Author Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Read 929868 times)

JonLeung · « **Reply #300 on:** September 07, 2006, 09:35:18 AM »

I'd like to put in a Wii preorder, but I'm waiting for an official launch date and price. Not sure why, though...because I'd bet there are probably a lot of Wii preorders already, moreso each time Sony makes a blunder, which is often enough.

And this is a big one...with the increasing unlikeliness of having a PS3 under anyone's tree this Christmas, many more people will want a Wii this Christmas. I hope I'm not already screwed for the Wii.

It may be good news for Nintendo fan(boy)s like myself that the PS3 is doing so badly before it's even released, but if that means more people want a Wii then I may really have to consider not only preordering the Wii but also games and possible accessories as well. o_0 Stupid Sony's not content with just screwing themselves over, it seems.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #301 on:** September 07, 2006, 10:52:02 AM »

Disclaimer: Kairon's right, this is just my opinion, I know nothing about the stock market. Of course, neither does anybody, it's basically like gambling. Some informal studies have shown that randomly picking stocks works as well as expertly selecting them. But yeah, if anyone buys Nintendo stocks on my advice and subsequently loses money, that's their problem!

IceCold · « **Reply #302 on:** September 07, 2006, 07:32:07 PM »

Ouch Sony..

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #303 on:** September 08, 2006, 03:26:01 AM »

Its a bad thing when the man in charge is having doubts...

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Originally posted by: Reuters

Sony hits stumbling blocks on road to recovery
Fri Sep 8, 2006 11:50 AM BST

By Nathan Layne

TOKYO (Reuters) - It seems to be one thing after another for Sony Corp. <6758.T> these days.

After a recall involving millions of Sony-made personal computer batteries and yet another delay for the PlayStation 3 game console, even one of Sony's top executives is questioning whether the company is on the right track.

"If you asked me if Sony's strength in hardware was in decline, right now I guess I would have to say that might be true," game unit head Ken Kutaragi said after Sony pushed back the PS3's European launch by four months to March.

The delay means Sony will miss the crucial Christmas shopping season in Europe, giving Microsoft Corp. <MSFT.O> and Nintendo Co. <7974.OS> a head start in the race to win over next-generation gamers in key markets like Germany and Spain.

But for investors, the bigger worry is what the setback says about Sony's reputation as a top-class manufacturer with the ability to deliver quality products to the market on time.

Now look at the link above this post and the pic with the close up of KK face...
I think that is where his career is headed after the botched handling of PS3 as a product and Sony as a company.

Ceric · « **Reply #304 on:** September 08, 2006, 04:16:40 AM »

Interesting. I read the whole thing. They do have a validate points. So many manafacturing mistakes can only mean their is a core policy problem or similar.

Now on the link above it has a link to the "Console Wars." I watched it. It's a funny Star Wars thing.

JonLeung · « **Reply #305 on:** September 08, 2006, 09:57:34 AM »

"If you asked me if Sony's strength in hardware was in decline, right now I guess I would have to say that might be true," game unit head Ken Kutaragi said after Sony pushed back the PS3's European launch by four months to March.

He's only guessing?

I think everyone strongly believes Sony's strength in hardware is declining. I guess it's hard for him to admit that but it's not like saying what he did is much better. See, if he did the opposite and denied it absolutely outright, some of us could at least think that he knows something that we don't. But by saying that he "guesses" that it "might" be true, that doesn't sound very confident and makes it seem more likely that he knows it actually is in decline (and in trouble).

Ah, or is this too much "between-the-lines" reading?

wandering · « **Reply #306 on:** September 08, 2006, 10:24:26 AM »

If Nintendo said "I guess if someone asked me if the quality of Nintendo's software was dropping, I would have to say that might be true," we'd be in trouble!

capamerica · « **Reply #307 on:** September 08, 2006, 10:59:14 AM »

He didn't just say that O_o

Ceric · « **Reply #308 on:** September 08, 2006, 11:11:22 AM »

Announcer: Ceric you have won the leadership of Sony. What will you do first?
Me: I'm instituting a new policy. Everytime someone says something stupid or damaging they get caned. I only abide absolute faith.

Brought to you by People for Ceric the Dictator to Run Sony

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #309 on:** September 08, 2006, 11:23:43 AM »

Oh dear...

