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RE: Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« Reply #300 on: April 28, 2006, 07:35:39 AM »
When you guys/gals start talking about games again I'm in, right now I'm out, last post.

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RE:Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« Reply #301 on: April 28, 2006, 07:47:59 AM »
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Xbox, Playstation, even Revolution are all SUPER X-TREME names that are nearly interchangeable, in fact my ex used to call the GameCube "Xbox" all the time (to my frustration).


See, I don't think Revolution is extreme.  I think the idea of a revolution IS.  And that's what Nintendo supposedly wanted people to know, they were going to revolutionize gaming.  Doesn't bother me at all.

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What about Siemens?


Yes, I would have a problem with the Nintendo Semens.  

However, as people have said, it's a last name, which can't really be helped.  Now, if the store was called semen or Siemen, then we would have a more apt comparison.  But obviously, nobody in their right mind would name a business semen.  
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RE: Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« Reply #302 on: April 28, 2006, 07:59:02 AM »
This little Mario went wii wii wii all the way home.

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RE:Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« Reply #303 on: April 28, 2006, 08:17:18 AM »
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« Reply #304 on: April 28, 2006, 08:38:11 AM »
I would like to believe the conspiracy theory, but it would be so totally against Nintendo's character that I jsut don't buy it.
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RE: Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« Reply #305 on: April 28, 2006, 08:45:30 AM »
Watch the trailer again, Wii is trademarked. There's a little TM near it at the end.
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« Reply #306 on: April 28, 2006, 09:06:57 AM »
The site I linked to claims that there are no REGISTERED trademarks for Wii by anyone in either Japan or the USA.

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RE:Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« Reply #307 on: April 28, 2006, 09:32:06 AM »
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Watch the trailer again, Wii is trademarked. There's a little TM near it at the end.

it seems farfetched to me, but it IS possible, after all, why haven't they changed http://revolution.nintendo.com to http://wii.nintendo.com yet?

also, on the main page it still says Revolution instead of Wii......




now that I think of it, it seems quite possible, mm............
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« Reply #308 on: April 28, 2006, 09:32:12 AM »
Hey guys, in nerd class at school these goons were talking about next gen and pretty much everything they said was wrong, which means they're pretty mainstream (they were all self-addmitted PS2 fanboys) when they saw in the internet that the Rev was now called the Wii.  One guy liked it, one was indifferent, and the other disliked it.  Nobody lauhged, and nobody made a pee joke.

So uhh, yeah!
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« Reply #309 on: April 28, 2006, 10:03:33 AM »
"The site I linked to claims that there are no REGISTERED trademarks for Wii by anyone in either Japan or the USA."

Is that even legal, to claim something is trademarked when it really isn't?

"after all, why haven't they changed http://revolution.nintendo.com to http://wii.nintendo.com yet?"

Because revolution.nintendo.com is what people have been used to for the past... year or so? They're probably still building the proper wii.nintendo.com site.
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« Reply #310 on: April 28, 2006, 10:23:01 AM »
I don't think it's any more illegal than a pro wrestler claiming he has a patent on a submission hold.

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« Reply #311 on: April 28, 2006, 11:05:00 AM »
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Is that even legal, to claim something is trademarked when it really isn't?


Yes - there is a difference between 'TM' (trade mark) and the circled (R) (registered trade mark) - I think you can claim something is your trademark using 'TM' without registering it, but registration makes it easier to defend legally down the line if someone else starts to use it

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« Reply #312 on: April 28, 2006, 12:40:57 PM »
They have to focus test this stuff. Who told them this was a good idea?
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RE: Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« Reply #313 on: April 28, 2006, 07:54:27 PM »
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"Hostile, you keep pointing out other 'odd' names that have gone on to be households, but you have yet to show or mention one apt example of a word being used for a product when it already has a negative connotation attached to it. Lets say it's Hatfield, don't you think people will think of ham first? What if it's Breyers? Ice Cream. What if it's brown eye? A big fat as*hole, and that's the problem. Name association, not the name itself. Jesus!"

Winnie the Pooh. Badcock Furniture. Dick Armey (okay, that one's not by choice, but still.) Personally, I think Nintendo could've called it anything and people probably would've found negative conotations.

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I'll have to agree with you on that one, the concept of a Revolution may only be popular in the United States, where we have romanticized ideologies on the word.

Hmm - I actually wasn't thinking that, but you're absolutley right.

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Hey guys, in nerd class at school these goons were talking about next gen and pretty much everything they said was wrong, which means they're pretty mainstream (they were all self-addmitted PS2 fanboys) when they saw in the internet that the Rev was now called the Wii. One guy liked it, one was indifferent, and the other disliked it. Nobody lauhged, and nobody made a pee joke.

So uhh, yeah!

oh, this is very, very nice. I've been waiting to hear what non-hardcore teenagers thought of the name. That the reaction is not 'OMG WTF that's the most laughably horrible name ever' means that nothing is objectively wrong with it...and, most likely, all of the hoopla on the net has more to do with the fact that people were really attached to 'revolution' than anything.

