry Didn't even make the top 30!? wtf?

I addressed this in the DS sales thread, but I'll repeat it here too(since no one really pays attention to the DS one anymore).

DQM:J was a virtual sell out as of last weeks chart and S-E was not able to manufacture more for about a week. So no DQM:J on this weeks chart but will be available for sale this week and will show up on next weeks chart. Its very similar to what happened with FFIII. They underestimated demand.

and here are some unconfirmed hardware #'s

DSL 114,002
Wii 87,360
PSP 35,274
PS2 28,491
PS3 21,192 uh oh
Xbox360 10,164

If these #'s turn out to be true, looks like Sony overestimated their appeal to the Japanese public. PS3 is readily available in Japan in both 60 & 20GB flavors and one store even had a 20% discount for the 20GB(they apolpogized to Sony for it) just to get them off of their shelves.

"we could sell 5 million PS3's even w/o games" -paraphrased from memory

Sony is trying hard to make that statemnt true, cause if they don't get their 1st party games out soon(one has been reduced to a Download due to high development cost) I don't think too many 3rd parties are gonna be making many games for the PS3 either, so they'll have no choice but to sell the system w/o any games. Considering the games that they do have out aren't even selling. I think this is the 2nd week in a row w/o a PS3 game in the Top 30.