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The PLAYSTATION 3's plight to store shelves has been surreal. If you think things have been hard on the consumer end, try making games for it. How bad have things been? For months, we've been hearing reports of Sony's lack of developer support. Worst yet, the company is now apparently running short on developer hardware and leaving everyone in the gray. Our Mole (no, not an Insider, a Mole) dishes:

Sony has run out of PS3 test kits to give to developers. Since the announcement of the European launch being delayed, nobody has any idea what's going to happen with the PS3 port of F.E.A.R... specially since we only have the one PS3. And it's a devkit. In case you haven't seen those things, they sound like giant vacuum cleaners. They're reportedly ridiculously complicated to use, specially when upgrading the firmware. It has just the one controller, and it's not even the proper PS3 one even! It doesn't have those "innovative" changes from the PS3 controller, it's just a Dual Shock 2 with a USB Mini port.

So, uh...If this is true (wouldn't doubt most of this...):

~ Out of SDKs
~ Loud SDKs (doesn't fare well for the actual system...)
~ Difficult to use SDKs
~ Tilt-less SDK controllers

This would be a problem...

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #310 on:** September 08, 2006, 11:36:18 AM »

AAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

THE COMEDY DOESN'T STOP

Ceric · « **Reply #311 on:** September 08, 2006, 01:10:03 PM »

CANINGS!!!! CANINGS FOR ALL of those complaining developers!!!
First borns so we may extract their souls to make Blu-Ray discs and diodes. That mole gets extra canings and we will make his whole family into Brady Bunch Blu-Ray Collection.

As I stated here at Sony we only abide absolute faith.

Kairon · « **Reply #312 on:** September 08, 2006, 05:10:47 PM »

Wow. Could we see no tilt functionality until..say... mid 2007 for the PS3?

Sounds like Sony made a really bad mistake with adding tilt functionality to their controllers at the last second.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #313 on:** September 08, 2006, 05:26:53 PM »

I hate Sony. I hate their attitude. I hate the direction they took gaming, and the mindset that gaming is only cool for young adults, which means Teen and Mature rated games only, or characters that "look hip and cool." I hate that they have only tried to attract "hardcore market" without a real defination of what that means.

Whenever I hear Sony fail at anything I become gleeful, and my day is bright and happy no matter what.

I don't have this feeling because I am a Nintendo fanboy. I really have no problem with Microsoft being in the market...I thought I would, but they have been more respectful to the gamer and the industry than Sony ever has in its entire existance. Look at Microsoft for a second, it allows Rare the time needed to create their games, and keep their Rare feel even though sometimes it is not hip, cool, or overly mature. They allowed Rare to continue to make GBA games. They have tried to truly give gamers exactly what they want in a system and great games to support it. The Xbox 360 is more a gamers console than the original system was.

Now, I am not in love with the games available at this time, but each day that list is growing and becoming stronger.

Unfortunately for both Microsoft and Sony, Nintendo just seems to have awoken from their slumber and have been doing everything perfect. Sure it perfect according to the "Nintendo Way" but they haven't had many missteps at all leading to the launch, they have a killer launch lineup of games, larger than an console before it. They have 3rd party support, They even have a great variety of first party games available for launch and beyond.

Sorry Sony, but I feel life is going to be rosy for me and bad for you for the rest of the year.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #314 on:** September 08, 2006, 06:06:18 PM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
Wow. Could we see no tilt functionality until..say... mid 2007 for the PS3?

Sounds like Sony made a really bad mistake with adding tilt functionality to their controllers at the last second.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

But they have been designing it for YEARS.

JonLeung · « **Reply #315 on:** September 08, 2006, 06:30:15 PM »

Oh, sure, we've heard about the PS3 for years...people were talking about it since the PS2 came out. Essentially they think Sony won the future - and it's easy enough to talk about something where all you do is add the next number on. Heck, if the PS3 isn't a total disaster...I predict a PlayStation 4, which everyone will refer to as the "PS4"! Ooooh. Big whoop.

But when it comes down to the actual designing of it, man, it's like they sat on their laurels, spent their PS2 dollars on who-knows-what, and then threw what they weren't going to spend at their hardware developers when they heard the Xbox 360 was about to launch. Well, just about. I mean, sheesh. As of now, there's not even final PS3 development kits, and not many of them, and supposedly Wiis are next to finalization if not already produced, perhaps?

