Topic: Zelda: Does it need to change?

[Bill Aurion]

Because the issue popped up so many freaking times that I played through the game a couple years back just to find that quote so I could save it for future arguments... =)

[Kairon]

So yeah Nintendo would have to start fresh or retcon any game involving the flood out of the series.  But they don't care so I pretty much can't care.  They give me no reason to.

Yeah, and I hope it stays that way. This is a LEGEND, and legends change with each retelling. It shouldn't be tied down to continuity or story or anything concrete like that, Nintendo's ability to reinvent and mutate their games time and time again, coming up with fresh takes to keep the fans entertained, is absolutely dependent on that not being tied down, in my opinion.

[Ian Sane]

I'm sick of correcting this misconception

Well evolution from fish to bird in no more than 999 years still suggests the scientific knowledge of a first grader but I was wrong about 100 years.  To me the problem is really more that Nintendo thought putting a great cataclysm in the middle of the Zelda timeline was a great idea.

After doing five minutes of research apparently the explanation is there are two parallel timelines based on Link's time travel in OoT.  Gee, that's not confusing at all.  And if Link suceeded then why would any timeline where he didn't defeat Ganon exist?

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

=D

Link only succeeded in the 7 yr future.  That GANNON was sealed.

Past GANNON was still running around while Link and Zelda were discovering the joys of playing house.  Those kids got killed.  GANNON was sealed in the Twilight Realm later by the faceless FAIL SAGES.

Makes perfect sense.

=D

[Stogi]

*head explodes*

[Kairon]

=D

Link only succeeded in the 7 yr future.  That GANNON was sealed.

Past GANNON was still running around while Link and Zelda were discovering the joys of playing house.  Those kids got killed.  GANNON was sealed in the Twilight Realm later by the faceless FAIL SAGES.

Makes perfect sense.

=D

Are you trying to get Gannon-banned? &P I keed I keeed.

[Bill Aurion]

Well evolution from fish to bird in no more than 999 years still suggests the scientific knowledge of a first grader but I was wrong about 100 years.  To me the problem is really more that Nintendo thought putting a great cataclysm in the middle of the Zelda timeline was a great idea.

Seems kinda silly to try and attach a real-world theory like evolution and attach it to a videogame where magic exists, don't you think?  You also need to consider that they didn't evolve wings, they are given them by Valoo (the dragon)...

And AT THE MOMENT, yeah, the flood is kind of confusing...But come on, you are acting as if there won't be more games that could fit into that gap Wind Waker left...The Master Sword was left at the bottom of the ocean, and it'll have to be retrieved at some point, for example...But in the end all the throwbacks are for the Zelda fan's pleasure ("Oh hey, I remember that!", etc), so it's really kinda pointless to complain about a "timeline" that may or may not actually exist for the sake of really being a credible timeline...They are games that follow a series of legends (which by definition are "unverifiable stories"), so just enjoy them...

[Halbred]

It actually won't have to be retrieved if Nintendo actually goes forward with a post-Ganondorft storyline (God forbid). Nintendo has a real problem making alternate villains or storylines in their franchises. To wit:

Super Mario games: Bowser, always Bowser (except SMB2, which doesn't count)
Star Fox games: Andross' huge space brain
Zelda: Ganon or Ganondorf
Metroid: Ridley/Space Pirates
Kirby: Dark/Light Matter

Get some new canonical villains, Nintendo!

[Bill Aurion]

It actually won't have to be retrieved if Nintendo actually goes forward with a post-Ganondorft storyline (God forbid). Nintendo has a real problem making alternate villains or storylines in their franchises.

Really?  Zelda has never really had this problem...In fact, it's probably the most shaken-up franchise Ninty has!

Legend of Zelda - Ganon
Adventure of Link - Link's Shadow
Link to the Past - Ganon
Link's Awakening - Nightmare
Ocarina of Time - Ganondorf/Ganon
Oracle of Ages/Seasons - Veran/Onox/Ganon(only in a linked game)
Majora's Mask - Majora
Wind Waker - Ganondorf
Four Swords Adventures - Vaati/Ganon
Minish Cap - Vaati
Twilight Princess - Ganondorf/Ganon
Phantom Hourglass - Bellum

[King of Twitch]

Wii gamers can't remember Wind Waker anyways so might as well start over for TP2: Double the Ply

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Actually Wind Waker will get ported in the new Playable on Wii series.

TP was the "last of its kind" (new zelda) so it obviously means Nintendo has quit making original console Zelda games for good!

Soon we'll get Adventure of Link Playable on Wii with stabbing motionality.

[King of Twitch]

At the very least, some DLC

[Stogi]

I think Zelda needs to change like this song changed the original meelody.

http://www.supload.com/listen?s=CWOR73

It didn't. Instead it added to it something more progressive that new users can easily identify while keeping the core as complex as ever. Still the end product is fresh and enjoyable to old and new alike.

/solicit

I know, I know, but I started this thread so cut me some slack here.