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RE: My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2005, 10:46:18 PM »
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RE:My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2005, 07:05:05 AM »
You guys all make valid points too, but what if, just IF, it's all smoke and mirrors?  I mean, if they talked openly about "Broadway" and partnerships with IBM and ATI, etc., then why clam up all of a sudden?  And, though I love a good deal myself, how IS a next gen sys gonna be THAT cheap considering that Ninty hates taking a loss on anything?  I mean, I'm not saying that my theory will become fact, it's just that a lot of things strike me just plain odd.

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RE: My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2005, 07:52:33 AM »
Nintendo has always been pricing their systems at 200...Inflation from the GCN wouldn't even put it at 250. Technology gets cheaper.

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RE: My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2005, 08:09:40 AM »
"I mean, if they talked openly about "Broadway" and partnerships with IBM and ATI, etc., then why clam up all of a sudden?"

Are you new to this whole Nintendo fan thing?
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RE: My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2005, 10:02:10 AM »
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RE:My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2005, 12:02:25 PM »
Really great theory, and best of all, for once something negative against Nintendo didnt sound like Nintendo bashing

So, we know its not gonna look the same as the competition. But we also know its not gonna be any insane price like the competition. I mean, of course they could make the graphics better with no problem. But pricing is where they have their edge so they're sticking with it. I really think the Rev will be even cheaper than their usual console price this time around. It all fits into their "appealing to the non-gamer" strategy. They're cutting some horsepower to appeal to people who don't want to spend so much for a game system. I mean, Nintendo could probably release the Rev for $400 and we would all eventually get it, but why the hell would someone who hardly or never plays games buy it? If Nintendo wants the price down significantly then they have to cut some power. But knowing Nintendo, they will give the Rev as much power as they can squeeze out of their pricing.

So no, I don't think it will be a rehashed Gamecube, but I believe it will take some damage in the graphics department. Once again though, Nintendo will make it as good looking as it can be with all of their efforts so I dont think theres anything to worry about.

Just watch...Rev at $100 - $150
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RE:My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2005, 12:32:22 PM »
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You guys all make valid points too, but what if, just IF, it's all smoke and mirrors?  
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RE: My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2005, 12:42:20 PM »
What IF the Rev is actually a PS3 attachment!? That would make sense about them releasing at the same time!

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RE: My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2005, 10:40:43 PM »
Whatever it is, I think the DS is definitely proof of strategy for the Revolution. Yamauchi said that Nintendo lifeline would ride on the success of the NDS, and successful it was. The Revolution does not need to have tricked out graphics, it just needs to have good graphics, and we already know for example, that the Gamecube has good graphics so we can be assured that the Revolution will have comparable graphics to the other consoles (since those other consoles still don't have anything that comes as strong as the PC video cards anyways). As long as the Revolution gives you noticiably better graphics, thats good enough. As said by Iwata, there will be an upgrade, but it won't be massive. All you need is an architechture that plays games efficiently and can support the demands of next generation AI processing for a good challenge. The real meat of the system is in the interface. Just like the DS, the interface is what hooked on many developers. Sure, Nintendo could have made an upgrade to the GBA, and released a GBA2 that was just a portable Gamecube and sold it for $300+, and if it were to go up against, the PSP, Nintendo would probably loose. Instead, the DS's plays 3D games and performs well. Its no PSP level graphics, but thats not what matters. In having created a peice of hardware that reminded all the developers about what making games is all about, the developers have jumped onto the DS for the creative opportunities, and even if all the Sony fanboys outnumber the Nintendo fans, the NDS will simply crush their dreams because the developers won't be making as much for the PSP. With an already existing Nintendo fanbase, the developer's choice was reaffirmed, and eventually, those Sony fanboys will realize their PSP is nothing better than a half baked media player, and internet browser and dump it.

This same strategy will help the Revolution. Same kind of strategy in the design of hardware. A definite upgrade of hardware, but as people who build, built, or have bought custom computers, the price of technology is climbs unproportionately after you get to a certain level and reach the upper levels of avaliable tech. So there exist a certain level of technology where you are comfortable with, and with which will play games well, have good graphics, etc, but not cost buckets of money like the top of the line Alienware PC system. Whats important is that the Revolution has already gained the applaud of just about every 3rd party developer out there, having again reminded them of what making games is really about, and the creative possibilities of having both a unique input system, as well as a conventional controller. Again, I think that once the 3rd parties latch on to here, the same strategy will play out as with the DS vs PSP.