Remember a year ago or so when people thought they knew everything about the PS3 and we were all griping that we hadn't even seen a thing of the "Revolution"? Now we know that it's called the Wii and the crazy controller and a bunch of games and a lot of what it could offer - and realize that developers still don't even truly know what's going on with the PS3 - other than that it's an overpriced, beefed-up, bulkier PlayStation.

If Sony themselves are doubting the PS3, what hope is there for anyone who wants a PS3?

KDR_11k · « **Reply #316 on:** September 08, 2006, 09:50:53 PM »

Ken "We've designed the most beautiful thing in the world" Kutaragi admits that his hardware is flawed? That translates to roughly "Yeah, we were surprised that it surpassed a 386 and could run for more than 5 minutes before burning out".

jasonditz · « **Reply #317 on:** September 09, 2006, 06:53:14 AM »

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Originally posted by: JonLeung
Oh, sure, we've heard about the PS3 for years...people were talking about it since the PS2 came out. Essentially they think Sony won the future - and it's easy enough to talk about something where all you do is add the next number on. Heck, if the PS3 isn't a total disaster...I predict a PlayStation 4, which everyone will refer to as the "PS4"! Ooooh. Big whoop.

I think it was more a glib commentary on Sony's claim that the tilt control wasn't a desperate last minute add-on but rather something they'd planned all along.

Kairon · « **Reply #318 on:** September 09, 2006, 12:05:32 PM »

Well, Sony isn't doing TOO bad in the US if they can launch with those 400,000 units and get 1.1-1.2 million units stateside by the end of 2006 like they say they will.

Supposedly, the XBox360 is actually tracking WORSE than the XBox, and might only have an American install base of 3 paltry million right now. If America is XBox360's strongest market, then they could be in trouble if they fail to maintain a dominant this holiday season.

I still think that MS should announce a price drop this fall to get some momentum. It's not about competing against the PS3, it's about appearing as the dominant system in consumer's minds with a more palatable price point and a buy-us-instead-of-not-in-stock-PS3 message.

Edit:
Oh, and let's say that hypothetically Nintendo DOES get 5.5+ million Wiis out worldwide for 2006. Does this mean that there won't be shortages?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #319 on:** September 09, 2006, 12:20:37 PM »

DS has shortages.

jasonditz · « **Reply #320 on:** September 09, 2006, 01:02:03 PM »

The Wii will likely sell out whatever they produce early. The Gamecube was a hard find during the launch window itself (I had to camp a Circuit City one afternoon to get ahold of one coming in on a truck). Between the hype, the holidays, and the people buying multiple systems to put on eBay, it's probably either pre-order of wait until after Xmas.

WuTangTurtle · « **Reply #321 on:** September 09, 2006, 01:22:45 PM »

look how much DS are sold in Japan weekly, take that number and compare that to the PS3 shipments for Japan. Instantly the PS3 will fail against the DS and of course Wii. Oh and the funny thing is the PS2 has a real good chance at selling more hardware than the PS3 simply due to shipments.

JonLeung · « **Reply #322 on:** September 09, 2006, 02:21:57 PM »

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Originally posted by: jasonditz
I think it was more a glib commentary on Sony's claim that the tilt control wasn't a desperate last minute add-on but rather something they'd planned all along.

Ah. Yes. You're right.

Still, the point I added remains...the PS3 as a whole has been expected and supposedly a work in progress all along since about the PS2 launch, and it still seems quite shoddily put together. It's almost as if the whole thing was a rush job - not just the motion sensor addition.

And I still think it's dumb for the PlayStation font to now be the same as the Spider-Man font. It's like they couldn't even bother to get someone to design a new font, even.

Ceric · « **Reply #323 on:** September 09, 2006, 03:31:33 PM »

It's a good font. But I agree as I've mentioned before either this thread or some other. For having the most time to design there Next-Gen console the whole thing feels sloppy and rushed. I would almost preferred having the Bat-Shocks back.

WuTangTurtle · « **Reply #324 on:** September 09, 2006, 11:59:28 PM »

I'll agree to that. I'm sure if Sony had another crack at it the PS3 wouldn't look like a George Forman grill, the controller would actually have been different, and they might have not chosen their E306 spotlight to be a giant crab.

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