Topic: Metroid Prime: Federation Force Revealed

[ejamer]

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Gameplay itself is like any other co-op console shooter, like Halo or Destiny.

Absolutely do not want this - either as part of the Metroid series or just as a general release, and will not be buying.


Probably the single biggest disappointment of E3 for me.

[Wah]

Halo and Destiny are both great games!

[broodwars]

You have to love how Nintendo just slaps the "Prime" signifier on any Metroid not made in Japan, so they can keep the "Metroid" name "pure". 

[Phil]

You guys should totally sign the petition to cancel this game.

[Oedo]

You guys should totally sign the petition to cancel this game.

Or join the campaign to dislike the YT trailer video into oblivion (2,200 likes vs. 22,000 dislikes at the time of this post). I feel like this reaction is going overboard, but at the same time, they flung rocks at a gigantic beehive by putting the Metroid Prime name on this.

[nickmitch]

Well at least this points heavily to Retro's new game being Metroid Prime 4.  The original Hunters sold worse then then worst selling Prime game, so for Nintendo to make another Hunters, even still letting it keep the name Metroid Prime despite Samus nowhere in site, implies heavily the real deal is being worked on.

Retro Studios no long exists.  It's just a shell company now.

This is the meme for Rare, not Retro Studios. And neither are true.

Rare announced two games today.  Retro hasn't announced a new game in two years.

[Phil]

Well at least this points heavily to Retro's new game being Metroid Prime 4.  The original Hunters sold worse then then worst selling Prime game, so for Nintendo to make another Hunters, even still letting it keep the name Metroid Prime despite Samus nowhere in site, implies heavily the real deal is being worked on.

Retro Studios no long exists.  It's just a shell company now.

This is the meme for Rare, not Retro Studios. And neither are true.

Rare announced two games today.  Retro hasn't announced a new game in two years.

Rare is not Retro. Retro is not Rare. Do you have a point, or do you just like comparing apples to oranges? Durrr. they're both developurs, so dey must be da same!

[nickmitch]

Well at least this points heavily to Retro's new game being Metroid Prime 4.  The original Hunters sold worse then then worst selling Prime game, so for Nintendo to make another Hunters, even still letting it keep the name Metroid Prime despite Samus nowhere in site, implies heavily the real deal is being worked on.

Retro Studios no long exists.  It's just a shell company now.

This is the meme for Rare, not Retro Studios. And neither are true.

Rare announced two games today.  Retro hasn't announced a new game in two years.

Rare is not Retro. Retro is not Rare. Do you have a point, or do you just like comparing apples to oranges? Durrr. they're both developurs, so dey must be da same!

Oranges don't have edible peels, but have much more citric acid.  Apples make up for it in fiber though.

[NWR_insanolord]

You have to love how Nintendo just slaps the "Prime" signifier on any Metroid not made in Japan, so they can keep the "Metroid" name "pure". 

I think it's more the fact that it's in first person.

Well at least this points heavily to Retro's new game being Metroid Prime 4.  The original Hunters sold worse then then worst selling Prime game, so for Nintendo to make another Hunters, even still letting it keep the name Metroid Prime despite Samus nowhere in site, implies heavily the real deal is being worked on.

Retro Studios no long exists.  It's just a shell company now.

This is the meme for Rare, not Retro Studios. And neither are true.

Rare announced two games today.  Retro hasn't announced a new game in two years.

Retro didn't announce their next game today because Nintendo wasn't talking about NX at this show.

[Soren]

Rare announced two games today.  Retro hasn't announced a new game in two years.

Game announcements! They count for something I guess.

This is so stupid.

[broodwars]

You have to love how Nintendo just slaps the "Prime" signifier on any Metroid not made in Japan, so they can keep the "Metroid" name "pure". 

I think it's more the fact that it's in first person.

I'd agree with you if Sakamoto wasn't on the record in interviews saying the "Prime" games are in their own continuity away from the mainline series, IIRC.

[Adrock]

I'd agree with you if Sakamoto wasn't on the record in interviews saying the "Prime" games are in their own continuity away from the mainline series, IIRC.

I don't recall Sakamoto actually saying that. He just tends to ignore the Prime series as a side story. Nintendo still considers them in the same continuity even if they make far more sense as separate entities.

[ejamer]

You guys should totally sign the petition to cancel this game.

Or join the campaign to dislike the YT trailer video into oblivion (2,200 likes vs. 22,000 dislikes at the time of this post). I feel like this reaction is going overboard, but at the same time, they flung rocks at a gigantic beehive by putting the Metroid Prime name on this.

It is kind of stupid to react this way... but how else can fans of Metroid send a message to Nintendo?


Buy the game: indicate that you like what they are offering.  (Not what I want.)
Don't buy the game: indicate that Metroid isn't a viable franchise for more games. (Not what I want.)


