Author Topic: More Controller Details to Come (Read 19819 times)

Artimus · « **Reply #25 on:** December 03, 2005, 12:48:47 PM »

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Maybe the Controller itself will have SPEAKERS?!?!

this idea appeals to me. similar to the direction apple has taken with it's mighty mouse (for those of you who dont know, apple's mighty mouse has a built in speaker for a deeper level of sensory immersion)

Except no one likes the Mighty Mouse.

Shecky · « **Reply #26 on:** December 03, 2005, 01:07:11 PM »

Yes, a low-fidelity speaker will surely go nicely and be heard above my home theater.

NO THANKS

nemo_83 · « **Reply #27 on:** December 03, 2005, 01:38:26 PM »

"Maybe the Controller itself will have SPEAKERS?!?!" Perhaps, its interesting, but it would be optional in most games as turning the speakers up loud might drain the batteries. It would work great for shooters, sword fighting, and especially music games.

They likely plan on having this mic plug into the bottom of a remote. This could mean VR head gear you plug an independent remote into seperate from the one in your hand, it could mean the mic is built into the analog egg piece, it could mean Nintendo wants to shoot its nose off by making a seperate egg piece with a built in mic but without the analog stick, and it could mean we will have a lot of cords coming off the remote in our hand. What I mean by that last option is that Nintendo may have attachments that allow us to plug multiple items into a single remote such as an egg piece (or traditional shell), an ear piece mic, and charger cord all at once.

I wonder if this secret may be a packaged in DDR style pad. I'm not such a fan of DDR's use of it for basically Simon Says, but in a game like Zelda you could run as fast as you stomp and be able to use two remotes at once to control the shield and sword. You could also be able to control with your feet turning, strafing, and jumping.

I read another quote from the man yesterday; he says, “People’s idea that video games were American grade school kids with their face pressed up against the TV made us want to design the new controller. Boring things will become interesting. But, I can’t say any more.”

He takes aim at the TV again; I love it. This could give weight to a real 3D projection system or augmented reality.

King of Twitch · « **Reply #28 on:** December 03, 2005, 01:44:50 PM »

Headphone/microphone jack could work. Maybe make it compatible with those cheaper headsets you can get for cell phones.

edit: Er nm, the nunchuck movement might lead to ripping the earbud out of your ear.

slacker · « **Reply #29 on:** December 03, 2005, 03:09:37 PM »

My guess is that a gameboy micro is built right into the controller somewhere or there is a pressure sensitive touch pad on the remote that will be the new d-pad. This would eliminate the nunchuck attachment and make the remote darn close to complete. It would be cool if the gameboy micro was the secret, but a pressure sensitive touchpad would open up quite a few possibility. I doubt the secret would be a VR type headset, which if true, would eliminate the need for a tv and would probably bring Nintendo back to the top of the food chain.

zakkiel · « **Reply #30 on:** December 03, 2005, 05:54:18 PM »

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My guess is that a gameboy micro is built right into the controller somewhere or there is a pressure sensitive touch pad on the remote that will be the new d-pad. This would eliminate the nunchuck attachment and make the remote darn close to complete.

Hurray for $100 dollar controllers capable of intimidating even the most hardcore gamer, let alone non-gamers! And why anyone would want a touch-pad instead of an analog stick is absolutely beyond me. Besides which, they really need those two trigger buttons on the nunchuck attachment.

A VR headset would probably eliminate my need for Nintendo. "Augmented reality" will be mass-marketed approximately one day after personal jetpacks and flying cars become the norm.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #31 on:** December 03, 2005, 06:30:11 PM »

"'Augmented reality' will be mass-marketed approximately one day after personal jetpacks and flying cars become the norm."

I'm totally getting a jetpack, a zeplin, and a submarine when the future arrives.

zakkiel · « **Reply #32 on:** December 04, 2005, 08:39:07 AM »

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I'm totally getting a jetpack, a zeplin, and a submarine when the future arrives.

If that's intended to be sarcasm, you probably shouldn't have picked devices that perfectly illustrate my point. Unless you happen to own a submarine and/or zeppelin?

wandering · « **Reply #33 on:** December 04, 2005, 09:22:39 AM »

Oh snap - I just remembered. The origiinal splitable controller patent - the one that was disguised as a patent for the DK bongos, mentioned that games could be put directly into the controller and the controller could be directly connected to the tv. Classic games on the go!

Can you dig it?

Strell · « **Reply #34 on:** December 04, 2005, 09:45:55 AM »

Wandering.

If that happened.

I would freely give ....favors to everyone at Nintendo.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #35 on:** December 04, 2005, 12:27:01 PM »

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I'm totally getting a jetpack, a zeplin, and a submarine when the future arrives.
If that's intended to be sarcasm, you probably shouldn't have picked devices that perfectly illustrate my point. Unless you happen to own a submarine and/or zeppelin?

