Topic: The Grinder No Longer Wii Exclusive, Scheduled for 2011

[Peachylala]

Modern Warfare Reflex has already reportedly outsold Conduit. This makes me wonder what will happen in the future. If Activision does a good job bringing Modern Warfare 2 or other games to Wii in the next year or so Grinder may very well become mostly irrelevant once 2011 rolls around.

Numbers?

[Stratos]

In the sales thread it was reported that Reflex broke the 500k mark.

Conduit only sold around 350k last I heard.

[Dirk Temporo]

The fact that this game has Vampires makes it far better then L4D

Are you kidding? Vampires were done to death by the early 90s, and now they're just boring. And these things are a classical vampire type anyway, which is pretty much just zombies.

[BlackNMild2k1]

It's a bummer that HVS went from being the great hope for Wii third party support to where we are now where a Wii exclusive is going multiplatform.

Yeah, at least it's on the Wii BUT how good is it going to be on the Wii?  The whole hook of The Conduit was that it was designed specifically for the Wii controls.  If they're making this multiplatform they CAN'T design this specifically for the Wii controls.  It has to be more generic so as to work with all the different consoles.  And since I'm assuming they'll have better visuals in the other versions the Wii will end up the WORST version.  The problem with the Wii is that if you want to go multiplatform with it you can't optimize the controls (ie: you settle for waggle) but the controls is the ONLY thing the Wii has going for it.  By gimping the hardware Nintendo ensured that the Wii would get the worst version of ANY multiplatform game... assuming the Wii gets a version at all.  The Wii is so different that it's really only ideal for exclusives and that's why the third party support SUCKS.

HVS is going to not matter at all on the other consoles.  Why would I waste my time with this when I can play Bioshock, Call of Duty, Halo, Left 4 Dead, Orange Box, etc?  Even a really good FPS has to fight to get noticed and HVS has only made an average FPS that didn't even matter on the FPS-starved Wii.

Ummm.... this game is being built from the ground up on the Wii and the engine it is using was built from the ground up for the Wii and the controls will be for the most part identical to The Conduit (100% customizable), so I have no idea what you are going on about. They are up-porting this to the HD consoles as Wii is the lead console.

As far as control on the HD consoles go, expect this to use Sony Arc and play nearly the same as the Wii version on the PS3. for Natal..... maybe you slash your hand in the air to work your sword or use the second analog stick. Either way, I'm sure all 3 consoles will have options of using a regular controller.

But I agree with the sentiment that HVS is making a mistake by delaying this to port it to HD systems. It might have been a big hit THIS year, but there is no telling what will bury it next year. They should just release the Wii version this year and send the(improved?) ports to the HD systems next year when they are ready.

[Seacor]

Well, this is disappointing news.  I was looking forward to see the Wii hardware pushed even more with another exclusive Wii title from HVS.  Now that their efforts are focused to the HD twins, my interest in The Grinder has fallen a bit.

The Conduit was a very good Wii game and one of the best Wii titles from a "technical standpoint."  Sure, it may not be in the same league as some of the HD twin shooters, but really who cares.  The Conduit was built specifically for the Wii hardware and shows technically what the Wii can do in the hands of a developer with focus and passion.

As a Wii owner with only one console,  I had a great time with The Conduit. Based on what the full package brought to the table, I can safely say it is the best FPS on the Wii.

I am sure the Wii version of Grinder will turn out OK, but will it be the best it could of been?  Does HVS still have passion to make a high quality title on the Wii?  Has the lead development code shifted to on of the HD twins?

I fear the publisher for The Grinder may get in the way and not provide HVS enough time and resources for the Wii development team.  The funding will most likely go to support development of the game on the HD twins.

[Morari]

No great loss here. The Conduit was mediocre at best. The only thing it truly did right was to allow for full customization of the controls.

[cubist]

Looking back, I think HVS gathered too much hype on their titles and suckered Sega into publishing for them.  If they were really competent, I think Nintendo would've invested in them.

[Peachylala]

Looking back, I think HVS gathered too much hype on their titles and suckered Sega into publishing for them.  If they were really competent, I think Nintendo would've invested in them.

This is perfectly valid. HVS hit the nail early in the coffin when they hyped the game. Sega made it worse.

[GoldenPhoenix]

The fact that this game has Vampires makes it far better then L4D

Are you kidding? Vampires were done to death by the early 90s, and now they're just boring. And these things are a classical vampire type anyway, which is pretty much just zombies.

Vampires can never be done to death. Besides a classic vampire is Dracula and he wasn't just a zombie. I don't even care if these the zombiefied vampires, they are still vampires, woohoo.

[KDR_11k]

No great loss here. The Conduit was mediocre at best. The only thing it truly did right was to allow for full customization of the controls.

Yeah, now let them take their "360 level graphics" to the HD consoles... Gonna be fun to watch that massacre. I honestly don't believe they'll make a great game, maybe a decent one but that won't fly on the HD consoles due to the stronger competition.

By the way, one concern about Grinder: L4D is designed for coop. There is no way you're going to get through that game without coop or serious exploiting. Yet The Grinder was shown singleplayer so far. Looks like coop will not be as essential in it, not really competition for L4D.

[NWR_insanolord]

If the game is good and doesn't sell on the Wii it means quality doesn't sell on the Wii. If it's not that good and it sells better on Wii than the HD consoles it means Wii gamers have low standards. If it's not good and it doesn't sell it'll still be used as proof that third party games don't sell on Wii. If it sells better on the HD consoles it means there's no market for FPS games on the Wii. The only way we don't get screwed is if it is good and sells well on the Wii, better than the HD versions, which has about no chance of happening.

[BlackNMild2k1]

You forgot the scenarios of:
It's good, get lots of advertising and sells better on the HD consoles
It's no good, gets lots of advertising and sells better on HD consoles

The only way we don't get screwed is if it is good, get lots of advertising and sells well on the Wii, better than the HD versions, which has about no chance of happening.

[ShyGuy]

Yeah these vampires seemed fully transformed into Were-bats or something.  I guess that makes sense in the context of FPS that throws waves of enemies at you, but smarter human vampires would be a more interesting.

[BlackNMild2k1]

It really looks like the type of B-Horror movie that I would enjoy. and I get to play it instead of just watch.

I hope they have a really good story to go with it and some great character dialog too.

[MegaByte]

FWIW, HVS said that one of their primary influences in the Grinder design was Nosferatu.

[Morari]

Nosferatu's influence only comes through visually, and even then it's pretty vague. Count Orlok was not simply a construct of animal instincts. These vampire seem much more akin to those found in "From Dusk Till Dawn".

[Chozo Ghost]

They look like the Remans from Star Trek Nemesis

[Kairon]

FWIW, HVS said that one of their primary influences in the Grinder design was Nosferatu.

Darn. And here I was hoping they were on team Edward.

[UltimatePartyBear]

I guess this going multiplatform means I don't have to feel bad anymore for not really being interested in it.

[King of Twitch]

How long until third excuse makers begin preemptively porting games?

I see.

[Peachylala]

How long until third excuse makers begin preemptively porting games?

I see.

Petz: Shooterz

[Chozo Ghost]

How long until third excuse makers begin preemptively porting games?

I see.

Petz: On-Railz Shooterz

Fixed.

[Peachylala]

How long until third excuse makers begin preemptively porting games?

I see.

Petz: Guided Shooterz

Fixed.

Fixed again.

[EasyCure]

Posted in error, removed by user.

Message form EasyCure: Silly me, I thought I had something new to post regarding the Wii version of this game.