Author Topic: LOZ: 2005 (Read 687124 times)

Ian Sane · « **Reply #325 on:** January 24, 2005, 11:31:59 AM »

"WRONG...In the ending you clearly see Ganondorf in his human form being locked up within the Sacred Realm"

You're right. I forgot about that. I remember at the time thinking that the Ocarina ending clashes with A Link to the Past. But then Nintendo couldn't even get the freaking Zoras to look the same so I guess I should just accept that they suck at paying attention to story related details in their own games. I know that if I made a game I would know every little detail inside and out and there would be virtually no unexplainable holes.

TMW · « **Reply #326 on:** January 24, 2005, 11:39:04 AM »

Yeah...thats one thing I didn't like about WW, was that it insisted the games were tied together somehow. I liked the fact that the Zelda games had no continuity. The biggest disappointment I had with WW was when I found out it was connected back to OOT.

Alas, since I hardly think Ninty is going to drop the trend now, I think 2k5 will take place after WW...the flood years do not need to be told...that story had it's end with WW. To go back would comprimise the story for the sake of pleasing the audience.

Let it be the true sequel to WW and be little C-e-l-d-a all grown up. Into a bishy Link, but a grown up Link nontheless.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #327 on:** January 24, 2005, 11:49:01 AM »

Meh, I like having the games stick together loosely...Just because there is some connection in the games doesn't mean that it has to be strict...(Just look how loosely they tie as it is)

"But then Nintendo couldn't even get the freaking Zoras to look the same so I guess I should just accept that they suck at paying attention to story related details in their own games."

Ah ah ahhhhh...It's explained in the Oracles (Ages, to be exact) that the River Zora and Ocean Zora(good guys) are two different species...It's clear to me that it's the *gamer* that sucks at paying attention to details...

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #328 on:** January 24, 2005, 12:02:11 PM »

Soras of LAke Hirule did not attacks Lunk b/c they lik him. But then there land is forzend and they hat link for not ficksing it so they attapt too teh riverz adn shot firesballs at him

Hair theory IS best theory

Ian Sane · « **Reply #329 on:** January 24, 2005, 12:16:06 PM »

"Ah ah ahhhhh...It's explained in the Oracles (Ages, to be exact) that the River Zora and Ocean Zora(good guys) are two different species"

I haven't beaten Oracle of Ages so I did not know that. I never would have expected them to put a detail like that in one of those games. Still when Ocarina of Time came out no explanation was given which bugged me. It was like suddenly they looked totally different.

Gamefreak · « **Reply #330 on:** January 24, 2005, 03:07:54 PM »

Oh jeez. Okay, the Triforce of Power enables Ganondorf to turn into Ganon. That doesn't mean he can't be Ganondorf as well. People think (and this is exclusable) that Link kills Ganondorf, then Ganon forms out of dead Ganondorf. What really happened is that the Triforce of Power makes its owner immortal (hence Ganon/dorf can never be killed, only sealed away or trapped), but when Link "killed" Ganondorf in Ocarina of Time, that marked when a normal person would have died, but shortly the Triforce of Power revives Ganondorf and he can now use it to turn into Ganon. And its obviously not permanent, when you beat Ganon (link impales him through the brain in the last cutscene), he turns back into his human form as Zelda and co are sealing him away. Anyway, so the only uncertainty is if Ganondorf can switch between forms at will. Probably not, or he'd have done it in Wind Waker (or maybe the devs were lazy), so it seems the transformation must be triggered by something, such as the severe beatdown administered by link or the anger and humiliation of being beaten by a kid.

norebonomis · « **Reply #331 on:** January 24, 2005, 04:43:23 PM »

::releases a bombchu::

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #332 on:** January 24, 2005, 05:26:57 PM »

Probably not, or he'd have done it in Wind Waker (or maybe the devs were lazy)

Ganondorf's power to turn into Ganon is given by the Triforce itself! The reason he couldn't turn into Ganon in WW is because the Triforce had already been taken away from him...

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #333 on:** January 24, 2005, 05:56:25 PM »

Yup, when you fought him, he was 400lb of AAA Gerudo fat and muscle. Pig magick need not apply when it comes to whooping ass with two giant sticks.

norebonomis · « **Reply #334 on:** January 25, 2005, 01:11:44 AM »

how did gannon not have the triforce of power in WW. i'm confused. zelda had the triforce of wisdom. link had to find the pieces for the triforce of courage... if gannon didn't have the triforce of power where was it? ::looks around:: i so want to replay windwaker... but i get to the point where i have to sail back and forth to awaken medli and makar. and i just get bored playing it again...

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #335 on:** January 25, 2005, 02:18:47 AM »

He had all the pieces in his grasp but the King of Hyrule was able to claim it before he could use it...

Balrog · « **Reply #336 on:** January 25, 2005, 05:18:09 AM »

So Ganondorf is DEAD!!!.

