Author Topic: PS3 Facing Delays - 2007? (Read 19320 times)

Talon · « **Reply #25 on:** February 20, 2006, 01:01:56 PM »

If memory serves me correctly the orignal Playstation debuted in Australia at a RRP $1000. So it would not be the first time SONY has charged like a wounded bull for a console. Im pretty sure though that it took a big price cut very early on its life cycle though and it still performed well.

Only time will tell if SONY has done the right thing.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #26 on:** February 20, 2006, 11:09:45 PM »

Talon: Meanwhile the PS1 went for 299$ in the US. Life's unfair, eh?

capamerica: The PSP loss estimates were mostly price predicted by analysts (Merril Lynch again, I think) - actual price. I doubt they were nearly as big. The PS3 has no LCD or battery so the costs aren't comparable in any way. Since Sony has less external manufacturers to deal with (they make all the chips themselves, I think NVidia even lets Sony make the GPUs) they could deliver a system that's comparable to the XC at a lower price.

Smash_Brother: I'm talking about the current console generation.

zakkiel · « **Reply #27 on:** February 21, 2006, 03:57:27 PM »

KDR, in reality you have no idea what Sony is paying for components, so I'll stick to the ones who make their living working out those facts for the moment. It seems more persuasive to me than the extremely conjectural and heuristic arguments abounding in this thread.

And it does not surprise me in the slightest that the initial run of 360s cost more than $500 to produce. It dovetails perfectly with Microsoft's general effort to leverage it huge cash reserves, its desperation to get to market early, and its abiding problems with producing 360s.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #28 on:** February 21, 2006, 04:09:56 PM »

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Smash_Brother: I'm talking about the current console generation.

I know, and I'm saying that it appears we're getting a price hike from Sony and MS in the NEXT generation.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #29 on:** February 21, 2006, 11:10:12 PM »

zakkiel: Except those people doing it for a living have a track record of being 0% accurate.

S to the B: They're hiking prices here as well but we were already paying more than your new price before that. So complaints about 60$ being too much just fall on deaf ears with me.

zakkiel · « **Reply #30 on:** February 22, 2006, 12:20:10 PM »

Foolish of them to keep plugging away with a track record of 0%. Don't they realize they could just come to an internet forum for all the information they need?

KDR_11k · « **Reply #31 on:** February 22, 2006, 08:33:55 PM »

Perhaps they should just stay the f### away from predicting console prices because they always overestimate by ~100%, sometimes even more. Another bunch of analysts predicted the next gen sales numbers by taking current gen numbers and replacing PS2, XB and GC with PS3, XC and Rev. Really. F###ing. Worthless. I haven't seen anything that suggests analysts know anything a GameFAQs user doesn't. In fact I've seen more evidence that analysts have no clue about gaming and try to apply conventional market logic which completely forgets that first and formost a game has to be good in order to sell. Never mind that two analysts never arrive at the same conclusion. Really, I'd rather trust Spong than believe an analyst.

Perhaps they're doing it for the sensationalism. Analyst groups are a lot like news agencies, wouldn't surprise me if they made s### up in order to get people to notice them.

BigJim · « **Reply #32 on:** February 23, 2006, 03:37:41 AM »

Joining in late, but the delay is no surprise... What were they going to do, launch without a proper E3 bash and pre-sale POP materials? Or launch the day after E3? Bah.

I doubt it'll get bumped to 2007 for the U.S. market, but delaying the spring launch is not the least bit surprising. Even back last summer nobody had solid dev kits, not even EA LA (I know someone there). So how the heck were they going to launch in spring? Wasn't going to happen. This was seen coming from miles away.

Regarding the component prices, I think they're way off. For one, the CPU was previously reported by actual tech industry circles to account for $100-ish of the cost. Secondly, the BRD drive was also reported to contribute $100 to the cost. So who is right, and why the dramatic discrepancy? I don't think the analysts are considering that the PS3 contains BRD hardware components directly on-board, and mostly only requires the bare drive, as opposed to a stand alone BRD player that includes the drive plus all the playback hardware. In other words, I think their $350 price is unnecessarily double-dipping redundant costs.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #33 on:** February 23, 2006, 08:33:33 AM »

I have a feeling Nintendo and Sony are going to both Release this November...but Nintendo may try to pull something and release in late August and try to get a 2 month jump on Sony. It would be smart.

Nintendo seems to be in a great position with finally getting more complete development kits out to developers, and they are really gearing up for E3 this year. I have a feeling the third party support this generation, or at least this launch will be pretty strong.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #34 on:** February 24, 2006, 11:38:56 AM »

I used to think Nintendo would be wise to launch within a month of PS3, but that's when I assumed that Revolution would be equally powerful and would be fighting with Sony and Microsoft in an either/or situation. With the new controller design, I think it's a very different type of battle, Nintendo is targeting a different market...ironically, that means a lot of people may buy both of them. One graphics powerhouse with traditional games and one cheaper system that offers more unique gameplay.

In the original situation, I felt it was key for Nintendo to show that it's fighting Sony head-to-head. Now, with Xbox 360 launching way ahead, and with Nintendo using a very different strategy for the Revolution, I think it would be smart for Nintendo to try and beat Sony to launch. That way gamers thinking about each system don't blow all their money on a PS3 before Revolution is available. Of course, it all depends on Sony launching late enough for Nintendo to actually have a chance of out-launching it.