I was just joking about how the future never arrived. We're suppossed to have holograms, flying cars, men on Mars, and more by now. But the zeplin is going to make a comeback I'm telling you.

As far as technologies that affect videogames go I believe we'll see augmented reality long before 3D holographic projection. Holograms are too expensive (they're the stuff science fiction is made of); augmented reality offers the same effect at a fraction of the cost.

Thus I come to the following dumping of quotes.

I believe the following is the latest quote from Miyamoto in its entirety.

“People’s idea that video games were American grade school kids with their face pressed up against the TV made us want to design the new controller. Boring things will become interesting. But, I can’t say any more.”

It makes me believe he has a beef with TVs. He has talked many times about breaking the tradition of needing the TV. He has said before:

"It's convenient to make games that are played on TVs. But I always wanted to have a custom-sized screen that wasn't the typical four-cornered cathode-ray-tube TV. I've always thought that games would eventually break free of the confines of a TV screen to fill an entire room. But I would rather not say anything more about that."

What he says makes me think of either 3D projection or stereoscopic virtual reality headgear one plugs a reVmote into seperate from the one(s) held in the hand(s). This would get rid of any worries about not having an analog stick when dual wielding remotes.

He's definately talking about the controller in the latest quote, but he is saying that the inspiration for the controller's motion capture spawned from their disappointment with the stationary televsion.

I stole the following from a blog, but it relates to this topic.

"Akihiro Hino (producer at Level 5, ´True Fantasy Live Online´, ´Dragon Quest VIII´) believes that the Revolution will give birth to new types of games. He is personally interested in making an RPG where you hold a shield in one hand, a sword in the other and mount a head set on our head"

Also here are two quotes from n-sider.com

"We invented the current way a console is played - in front of a television and holding a controller - but maybe that image will change." - Satoru Iwata, Nintendo President
May 13, 2004

"The concept of a home system today is defined as hardware that you tether to a box (TV), and you are tethered to it via a controller; we think that's an old paradigm."
- Reginald Fils-Aime
January 01, 2005

Don'tHate742 · « **Reply #36 on:** December 04, 2005, 01:11:43 PM »

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Originally posted by: wandering
Oh snap - I just remembered. The origiinal splitable controller patent - the one that was disguised as a patent for the DK bongos, mentioned that games could be put directly into the controller and the controller could be directly connected to the tv. Classic games on the go!

Can you dig it?

My God! Your definitely on to something!

trip1eX · « **Reply #37 on:** December 04, 2005, 01:49:36 PM »

Maybe you'll be able to play on multiple monitors.

I know Miyamoto thinks about getting away from the TV but I just don't see that happening next year. 3d projection or whatever isn't there. Possibly the Revolution could be a projector too. But I don't see much of the customer base having the room for a projector and the expensive would be too great for a $200 machine.

MrMojoRising · « **Reply #38 on:** December 05, 2005, 12:01:37 AM »

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Oh snap - I just remembered. The origiinal splitable controller patent - the one that was disguised as a patent for the DK bongos

That was a patent for the DK bongos...you're just crazy. You're not going to find anything interesting in patents ever, the patents get published months, sometimes years after the product has been shown publicly.

wandering · « **Reply #39 on:** December 05, 2005, 12:50:23 AM »

Yeah, DK bongos that could SPLIT IN TWO and could connect directly to the TV...with special wording in the patent so as to say the functionality is still patented even the likely event that the controller, in fact, doesn't resemble bongos but rather a normal controller instead.

Oh, as for the 3d thing....I think it's happening. Not with a special monitor (the controller videos showed a tv....although Nintendo is tricksy), but in some other way. Like 3d glasses.

Regardless, there's almost certianly something special/secretive about the graphics. Nintendo had no qualms about giving us a tech demo on non-final hardware at spaceworld 2000...you'd think that they'd be willing to do the same thing now, especially when it could really help sell the functionality of the controller - unless there's some things they don't want us to see yet.

...Or maybe they're just holding back on showing graphics for strategic/marketing reasons, I don't know.

Dasmos · « **Reply #40 on:** December 05, 2005, 01:20:15 AM »

No you don't know. Nobody knows. Except those at Nintendo!

couchmonkey · « **Reply #41 on:** December 05, 2005, 04:51:09 AM »

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Regardless, there's almost certianly something special/secretive about the graphics. Nintendo had no qualms about giving us a tech demo on non-final hardware at spaceworld 2000...you'd think that they'd be willing to do the same thing now, especially when it could really help sell the functionality of the controller - unless there's some things they don't want us to see yet.

I disagree. I'm not saying that there's nothing special about the graphics - anything's possible - but I don't think Nintendo hiding demos from us is proof. Nintendo has said a few times that it doesn't want people to see graphics without playing the games. I think Nintendo wants to make sure the press gets the full experience immediately instead of looking at pictures and guessing how the games might play...because then they can make assumptions, and those assumptions may not all be flattering.