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Anyway (sorry this post is turning into a novel). I've slept on the name and...I still think it's good. But, I've come to the conclusion that the reasoning behind it is bad. I know that's kind of the opposite of where a lot of people are at, but whatever. "Let's use the word 'we' but replace the 'e' with 2 i's! Because they'll represent togetherness and the revmotes! And also because ipods are cool!" Dumb. Why do I like the name? Because I like silly names. It's fun to say and spell, and it looks good visually.

...Maybe a good thing to compare it to is Yoda. Yoda is cool made up name, right? But imagine if, in an alternate universe where Star Wars doesn't exist, Yoda is the name of a softdrink. "Let's use the word 'soda' but replace the 's' with a y! To represent 'You'! And also because yo-yos are cool!" In this universe, the name Yoda, while still deliciously weird, would be slightly less cool.

In any case. It seems like people are slowly coming around to the name. Which is nice. Also, I got some semi-compliments from people for my cheery, overlong defense of the mighty wii yesterday. Also nice, thanks.
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« Reply #314 on: April 28, 2006, 08:16:23 PM »
what? revolution has UNIVERSAL connotation, and is a very strong and bold word around the world, its not only that you US people are romantic about it, every country who teaches history has passed a very strong meaning to what revolution means to its people, from French revolution to Industrial revolution, the word is really huge in the general mindset.

 
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« Reply #315 on: April 28, 2006, 08:40:02 PM »
If you live in the Western hemisphere, sure.
But it's not always a positive conotation, either.  I'm not saying it's a bad name, I think it's fine.  But it's not flawless.
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« Reply #316 on: April 28, 2006, 08:50:21 PM »
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what? revolution has UNIVERSAL connotation, and is a very strong and bold word around the world, its not only that you US people are romantic about it, every country who teaches history has passed a very strong meaning to what revolution means to its people, from French revolution to Industrial revolution, the word is really huge in the general mindset.
...Which is precisely why it was not a great name for marketing.

people would always associate it with REAL-PEOPLE revolutions

not the GAME-PLAYING revolution


The Wii is itself. Only time will tell if in the minds of the public

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« Reply #317 on: April 28, 2006, 08:51:40 PM »
I think that China and asia in general, whether the connotation is good or bad, is still a very strong word. And strong words are good for marketing.

No name is flawless after all, but being strong helps nevertheless.

edit: I just saw the boss' post .

The asociation with people is irrelevant from a marketing stand point, people dont really go into a rational explanation or asociation of a name when they first see it, is the gut reaction that matter the most, the asociation with people will come later, and most probably never will,  for the average person. Maybe the gut reaction of a name like revolution wont do well with grandmas, but is not because is asociated with people, but because is strong and agressive. Thats a probable reason why Nintendo dropped the name.

For "wii", the gut reaction I think is "weird" or "unusual", the jokes, comparisons, etc, will come later or just never come. If anything I think it will atract people who are curious, lets hope the overwhelming media-centric world we live in hasnt desensitized everyone's curiosity, because thats key to the rev's success the way I see it.
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RE: Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« Reply #318 on: April 28, 2006, 08:53:27 PM »
wii is a strong word also....  
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« Reply #319 on: April 28, 2006, 08:54:06 PM »
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No name is flawless after all, but being strong helps nevertheless.



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« Reply #320 on: April 28, 2006, 09:26:25 PM »
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wii is a strong word also....


I dont see how the word is strong, its pretty empty or a joke. yeah it shocked us, but that is because we were expecting something else, the non-gamer grandma isn't expecting anything at all, so when she sees the name in a big billboard or other advertisment she'll just go "wha..?". As I said, we are pretty much desensetized by overexposure to media, and in that scenario being strong really helps, the grandma has a big chance to dissmiss it as another thing thats just not for her among all those iPods, ebays and other weird sounding names so frequently used.



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« Reply #321 on: May 01, 2006, 07:47:36 AM »
I'd like to dedicate this next little number to all those out there, don't be shy now I know you're out there, who are afraid of how successful a brand can be with toiletry connotations.

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Where Christopher Robin plays,
There's an enchanted neighborhood,
Of Christophers childhood days.

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And Kanga and little Roo,
Theres Rabbit and Pigglet,
Then theres Owl,
But most of Winnie The Pooh!

Winnie The Pooh!
Winnie The Pooh!
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He's Winnie The Pooh!
Winnie The Pooh!
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Winnie The Pooh!
Winnie The Pooh!
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RE: Revolution no more-Nintendo Wii
« Reply #322 on: May 01, 2006, 07:54:07 AM »
Umm, Winnie the Pooh is a children's cartoon character.

Nintendo needs to shake the image that it's hardware and software are designed for children, not personify it.
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« Reply #323 on: May 01, 2006, 08:31:03 AM »
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Umm, Winnie the Pooh is a children's cartoon character.


Exactly!  Thanks, Kairon, for confirming our worst fears....the Wii will be looked upon as a childrens product!  Great! lol

If this does turn out to be a marketing ploy, then by god, they're genius!  I would forever praise Nintendo if they pulled this off.  However, I have no faith in their marketing whatsoever right now, so I kind of doubt it.  Bring on E3!
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« Reply #324 on: May 01, 2006, 08:36:33 AM »
Winnie the Pooh has had Generations to live down its Stigma.  In fact it might have something to do with the origin of the world.  I'm sure once thw Wii gets as old as Winnie the Pooh it will just be a note in eclectic history.
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