Topic: X-Cube Theory

[mjbd]

While nintendo and Microsoft fight it out for second place, Sony just keeps riding the good wave.  You have to wonder sometime, maybe nintendo and microsoft should become equal partners for the next hardware.  It would make sence.  Nintendo can focus more on software, and let microsoft worry about the hardware, with guidance from nintendo of course.  The system would have all area's covered, and is the only way I see either nintendo or microsoft being able to compete head to head with sony in terms of installed userbase.  I dont expect this to happen, and I am not a fan of microsoft to say the least, but forming allies can be a good way to gain success.

[PIAC]

not while i still have a whiney breath left in my ehm... fingers..

they are both good at what they do being seperate, ergh no way dont have them togeather, in theory it could work, but nintendo build their consoles in such a way they know them inside out and can code their games to work best on their consoles.

no-ones run at the top lasts for ever, sony might lose it in a generation or two who knows, microsoft could sit at the top after that for a bit, only to be taken by ATARI! (having made alot of money ... somehow) etc, nintendo has had their time in the sun for the time being, sony is having theirs now, luckily nintendo is still doing strong despite not being userbase leader and probably will return to #1 in a few generations time.

[The Omen]

as long as Nintendo keeps making the most money, they are not in need of a 2nd party who will lose money hand over fist..

[BlkPaladin]

I don't see this as working, because neither want to play second fiddle to no  one.

[AgentSeven]

Omen's right Nintendo is making the most money on games and consoles, so in my opinion, they are the reall winners.

ps.  Im sure you read the article about Microsoft and Nintendo's un-official partnership over at www.gamerfeed.com
Well, let's just say this, although they may never make a console together, they are in fact working together to destroy the evil forces of sony.  The article mentions that M$ employees were seen in the Nintendo booth at E3.  This is true, I saw them hanging out with folks from Nintendo for all three days!  Also the article points out that both Microsoft and Nintendo's American headquarters are practically next door, and that employees from both companies are socially active together.  This is also true.  I went to a couple of after E3 parties, and what did I see?  Nintendo and M$ staff getting drunk together, lol.

I can guarantee that the ps3 won't be the market leader in the next round.  Nintendo wants to make consoles and Microsoft wants to steal sony's dream of making the ultimate all in one box.  They are a perfect compliment for each other.

[BlkPaladin]

Let's just hope that neither Nintendo or Microsoft is doning anything that may be considered illegal. But then again, Microsoft seems to be able to squirm out of anything.

[Pikkcuber]

I dont see how microsoft and nintendo people talking are illegal.  It's very possible that nintendo people are friends with microsoft people(by people im talking about the people at nintendo and microsoft of america, not shiggy and bill.G).  But sure i would like to see this happen microsoft would have to relaze that they suck at making games and hand most of the power over to nintendo.  But this wont work, not yet until things get bad.  Lets say microsoft and sega join and start really cleaning up and nintendo cant strike gold on there games(which most likely wont happen), then they might team up.  But now there's so much seperating both parties apart.  for 1 microsoft wants there console to be more like a home entertainment system with a fully functional computer and stuff, while nintendo is focusing on just a gaming system.  Microsoft is going all out on online play, nintendo is not even touching online play.Nintendo is living off franchises like pokemon,mario,zelda,and metroid.  While microsoft is turning 100% of there attention to shooters.  BUt they all have one thing in common they want sony down.  The worst case scenario in the business would be 1 company (or 2 joined together) having all of the consoles on the market, I'd say with 3 consoles were doing pretty good, competiton is good, but theres no competiton with sony right now, though there should be because they have alot of titles worth crap, that are selling better than great nintendo master pieces.  

[BlkPaladin]

Talk isn't illegal. But when two companies have conferences on how to take down another company that is illegal.

[ThePerm]

is it? Thats competition... only in an oligopoly would it seem bad.....

[OsonCubed320]

I could see Sony and Nintendo merging into one company because they are both based in Japan and I think the Japanese market would back them up. I would die before I would let Nintendo and Microsoft merge together. Plus I wouldnt trust Microsoft. They would probably take the money and run!

