Author Topic: Nintendo and Blizzard race for my money... (Read 11779 times)

KDR_11k · « **Reply #25 on:** July 29, 2006, 10:45:09 AM »

I liked the level design of the second Ep better (perhaps because I haven't run through it twenty times per level...) but the lack of quests made it pretty unbearable.

Ceric · « **Reply #26 on:** July 29, 2006, 11:18:41 AM »

I would have liked it a lot better if they hadn't recycled bosses. For goodness sake there only what 4 bosses in the first episode you weren't hard pressed to think of some that were truly original for the second.

The sad thing is my copy went missing about a year ago.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #27 on:** July 29, 2006, 08:56:05 PM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k I wouldn't pay one cent a month for 100 hours of MMO gameplay, in fact I'd probably insist on being paid an hourly wage for it. Comparing the price of an MMO to the price of a regular game is stupid since both games have comparable amounts of content but the MMO insists that you spend days grinding before you can see the next bit of content.

That's nice. Convince the 100 million people worldwide who continue to patronize games like this and maybe we'll get somewhere.

And like I said, I ain't talking about WoW.

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I've enjoyed the game GuildWars, as I was able to play for roughly 40 hrs, and feel like I progressed the whole time (lvl 14/20). Even though I played WoW for 4 months or so, I only got to see a handful of areas in likely triple or more of that time (and didn't even get to an equivalent lvl 42/60). I haven't played either game in over a month now. If I want to go back and play WoW for a few days I would need to reactivate, vs just loading GuildWars and off I go... I'll take option two, thanks.

You can hit max level in WoW in 2 weeks, 1 if you're hardcore.

The point of WoW wasn't grinding, it was PvP.

And the point is cost: Say you buy 1 full priced game per month at $50 (a low estimate for your average gamer), that's $600 per year.

The price of an MMO at $50 for the game and $15 per month is $230 the first year and $180 yearly after that. If that MMO occupies the person to the point that they buy no other games, who cares? They're saving $370 a year on entertainment costs. If they're content with it, more power to them.

For the record, I want MMOs which have more player interaction by necessity and little to no grinding, but with so many people patronizing WoW, we likely won't see a massive commercial product which is anything too different from it.

Kairon · « **Reply #28 on:** July 30, 2006, 12:31:42 AM »

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For the record, I want MMOs which have more player interaction by necessity and little to no grinding, but with so many people patronizing WoW, we likely won't see a massive commercial product which is anything too different from it.

I'm of the opposite opinion. The immense juggernaut success of WoW must certainly mean that any future MMORPGs need to distinguish themselves and carve out new gameplay hooks and experiences in order to avoid being lost in the immense shadow that WoW casts.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Shecky · « **Reply #29 on:** July 30, 2006, 04:02:30 AM »

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You can hit max level in WoW in 2 weeks, 1 if you're hardcore.

Well the set of data points that I have show any normal person taking roughly 30 DAYS of straight play time to reach lvl60. I could believe 2 weeks of straight play. I would need to see a screen with a lvl60 character and the /played command to believe something less

And to be fair, if you wanted to power level in GuildWars, I'm sure it's much shorter by comparison.

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The point of WoW wasn't grinding, it was PvP.

Fair enough, but one problem with WoW is that in order to be relatively usefull in PVP, you need to be a higher level (hence you would need to grind)

Shecky · « **Reply #30 on:** July 30, 2006, 04:15:56 AM »

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I'm of the opposite opinion. The immense juggernaut success of WoW must certainly mean that any future MMORPGs need to distinguish themselves and carve out new gameplay hooks and experiences in order to avoid being lost in the immense shadow that WoW casts.

Heh, more like most companies will think that they can one up WoW and that consumers have no problems shelling out $15/mo for their version/clone. I really wish people would push back more on this cost/month model. Companies are seeing the dollar signs and before we know it, solitare will be have a montly charge. (Ditto that argument for micropayments)

Ceric · « **Reply #31 on:** July 30, 2006, 04:45:18 AM »

Solitare will not be in the non-business versions of Vista until you get to the higher levels. It's actually funny the whole "home" side doesn't include games but the whole "business" side one does from the lowest level. As an administrator I personally wouldn't want games on my business machines because it's a headache for me when the boss wants them gone. Oh well... What were we talking about. Oh right. With the integration of Live! with you computer that enhanced version you paying .1 cents per play for will let people watch and comment on you game. Isn't that worth it?

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #32 on:** July 30, 2006, 09:19:23 AM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon I'm of the opposite opinion. The immense juggernaut success of WoW must certainly mean that any future MMORPGs need to distinguish themselves and carve out new gameplay hooks and experiences in order to avoid being lost in the immense shadow that WoW casts.

Warhammer Online sounds like a WoW clone, as does LOTR Online.

These companies see that Blizzard had a runaway success with WoW and would like nothing more than to take some of that pie via one upping bliz slightly.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #33 on:** July 30, 2006, 09:29:13 AM »

Yep. They could at least have used WH40k but noooooo.

Kairon · « **Reply #34 on:** July 30, 2006, 09:32:55 AM »

But why switch from WoW if that other MMORPG is almost exactly the same? I'd think that WoW has enough momentum and subscribers that you'd stay with it until something truly different and unique comes out.

Or maybe I'm giving today's consumers too much credit. *sigh*

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Kairon · « **Reply #35 on:** July 30, 2006, 09:34:51 AM »

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Companies are seeing the dollar signs

Interestingly enough, there has been a spate of MMORPG cancellations recently, as well as big failures. WoW is actually doing a lot to kill off other MMORPGs even before they come out!