Oh yeah, and Sony recently denied these rumours and said a delay is possible, but not inevitable...I'm still betting on the fourth quarter.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #35 on:** February 25, 2006, 09:13:31 AM »

In a discussion on Slashdot several posters mentioned that IBM said they can make the Cell for 50$ a piece. So much for that Merril Lynch report...

wandering · « **Reply #36 on:** February 26, 2006, 12:52:16 AM »

Oh, Sony is denying the report, as well.....

I still think the system will be delayed and ridiculously expensive, though...

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #37 on:** February 26, 2006, 06:19:26 AM »

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S to the B: They're hiking prices here as well but we were already paying more than your new price before that. So complaints about 60$ being too much just fall on deaf ears with me.

That's including the currency difference, right?

If so, you have my condolences. I have a buddy in Puerto Rico has me buy games in the states for him and send them to him because the taxes there are so damn bad.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #38 on:** February 26, 2006, 10:08:27 AM »

Games cost 60 Euros this gen and the publishers are aiming for 68 Euros next gen. That's ~70$ (US) and 80$ respectively. Seriously, it's cheaper to import games from Lik-Sang than to buy locally.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #39 on:** February 26, 2006, 12:09:00 PM »

Ack...

Speaking of which, has Nintendo announced anything lately in the way of pricing?

What do DS games sell for?

Caliban · « **Reply #40 on:** February 26, 2006, 06:32:43 PM »

Sony might be denying those reports, but I still think they have yet to deny their false-statements about the PS3's capabilities. I think that the PS3 will be just as powerful as the X360, why? They haven't shown anything that will say that it is better, and from what they have shown it looks like even the X360 could easily handle the job. Conclusion, I think Sony went too far into the rabbit hole and they just can't handle the thruth. A delay? You bet your pico furry ass!

Zach · « **Reply #41 on:** February 26, 2006, 06:45:41 PM »

Thats a good point, Sony hasnt really shown any actual in game graphics or screen shots. To be fair, neither has nintendo, but they are not the ones saying how graphically superior their console is going to be.

Requiem · « **Reply #42 on:** February 26, 2006, 08:08:52 PM »

Well if Sony could actually get a dev kit working with all the proper components, then I'm sure they would show some screens. Ironically, they can't. The PS3 dev kits keep over-heating and melting.

I don't remember what article I read about it, but it was very interesting. They even went on to say that the components probably needed a bigger chassis. I thought the PS3 was gigantic already....

KDR_11k · « **Reply #43 on:** February 26, 2006, 10:24:41 PM »

What do DS games sell for?

Usually 40 Euros (50$), same as PC and GBA games. Some games are cheaper (Castlevania cost 35 Euros), some are more expenive (Tony Hawk's cost 50 Euros). Cheapest price at release is 30 Euros for games like Polarium.

Thats a good point, Sony hasnt really shown any actual in game graphics or screen shots.

Unreal Tournament 2007? Okay, so that wasn't playable and had only a machinima video running but they did demonstrate that it's in realtime.

Renny · « **Reply #44 on:** February 27, 2006, 06:41:36 AM »

Europe is the ideal place for a 'hardcore' gamer. Importing is cheap, and you don't have to worry about NTSC versus PAL signals. Importing into the US costs more to us, and playing PAL games is highly restrictive at best, highly expensive in the case of requiring a good PAL-to-NTSC converter. That is, for the scant few games that are localized for Europe but not the US (a couple that I'd like, but the price barrier is too high).

Caliban · « **Reply #45 on:** February 27, 2006, 08:31:54 AM »

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Unreal Tournament 2007? Okay, so that wasn't playable and had only a machinima video running but they did demonstrate that it's in realtime.

That still doesn't prove it's more powerful than the X360, or the Rev for any matter. To prove which console is stronger we would have to have the same game for all 3 consoles side-by-side, and even that wouldn't be sufficient proof because the game would be specially designed for each console.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #46 on:** February 27, 2006, 10:21:45 PM »

Renny: Well, yes, except Europe always gets big delays for console games (but not PC games), many games aren't released here (Katamari Damacy, anyone?) and importing is only cheaper because retail prices are outrageous. On the upside we DID get games while the industry was crashed in the US, indie games for the PC are sold in stores and our DVDs have the same region code as Japan.

jasonditz · « **Reply #47 on:** February 28, 2006, 05:25:12 AM »

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In a discussion on Slashdot several posters mentioned that IBM said they can make the Cell for 50$ a piece. So much for that Merril Lynch report...

I've heard that as well... then again maybe 'IBM can make for', and 'IBM is willing to sell to Sony for' are wildly different. Maybe Sony made a really bad deal when they agreed to a price? Might be time to look at IBM stock

capamerica · « **Reply #48 on:** February 28, 2006, 06:19:02 AM »

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Unreal Tournament 2007? Okay, so that wasn't playable and had only a machinima video running but they did demonstrate that it's in realtime.

UT 2007 is also coming out for the Xbox360 you know.

jasonditz · « **Reply #49 on:** February 28, 2006, 06:19:57 AM »

Wasn't the engine for it at least also being ported to the Rev supposedly?

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