[Ian Sane]

I remember Steve Kent mentioned this exact idea before E3.  His logic was that since Microsoft is weak in Japan and Nintendo is weak in North America that joining forces would allow them to gain market share in both territories.

If you think about it Nintendo and Microsoft actually are a pretty good match because their strengths and weaknesses compliment each other.  MS for the most part sucks at making games and Nintendo is amazing at it.  Nintendo isn't very good at marketing their products in the US and MS is great at that.

If they joined forces here's how I would split stuff up:
-Nintendo designs the hardware.  They've traditionally been very good at that sort of thing and they work best when they know the hardware inside and out.  They also are WAY better at designing controllers.  MS gets to include some of their own requirements like a harddrive but Nintendo designs the actual machine.
-Nintendo designs the packaging and casing for the Japanese machine, MS does the same with the American model.  Both companies are way better at appealing to their native markets.  The controller however is the same for ALL markets.
-MS handles the online service for the machine because they, you know, already have one and Nintendo doesn't.
-Either company can make whatever title they want for the console.  Each company publishes their own titles for the X-Cube.  Nintendo publishes all Gameboy games and Microsoft publishes all PC games.
-Each company handles the promotion and advertising for their native country.

In theory it meshes pretty well but it would NEVER work in the real world.  Both companies do things too differently from each other and both are generally pretty anal about sharing their success with anyone else.  Issues like which games get released for each market and how the licencing fees are split would result in arguements between the two companies.  Plus Nintendo is just too STUBBORN to ever get help from another company.  It just wouldn't work.

[NintendoFanGirl]

Why does anyone have to merge?  Why can't there be 3 different consoles.  I use this as my comparison.  You have Toyota, Nissan and Ford.  You don't hear Ford threatening to take over Toyota.  Apparently they live harmoniously in the car world just like Sony, Nintendo and M$ can.  As a hater of everything M$, I don't think they need to take over EVERYTHING, which appears to be there goal in life.

[Mario]

No, i disagree that Microsoft should make the hardware, the GameCube is heaps better designed than the xbox for games. But i do agree that Microsoft and Nintendo would make an EXCELLENT team, Nintendo handles the games, Microsoft handles the advertising.

[GayStation]

i can see people viewing sony as even more of a powerhouse if the "2nd and 3rd" place competition had to "merge together to compete".  
in north american, i can see people claiming nintendo has failed and is now making games for "microsoft's next machine".  

not true, but i can see this mentality being rationalized

[PIAC]

nintendo handles the gameing microsoft handels the money hats ;P

[manunited4eva22]

You know...there is already a thread on this....

[Hostile Creation]

I think Nintendo has better ads, just less of them.  Xbox and PS2 ads are boring or extremely dumb and annoying as Hell.  People that make ads like that should be shot.

[HereticPB]

And this is the 20th topic of this kind. The Gamerfeed thing said they were talking both companies in good spirits. It doesn't mean any conspiracy is happening against Sony. It would be funny and cool if something did happen. It's just funny hearing this then hearing Peter Moore trounce on Nintendo.

HtPB

[Joey]

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ps. Im sure you read the article about Microsoft and Nintendo's un-official partnership over at www.gamerfeed.com
Well, let's just say this, although they may never make a console together, they are in fact working together to destroy the evil forces of sony. The article mentions that M$ employees were seen in the Nintendo booth at E3. This is true, I saw them hanging out with folks from Nintendo for all three days! Also the article points out that both Microsoft and Nintendo's American headquarters are practically next door, and that employees from both companies are socially active together. This is also true. I went to a couple of after E3 parties, and what did I see? Nintendo and M$ staff getting drunk together, lol.

One major problem with that theory is even if NOA wanted to be do this a deal like this would most likley need to be approved by NCL since Japan is the home of Nintendo. There has been no indication that NCL and Microsoft have been in talks. The only way NOA could do this themselves wouod be to break up with NCL and I doubt that would happen. In fact, I would be shocked.

[oohhboy]

NOA is a fully owned subsidry of NCL. So all the above means nothing, unless NCL has being using NOA to cover the talks which in it self would be silly.