Not to mention that MMORPGs are just impossibly expensive to develop, those dollar signs are looking more and more difficult to get.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Sir_Stabbalot · « **Reply #36 on:** July 30, 2006, 11:46:32 AM »

But now people look at WoW's 6 Million subscribers and forget all about that. I can see it already. Star Wars Galaxies, the only major MMORPG with any form of sandbox system, was hit a few month ago by the "New Game Enhancements", changing the game from a buggy sandbox MMO to a buggy half-assed WoW clone with a broken combat system.

Kairon · « **Reply #37 on:** July 30, 2006, 07:17:50 PM »

Yeah, but SWG was already sinking fast, so they had nothing to lose. Well, actually, they do: their current tiny userbase as well.

As SWG descends into the sarlaac pit, will anyone else dare face Luke SkyWoWker on his own terms?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

BTW: I heard SWG sucked to begin with. *shrug*

KDR_11k · « **Reply #38 on:** July 30, 2006, 08:41:09 PM »

But why switch from WoW if that other MMORPG is almost exactly the same?

Because you've seen everything in WoW already while you cannot say the same about W:AoR? I've heard of many people cancelling their accounts in WoW because they got bored with it and moved on to something else.

Interestingly enough, there has been a spate of MMORPG cancellations recently, as well as big failures. WoW is actually doing a lot to kill off other MMORPGs even before they come out!

You make it sound like that's an uncommon situation in the MMO market.

Sir_Stabbalot · « **Reply #39 on:** July 31, 2006, 06:06:59 AM »

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Yeah, but SWG was already sinking fast, so they had nothing to lose. Well, actually, they do: their current tiny userbase as well.

As SWG descends into the sarlaac pit, will anyone else dare face Luke SkyWoWker on his own terms?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

BTW: I heard SWG sucked to begin with. *shrug*

SWG is and always was buggy mess, and if it had been an Everquest clone in the beginning, it would have died long ago. What kept it afloat was the sandbox style. With that gone thanks to the NGE, allmost all the playerbase is long gone and the game's sinking faster then Luke's X-Wing when it was stuck in the swamp, and there's no Yoda to pull it out.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #40 on:** July 31, 2006, 12:03:46 PM »

WoW is all around pretty bland except for the PvP, hence why I fear the temptation for my three friends and I to all level Draenei shaman on a PvP server together.

WoW is hard to leave when you're playing it with others but alone it's easy to kick: if you don't have RL friends to play and PvP with, there's typically no point.

Kairon · « **Reply #41 on:** July 31, 2006, 02:53:37 PM »

I guess WoW is lucky that it has 6+ million subscribers then.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Shecky · « **Reply #42 on:** July 31, 2006, 06:29:01 PM »

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WoW is hard to leave when you're playing it with others but alone it's easy to kick: if you don't have RL friends to play and PvP with, there's typically no point.

RL friends? Really Lame? Friends don't let friends MMOG... (Seriously at a loss for what RL is...)

SixthAngel · « **Reply #43 on:** July 31, 2006, 06:36:18 PM »

I think RL means real life. But as you said they can't be friends if they let him MMOG.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #44 on:** July 31, 2006, 06:46:42 PM »

RL = Real life, and these friends are already addicted.

I'm the one who got them addicted (kinda) but I've since stopped playing the game.

ReverendNoahWhateley · « **Reply #45 on:** August 03, 2006, 03:42:23 PM »

On the topic of Warhammer Online: this is going to be the first fantasy-themed MMORPG that I'll ever play. Why? Not so much for the gameplay, which will probably be somewhat similar to WoW. No sir, I'm playing Warhammer Online for the sheer aesthetics of it. Honestly, take your average WarCraft Orc and pair him alongside a Warhammer Orc, and tell me which one rocks harder. There is just something about the Warhammer license that just oozes ruthless "cool."

couchmonkey · « **Reply #46 on:** August 04, 2006, 05:27:14 AM »

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Honestly, take your average WarCraft Orc and pair him alongside a Warhammer Orc, and tell me which one rocks harder.

The one with longer hair for improved head-bangability.

Sir_Stabbalot · « **Reply #47 on:** August 04, 2006, 05:37:26 PM »

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Honestly, take your average WarCraft Orc and pair him alongside a Warhammer Orc, and tell me which one rocks harder.

Warhammer Orcs, 'cus we was born for fightin'! We smash dem 'Umies an' dose Stunties, an dem Elf-boyz goes squish real good! Dem Warcraft Orcs be a bunch of grot-loving nobz, an we'd smash dem good!

ReverendNoahWhateley · « **Reply #48 on:** August 10, 2006, 06:00:04 PM »

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Honestly, take your average WarCraft Orc and pair him alongside a Warhammer Orc, and tell me which one rocks harder.

Warhammer Orcs, 'cus we was born for fightin'! We smash dem 'Umies an' dose Stunties, an dem Elf-boyz goes squish real good! Dem Warcraft Orcs be a bunch of grot-loving nobz, an we'd smash dem good!

My favorite quote from Dawn of War comes from the Ork Warboss.

"Ah'm da biggest, so's AH'M da BOSS!"

Fo' real do', Orcs in WarCraft are essentially Wood Elves on weight gain powder. Only, in their case, it works.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #49 on:** August 18, 2006, 06:31:39 PM »

I resubscribed: I've been so bored lately that I felt like leveling (and on a PvP server, it can be a blast).

Looks like you got your wish, Ty. I'll be posting a great deal less since I won't be spending every day waiting for Wii news anymore.

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Author Topic: Nintendo and Blizzard race for my money... (Read 11779 times)