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Offline Ian Sane

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RE: E3 Thoughts
« Reply #50 on: May 15, 2004, 09:23:03 AM »
Jak is going to fall into the trilogy curse.  Like Crash and Sypro no one is going to give a sh!t about it by the next console generation.

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« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2004, 12:51:36 PM »
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I have to disagree with you on Sly and Jak. They are both awsome games. I wont comment on the rest because I havent played them. Also Jak is intended to be a trilogy so a 3 games on the same console o.k with it.


Sly is pretty good. Jak sucked. Sucked hard. And I really can't believe you just said three Jaks in three years is OK, what a hypocrite. OOoo it is supposed to be a trilogy. What the hell does that matter? It's still three games on one console in less than four years.  It isn't as if the story even warrants three games, and the tired gameplay definitely does not.

Your entire foundation just crumbled, you can't piss and moan about Metroid or VJ and then in the same breath praise rubbish like Jak and grant it special amnesty.


Well then lets all curse LOTR for having a new movie come out 1 per year. You see the game is intended to be like Phantasy Star. Although its not o.k to have 3 games in 3 years BUT Jak 2 took Jak in a different direction. I mean it has guns and cars. Im not sure bout Jak 3 but Jak 2 took Jak 1 into a different direction.
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« Reply #52 on: May 15, 2004, 01:02:38 PM »
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Well then lets all curse LOTR for having a new movie come out 1 per year. You see the game is intended to be like Phantasy Star. Although its not o.k to have 3 games in 3 years BUT Jak 2 took Jak in a different direction. I mean it has guns and cars. Im not sure bout Jak 3 but Jak 2 took Jak 1 into a different direction.


The biggest difference between Jak and Daxter and Jak II was the title change- the "mature" style was superficial, and although the gameplay was still very good, I find it odd that people criticize Nintendo for releasing a healthy amount of sequels but embrace companies like Sony that do the same thing. Your analogy to Lord of the Rings was pointless as well- they're two entirely different cases.

Koopa Troopa summed up my thoughts perfectly with this line:

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« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2004, 02:07:09 PM »

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Well then lets all curse LOTR for having a new movie come out 1 per year.


false statement, LOTOR movies weren't made once per year in sucession, they were all made at once and then broken off into three parts. When The Fellowship of the Ring came out, Return of the King had already been shot.
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« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2004, 08:44:54 PM »
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This is possibly the most asinine argument ever.  The reason?  If Nintendo were to announce only original titles, people would bitch endlessly.  Funny that Nintendo does what the majority of GC owners want, and people bitch, endlessly.


People probably would complain if there were only new games and no Mario, Zelda, Metriod, etc.  However, we aren't saying that Nintendo should have ONLY new games, we are saying that we would like a balance.  I mean, look at E3 from a Cube owners (as in, not DS or GBA owners) perspective - what was the big surprise here?  The style of the new Zelda game (which was a style shown to us 4 years ago)?  Don't get me wrong, I was happy when I saw the trailer, but I wasn't shocked - with all the rumors and the spaceworld demo, the first thought into my head was "finally" not "wow, I wasn't suspecting that."  Look at all the games, how many are new franchises?    10%?  Maybe even 20%?  I don't think anyone is saying that they don't want the franchise characters used, but I do hear people saying maybe less effort should be put into the franchise games and more into stuff that we haven't seen and played over and over already.  Also, it's not like it's franchises that we're used on the other generations but were just recently ported over - Earthbound, Kid Icarus and the like are still MIA.  While I'm glad that Nintendo is using Metroid, Mario and Zelda, I don't think they should be neglecting other franchises and new development while doing so.

To make things more frusterating we've heard a lot of hints and rumors about new and shadowy games in development, which is why every E3 I'm always hoping that there will be several big surprises.  This last E3, I think there was one thing that was moderately surprising (Zelda), and the rest that was interesting but not really unexpected (last big shock I remember was the Capcom 5, even though we already knew about RE4 and Dead Phoenix was cancelled).


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« Reply #55 on: May 16, 2004, 01:31:02 AM »
I thought E3 was great, I loved Nintendo's booth area, I wasted most of my time there.  Well technically i wasted most of my time going to 3 different DS theatre showings.  PSP didnt do anything for me, and after seeing the Nintendo Press Conference video and now knowing that the DS will have a 100ft lan and a wi fi lan ability PSP is screwed.  By the way the Sony rep told me at E3 that the PSP comes out in March 2005 and the Nintendo rep says DS is out this year!

Resident Evil was awesome and so was LOZ and four swords was fun as hell.  It was my first E3 and it was so bad ass thanks to Nintendo.  They shined over the whole show.  And im glad as hell that Nintendo hired regular chicks instead of those slutty ass models, jeez i mean some of those girls were ridiculous.

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« Reply #56 on: May 16, 2004, 04:43:09 PM »
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Originally posted by: joeamis
I agree with almond be light, akdaman1, and Ian Sane (tends to happen on every issue with Ian maybe he's my clone).  For me the games I look forward to the most from E3 for GC are Geist, Dk Jungle Beat, Advance Wars, Starfox, Resident Evil 4, TOS, PM2, and to a lesser extent Zelda.  I have absolutely no interest 0% in MP2, VJ2.  All the games I listed are either original, haven't seen a sequel in many many years, or are a sequel that takes the game in a very new direction.  And I list games that according to impressions need alot of work, but originality is key for me, it's better to have new stuff than recycled ideas.