He no longer holds the Triforce of Power when Link killed him in WW so he can't be revived by any way.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #337 on:** January 25, 2005, 06:29:59 AM »

It seems that way. He could theoretically be revived by an outside force that acquired part of the Triforce (though I'm unsure of what their motive would be), in which case I'd expect one of them to be the final boss and the other to be the final final boss (similar to puppet Ganon, then fighting Ganondorf). I'd personally prefer if Ganondorf stayed dead, but I do see him coming back eventually (hopefully with a cool cinematic sequence of his stone body underwater, covered in barnacles and other sea life, breaking loose with bubbles and lights and yay. I half want them to bring him back just for a cool cinema like that

).

Personally I like to see new villains. Paper Mario 2 was awesome in that respect (whereas Sunshine, in the end, disappointed), and Vaati has been a breath of fresh air. I'm interested in seeing what they'll do for the upcoming Zelda game.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #338 on:** January 25, 2005, 06:39:41 AM »

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Originally posted by: Balrog
So Ganondorf is DEAD!!!.

He no longer holds the Triforce of Power when Link killed him in WW so he can't be revived by any way.

Hey, the Master Sword can't be stuck in his head forever...

couchmonkey · « **Reply #339 on:** January 25, 2005, 08:27:18 AM »

Well, Ganon definitely has to come back somehow, because otherwise the earlier games in the series could never happen! Of course, then you can just go back and use the old "there is no real timeline in the Zelda universe".

It seems to me that Nintendo never concerned itself too much with how Ganon returns to life from one game to the next, at least until Wind Waker came out. He's arguably dead at the end of A Link to the Past and The Legend of Zelda, so how does he "come back" in whichever game you deem to be later chronologically?

I'd really like to see the next game explain what happens to Hyrule between the Wind Waker and the later games in the series, but I'm not so keen on the idea of it being the same Link, because for some reason the conflicting art styles make it hard for me to accept that it's the same character.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #340 on:** January 25, 2005, 08:45:31 AM »

"He's arguably dead at the end of A Link to the Past and The Legend of Zelda, so how does he "come back" in whichever game you deem to be later chronologically?"

Sounds like you wanted an answer...

In the Oracles you see that it doesn't take all that much to bring Ganon back to life...And in AoL the story was that Link's blood was needed to bring him back...

but I'm not so keen on the idea of it being the same Link, because for some reason the conflicting art styles make it hard for me to accept that it's the same character.

I think it's an excellent idea...As many have already realized, the world through a child's eyes is obviously going to be different than that of a more hardened teen who has already experienced the horrors of the world...

I'm taking names in this thread...

MysticGohan24 · « **Reply #341 on:** January 25, 2005, 08:45:49 AM »

Heh, same here. But bill insists it's WW Link.... heh we'll see

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #342 on:** January 25, 2005, 08:47:04 AM »

IT'S OCARINA LINK BECAUSE OF GRAPHICX!

MysticGohan24 · « **Reply #343 on:** January 25, 2005, 09:00:32 AM »

Bill is so in denial

I didn't menton OOT's Link, But was going with Couchmonkey on the last page lol.

We'll see who's right

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #344 on:** January 25, 2005, 09:52:28 AM »

I think that it being Wind Waker Link is completely possible, but it won't necessarily be the case. I'm not really concerned as to which Link it is, myself.

I'd forgot about the Master Sword being lodged in his head

I think it would be cool if you pulled the sword out in one game, releasing him, and fought him at that moment (while he was weak, just a normal boss or miniboss). He'd flee, and maybe be the primary villain in the game after that.

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #345 on:** January 25, 2005, 10:04:40 AM »

Meh. I've had enough of Ganon and dorf.

I want to see Vaati in 3D... now that would be pretty cool.

Or maybe Vaati and Ganon could combine their powers and become a supervillian for the rest of the series.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #346 on:** January 25, 2005, 10:09:17 AM »

Or maybe Vaati and Ganon could combine their powers and become a supervillian for the rest of the series.

Vaati really isn't all he's cracked up to be...Play both Minish Cap and Four Swords Adventures to see why this wouldn't work much at all...

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #347 on:** January 25, 2005, 10:13:33 AM »

"Play both Minish Cap and Four Swords Adventures to see why this wouldn't work much at all..."

Haven't finished Minish Cap yet, but four swords Vaati would be fine if they made him stronger and more ominous.

Caterkiller · « **Reply #348 on:** January 25, 2005, 10:22:59 AM »

For the folks out there who don't think the games connect at all, does anyone remember when Miyamoto explained that there is more than one Link? And they like to restart the story over and over? But also keep in mind that WW explains that every so often Evil emerges and then a Hero named Link comes along to destroy it. The stories connect, Nintendo's reason is that they are different people in different times, hundreds of years later. The King of Red Lions said that the WW Link has no connection with OoT Link.

I want to point out one more thing about how the original LoZ connects all the way up to WW.

LoZ - 1st Link/Zelda
Loz II - 1st Link/Zelda

ALTTP - 2nd Link/Zelda

OoT - 3rd Link/Zelda
MM - 3rd Link/with cameo of Zelda

WW - 4th Link/Zelda
And I say the fourth because befor Zelda is revieled, her name is TETRA, and if you look it up it means 4. As in the 4th reincarnation.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #349 on:** January 25, 2005, 10:55:10 AM »

You are forgetting Oracle Link, as well as Minish Cap Link and Four Swords Link...

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