Whether its just an upgrade or completely new console... its not that important. The controller component of the Revolution is probably many times more crutial than any technical detail - rest assured that the Revolution will definitely be several times stronger than the Gamecube already.  

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RE: My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2005, 01:08:33 PM »
That may be true, but I am not so sure, you have to consider that the console market is a whole different beast from handhelds.  Yes the rev is going to be way cheaper, but with a home console I think some people care about the graphics more than a handheld because the home console is usually the primary one, so they may be willing to spend the extra if they want graphics.  Also, Nintendo has had control of the handheld market for a LONG time, thats not exactly true with the console market.  With the PSP sony had to get a whole new market going, They already have the market with the playstation and xbox.

I think that the way Strain put it may turn out to be true, but its too early to early to use the DS is beating the PSP, so innovation and price wins argument on the console wars.

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RE: My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2005, 05:36:48 PM »
My take is that if Nintendo plays its cards right, it will set up for both MS and Sony the same failure conditions that dethroned Nintendo in the N64 era. Remember, the PSX came into the foray with nothing, and took down Nintendo just like that. Well, not just like that, since Nintendo really didn't loose any market, but it caused them not to gain any and deprived Nintendo of 3rd party support for 2 whole generations.

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RE: My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2005, 10:14:48 PM »
all I know is that I walked away from the xbox360 kiosk at BestBuy very unimpressed (i didnt play PGR3).  I dont see how it the system can benefit me; I dont have an HDTV, and even if I did have one I think high resolution just makes crappy textures more distinct.. my brother (relatively unbiased) claimed that Call of Duty looked more unrealistic because the picture was so clear... all in all I think Microsoft is launching too early and I'll be really aggrivated when they actually are praised whereas Nintendo was chastised for launching an underpowered DS just to beat the PSP to market

(i know that the DS wasn't underpowered just because nintendo wanted to launch it early, but seriously if  they didnt have to worry about the PSP then I'm pretty sure that the DS would have been slight different and had a proper launch)
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RE: My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2005, 05:24:55 PM »
My friend got his tonight....I'll probably hit him up and play some of the games. I see myself as a pretty objective person (owning a gc, xbox, ps2). I like games, no matter who makes them (though Nintendo seems to have the all-time winning streak in quality).

I'll give some impressions afterwards.

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« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2005, 12:53:48 AM »
On a scale of rediculousness this theory takes the cake.  Nintendo cuts corners, but it doesn't deliver a shotty product that is nothing more than something you already own but more expensive.

I'm 100% sure that if Nintendo wanted to make a machine that was more powerful than xbox360 and PS3 they could.  I'm 100% sure that if Nintendo wanted to make a machine that was almost as powerful as the competition and was capable of very similar graphics (think GC in this generation) for a lower price point they could.  Either one of those situations would not help Nintendo.  They would be faced with equal machines with bigger marketing budgets, better word of mouth, and more third party support.  The only thing Nintendo has over the competition in this situation is it's fantastic first party games.

If Nintendo chooses innovation they give themselves more seperation from the competition, plus they don't have to build as powerful of a machine simply for bragging rights.  Now Nintendo has a cheaper product that will deliver something that neither of the other machines can, on top of the fantastic first party games.  Add in the fact that the video game industry is in need for a kick in the pants, and Nintendo realizes that they are just the company to put on their kicking boots.

Complain all you want about the Revolution not being as powerful as the competition, but it's an intelligent move.  It's a risky move, but an intelligent one.

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RE:My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2005, 07:58:07 AM »
Well, in lieu of recent developments in the gaming community, it appears that I am not as far off my rocker as most of you would like.....what say ye now?

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RE:My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2005, 08:23:37 AM »
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Originally posted by: Knoxxville
Well, in lieu of recent developments in the gaming community, it appears that I am not as far off my rocker as most of you would like.....what say ye now?


O_O OMG!!!! you are an insider, you have inside information, all hail Knoxxville!!!

j/k

But assuming that the recent IGN report is actually true, then you have made a very good guess. The same guess that alot of other people have made, but all the rest of us refuse to believe. I still refuse to believe it, but I guess we'll find out for sure in a few months.

I'm crossing my fingers hoping for atleast double the stats that IGN has revealed so far.

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RE: My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #41 on: December 07, 2005, 08:27:54 AM »
That you're still completely wrong?
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RE:My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #42 on: December 07, 2005, 08:48:42 AM »
I think StrainX's latest post here sounds pretty good.