There is a problem with too many sequels, saturation.  It's what happened to Sonic way back and it caused sales of Sonic games to plummet, become stale in gameplay, and the result was a total abandon of Sonic for a number of years.  That's a single case, another case is of the industry as a whole with saturation.  Innovation and original ideas are what drive the industry (DS), sequels are a major contributor to stagnation and saturation.  Without innovation and original ideas you could see something like the crash of the 80's.  The major problem though is sequels to soon after the last game.

Thank you.  You summed up what I really wanted to say in my last post.

People, I'm not saying sequels are bad, but getting too many of them within a gen. (unless it takes the game in a new direction with new gameplay) is bad, IMO.  I didn't say getting MP2 for GC was bad, but add 2 GBA games and a DS game...........to me that's too much Metroid in like a 2-3 years span.

Of course, I'll just shutup now and not buy the games.

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« Reply #57 on: May 16, 2004, 04:49:26 PM »
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This is possibly the most asinine argument ever. The reason? If Nintendo were to announce only original titles, people would bitch endlessly. Funny that Nintendo does what the majority of GC owners want, and people bitch, endlessly.


Omen, you speak the truth yet again- Nintendo's in a damned if you, damned if you don't situation.  If they do one thing, you guys bitch. If they do the opposite, you guys bitch! Face it- you're impossible to satisfy, so stop complaining about it. It's inevitable, get used to it.  
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« Reply #58 on: May 16, 2004, 08:55:17 PM »
"Nintendo's in a damned if you, damned if you don't situation. If they do one thing, you guys bitch. If they do the opposite, you guys bitch!"

I think that's too black and white.  If Nintendo is doing something I don't really like usually the opposite is not what I want.  I want something in between.  Nobody wants Nintendo to release only original titles just like nobody wants them to just release mature games or online games.  It's a balance that's needed and wanted.  When I see a Nintendo E3 showing I want to see sequels and original titles.  A 60-40 split favouring sequels would work well.  And that wouldn't be that hard to do.  They just have so stop making games that have no creative reason to exist like Mario Party 6 and invent original characters to go with their original ideas instead of throwing Mario, Kirby or Pokemon into every damn game.  They should also encourage developers like Camelot and Hudson to make original games instead of generic Mario titles.  Every chance to create a new property should be acted on and every sequel must have a reason to exist.  That's what Nintendo was like in the past.

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« Reply #59 on: May 16, 2004, 10:11:04 PM »
Perfectly put Ian. Obviously I would always want a sequel. But hopefully on a ratio its 2-1 which would be good.
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« Reply #60 on: May 17, 2004, 03:26:29 AM »
That statement alone was black and white, yes, and I agree with you that I'm a bit tired of seeing the Mario or Donkey Kong license used so much, but admit it- you'd be mad no matter what Nintendo did simply because we'll always find faults with that they do. You come up with nice little ratios now and on paper it all looks good, but you really have no clue. Gamers are impossible to satisfy, and my point is that you should stop complaining about it.  
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« Reply #61 on: May 17, 2004, 04:34:12 AM »
actually I'm quite satisfied mouse clicker Fun games are fun. I do like original games more, but if sequels are fun I don't complain too loudly.
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« Reply #62 on: May 17, 2004, 06:09:57 AM »
Honestly, the last 2D DK platformer was almost 8 years ago, and finally now that Ninty has gotten around to making one it has a new innovative twist that sounds a heck of a lot of fun(not to mention the fact that it's been lauded as one of the best games at E3)

Odama takes pinball to a whole new level with actual strategy as you command your troops to take over the enemy base...Never been done before...

Advance Wars even takes the series in an all-new direction!  And don't give me this bullshit "Dur it's a sequel," because I never heard anyone complaining about Super Mario 64 being a "sequel"...

The same could be said of Fire Emblem...In fact, while Ninty does use the same franchises, they are able to create new and innovative ideas to use them with...Would the games be any different if it didn't star a known Nintendo mascot?  The only change I could see is less sales...So cut the crap on the sequels argument...
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« Reply #63 on: May 17, 2004, 08:09:25 AM »
"you'd be mad no matter what Nintendo did simply because we'll always find faults with that they do."

Not true.  You've just never seen me in a situation where Nintendo was consistently doing everything right.  When they were doing that internet access was obscure.  Plus I was actually quite optimistic about the Cube between Spaceworld 2000 and E3 2001.  I thought the Cube had a lot of potential.  Then they started making lots of decisions that had me saying "hmmm, I'm not sure about that" and then I had the displeasure of seeing my concerns turn into legimate issues.  That sort of negative pattern can wear down a man's patience.  It was around when Super Mario Sunshine's commericial was aired that I started getting a "can't these guys do anything right?" attitude.

I'll agree that no matter what I'm going to be offering criticism but that doesn't mean I'm never satisfied.  Nothing's perfect so I'm always going to be suggesting ways to improve.  That doesn't mean I'm not satisfied.  I'm actually quite satisfied with Nintendo's E3 showing.  It's just after the initial high wore off I noticed a negative trend that if continued could lead to me being dissatisfied.  It's not so much that I've discovered a problem but rather a potential one.