MrAustin · « **Reply #42 on:** December 05, 2005, 07:35:34 AM »

If it were true that you could get an adapter to hook the Revolutoin controller up to a TV through standard RCA cables and play classics on the go, it would be awesome. However, what is to stop someone from going out and purchasing a controller, taking it to their friend's house to load up on games, then keeping that and having retro goodness?

I have no doubts that the Revolution will have strong DRM techniques in place to prevent this type of blatant abuse, but hackers love cracking DRM, and Nintendo has always been a very forward-thinking company when it comes to piracy.

I don't see it happening.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #43 on:** December 05, 2005, 08:19:05 AM »

"I think the new REV controller will mimick the touch screen functionality of the DS and allow us to play DS games on a tv set."

This is feasible though not exactly like the GB Player which didn't require a GBA. What if you still played on your DS, and thus used the touchscreen, but you could see the contents of the DS screens on your TV? Now some games absolutely require you to look at the screen you are touching. But some don't so you could play them on the TV with no problems. Something like Metroid Prime Hunters where the touchscreen isn't even meant to be viewed while playing would work perfectly. I think an ideal feature would to have the option of seeing both screens or only one or the other.

Plus remember that both the touchscreen and the remote effectively act like a mouse. They could add a cursor for when you play DS games on the Rev to show you where the remote is pointing. Then pushing the A button represents a touch. When you move the remote normally it's like hovering over the screen with the stylus while moving the remote while holding the A button is like pressing the stylus against the screen. Now I'll admit that this wouldn't quite feel as immersive as a touchscreen for something like Warioware Touched. But it would work great for games like Advance Wars or Castlevania and it would give people the option of seeing their DS games on a TV.

JonLeung · « **Reply #44 on:** December 05, 2005, 08:40:29 AM »

I have no doubt that at the very least there will be some kind of connectivity between the Revolution and the DS. Every generation has had it. Well, except for the NES with the Game & Watches...

Super NES & Game Boy via Super Game Boy
Nintendo 64 & Game Boy Color via Transfer Pak (okay, it was only for Pokémon/Perfect Dark/Mario Tennis...)
GameCube & Game Boy Advance via GBA-GCN Cable or Game Boy Player

The Revolution and the DS are both capable of connecting wirelessly on their own and also via Wi-Fi to others farther away. It would be easier to get on the connectivity bandwagon than with the GBA-GCN push that was really more of a wimpy shove, at least compared to expectations.

And it's true that the motion sensors make the controller like the DS's touchscreen (along with a third dimension). So you could play DS games on the big screen, if you had a microphone, too.

A microphone is a likely controller attachment but I'm not sure how many people would play their DS games on the big screen...anyone know how well the Super Game Boy and Game Boy Players sold?

KDR_11k · « **Reply #45 on:** December 05, 2005, 08:51:59 AM »

What if you still played on your DS, and thus used the touchscreen, but you could see the contents of the DS screens on your TV?

The DS broadcasts the images on its screens via RF, I remember someone partially picking the signal up with a room antenna and the demo units at the GC-Leipzig had two TVs above them showing the screen contents. Nintendo probably built that in for those demo units so spectators wouldn't have to look at the tiny screen. If that signal was reverse engineered you could probably build a 10$ unit that'll pick up the DS signal and show it on your TV.

trip1eX · « **Reply #46 on:** December 05, 2005, 09:46:47 AM »

There will DS and REv connectivity. They've said as much. I don't think the last big secret tho is this. OR the ability to play DS games on the Rev. That's just not something to keep a big secret and I don't think it's a massive selling point. Nice for some DS owners perhaps but not a big selling pt.

The secret is some kind of new (to videogames) tech. Virtual Boy goggles? That's the only way I can see them doing some weird 3d stuff, but with the controller tech demo and talk of sensors by your tv I don't see this happening besides it's not something alot of folks will like to do.

I still don't think it's the mic thing. That's been done before with other consoles and a headset.

If it's not a new tech it's something to do with the games. LIke having the ability to map the controls of old games to the new controller anyway you want to. And/or playing with different characters in different games like they sort of mentioned before.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #47 on:** December 05, 2005, 10:12:33 AM »

"That's just not something to keep a big secret"

With Nintendo that's not necessarily good enough evidence to prove that they wouldn't. Gamecube "click" triggers wasn't really something to keep a big secret either.

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #48 on:** December 05, 2005, 10:40:40 AM »

They kept Gamecube "click" triggers a big secret? I don't remember that.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #49 on:** December 05, 2005, 11:07:55 AM »

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"That's just not something to keep a big secret"

With Nintendo that's not necessarily good enough evidence to prove that they wouldn't. Gamecube "click" triggers wasn't really something to keep a big secret either.

How about that DS touch screen, eh?

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