Only thing is, the DS had a lot of Nintendo fan support because of the GBA.  The PSP is Sony's first foray into handheld gaming (not counting the VMU-like Japanese PocketStation).  So Sony was disadvantaged to begin with.

Also, GBAs and PS2s have sold a lot each, I think I heard the numbers are very comparable.  But more people with GBAs are interested in DSes, I'm guessing, than PS2 owners that are interested in PSPs.  (Maybe because the DS can play GBA games but I think its unique features really sell it.)

The Revolution compared to the PS3 may be more interesting to developers like the DS is to the PSP, but I think right now the DS is outselling the PSP and it will probably be a while for the Revolution to outsell the PS3, assuming that it can catch up.

After they launch, I mean.  Right now the PS3 and Rev. have 0 sales (not counting pre-orders).  (So technically they have infinite more sales than each other...)  The PS3 will get a bunch just because of the PS2 owners and them who just blindly follow the market leaders without truly considering the other options available.  So sales-wise, it's an uphill battle.  Yeah, Nintendo's got profits and creativity.  The investors and innovators are happy.  Unfortunately, the typical consumer cares about sales.

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RE:My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #43 on: December 07, 2005, 11:02:42 AM »
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RE: My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #44 on: December 07, 2005, 11:29:12 AM »
Well if were trying to say the Rev wasn't going to be as powerful as the 360 or PS3 and was going to cost less then well we all knew that already.

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RE: My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #45 on: December 07, 2005, 12:04:35 PM »
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The Revolution is a repackaged Gamecube.


Entire new chipset, at least twice as powerful, whole new medium, new controller, new storage method, new functions, and a totally different design.

In what way is that any more a GameCube than any system is its predecessor?

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« Reply #46 on: December 07, 2005, 12:50:26 PM »
Originally posted by IGN:
More Revolution Specs Uncovered

Developers come forward to reveal new performance details on Nintendo's next-generation console.
by Matt Casamassina

December 6, 2005 - Just yesterday IGN Revolution launched with technical details on Nintendo's next-generation console, codenamed Revolution. And today more development sources have come forward with both clarification and even more tech specs. The latest news begins to paint a clearer picture of Nintendo's aim with its next platform.

We cannot stress this enough: Revolution is not being positioned as a competitor to either Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3. Nintendo has instead chosen to design a console that will be very affordable for consumers. For that very reason, say developers in the know, the Big N has opted out of filling the system with a massive supply of expensive RAM.
In yesterday's article, we wrote that Revolution would include 128MBs of RAM, or possibly less. Developers have clarified the makeup based on officially released Nintendo documentation. Revolution will build on GameCube's configuration of 24MBs 1T-SRAM and 16MBs D-RAM (40MBs) by adding an addition 64MBs of 1T-SRAM. The result is a supply of memory in Revolution that totals 104MBs. That number does not consider either the 512MBs of allegedly accessible (but hardly ideal) Flash RAM or the Hollywood GPU's on-board memory, said to be 3MBs by sources.

Revolution's Broadway CPU, developed by IBM, is an extension of the Gekko CPU in GameCube, according to official Nintendo documentation passed to us by software houses. The Hollywood GPU, meanwhile, is believed to be an extension of the Flipper GPU in GameCube. Since developers have not gone hands-on with the GPU, they can only go on Nintendo documentation, which is limited.

Exact clock rates were not disclosed, but one development source we spoke to had this to say of the Revolution CPU and GPU: "Basically, take a GameCube, double the clock rate of the CPU and GPU and you're done."

We presented that description to another informed studio, which clarified that the clock rates may even fall short of doubling those on GameCube.

"The CPU is the same as Gekko with one and a half to two times the performance and improved caching," said a source. "Our guys experimented with it and think they'll be able to get about twice the performance as GameCube."

"It's a gamble for the Big N," said another source. "It's not about horsepower for them -- it's about innovation and gameplay."

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RE: My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #47 on: December 07, 2005, 01:15:15 PM »
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RE: My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #48 on: December 07, 2005, 01:17:57 PM »
Heh...knoxville reminds me of myself and the whole REV controller dibacle.
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RE: My Revolution Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #49 on: December 07, 2005, 01:19:43 PM »
Knoxxville, usually when you respond to a person you disagree with, you make a point that shows them they are wrong, not post random things that don't do anything but further their point. But however you like it.