Voting with my dollars won't help me get the message to Nintendo that I want a real sequel to Metroid instead of this multiplayer FPS garbage* they are offering.  Fans need to find a voice somehow, and maybe downvoting a YouTube video into oblivion is the best they can come up with.
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*not really garbage, just not a game or genre I'm interested in

[Ian Sane]

So this doesn't look like Metroid, play like Metroid and the main character isn't even present.  That's getting pretty far removed from the source material.

Ah but it does play the same because in Nintendo's mind Metroid Prime and Halo might as well be the same game because they have shooting and it's in a first person view.  That bothers me and was a big reason why Hunters bothered me as well.  I kind of expect a Japanese company to not get the FPS genre but Metroid Prime is something really special and NCL doesn't understand it.  To them it's just this weird foreigner game.  This is the company that tossed away Goldeneye/Perfect Dark and made no effort to replace it.  Except they probably think they did because Metroid Prime is superficially similar if you only look at screenshots and have never played either game.  So they can make this dumb bullshit and think "well this is an FPS, right?  So make it a Metroid Prime game."  Mission accomplished.

There are a lot of games being made these days that are inspired by 2D Metroid.  I get that it's an affordable formula for an indie.  What I would like is more games inspired by Metroid Prime, spiritual successors.  Obviously that needs a more bid budget dev.  I would be all over that because NCL don't know **** about what they have.  They piss Retro away on dumbed down 2D bullshit, throw the Metroid Prime name on any old **** and the creator of Metroid is a George Lucas-style hack.  I don't trust them with this anymore so let's see someone else give that general gameplay a try.

[Adrock]

Ah but it does play the same because in Nintendo's mind Metroid Prime and Halo might as well be the same game because they have shooting and it's in a first person view.  That bothers me and was a big reason why Hunters bothered me as well.  I kind of expect a Japanese company to not get the FPS genre but Metroid Prime is something really special and NCL doesn't understand it.  To them it's just this weird foreigner game.  This is the company that tossed away Goldeneye/Perfect Dark and made no effort to replace it.  Except they probably think they did because Metroid Prime is superficially similar if you only look at screenshots and have never played either game.  So they can make this dumb bullshit and think "well this is an FPS, right?  So make it a Metroid Prime game."  Mission accomplished.

Nintendo doesn't classify Metroid Prime as a first person shooter. It has made it abundantly clear since the change to first person that Metroid Prime is an adventure game so I don't know where you're getting this idea that Nintendo doesn't understand how special Metroid Prime is or what genre it belongs to. It understands. Metroid Prime was made with much hand-holding from Japan. Miyamoto and co understand more than anyone.

Federation Force is a Metroid game for marketing purposes which is my issue with it. I think Nintendo wants a first person shooter, but it didn't believe in the project enough to let it stand on its own. The better solution, one Nintendo has employed many times before, is to cancel it if it doesn't meet certain standards. Spin-offs can work. The team just has to be committed to it. Shoehorning a game into a series is not conducive to making it work. Personally, I think there's potential, but Federation Force is in this weird middle ground. It has all these original ideas yet it just seems like it's being forced into a series it doesn't fit in or belong to.

[Luigi Dude]

My take on Federation Force is Nintendo is working on Prime 4, more then likely what Retro is doing but it's still years away from release.  Since it's been 5 years since the last Metroid game and Prime 4 could still be years away, Nintendo might have felt a spinoff like this would be a nice way to show the fans they're still committed to the Metroid franchise by giving them a different take on the series.

Problem is, they need to announce the real deal before showing a spinoff like this.  If Hyrule Warriors had been revealed with no talk at all about a new real Zelda game, fans would have been furious.  Had Prime 4 been revealed at E3 as well, this game would be viewed a lot better then since Metroid fans would know the game they actually want is coming and more open to getting a different experience on the side.

Of course I wonder if the negative reaction might force Nintendo to come out and actually say they're working on Prime 4.  Kind of like how at the end of E3 2008 with all the negative covered from their conference that year, Miyamoto actually said they were working on a new Pikmin game.



Miyamoto revealed Pikmin on the last day of E3 that year so there's still time for Prime 4.

[Crimm]

Problem is, they need to announce the real deal before showing a spinoff like this.  If Hyrule Warriors had been revealed with no talk at all about a new real Zelda game, fans would have been furious.

They did. They weren't. Hyrule Warriors was announced well before E3. Reaction was largely confusion and amusement. Anyone complaining about the sanctity of Metroid is being myopic in the extreme. Metroid Prime Pinball didn't prevent Prime 3. This is a series where the primary antagonist is a large brain, floating in a vase.

[Soren]

This is a series where the primary antagonist is a large brain, floating in a vase.

But enough about TMNT. Let's get back to Metroid, please.

[Crimm]

He has a robot body. Ambulatory functions of Krang far outstrip those of Mother Brain.

[broodwars]

He has a robot body. Ambulatory functions of Krang far outstrip those of Mother Brain.

Oh really?

[Crimm]

Yes.


And the perk here was baiting someone into mentioning her legs - That dumb idiot built a room with a door to small for her to leave.