Topic: the gameboy to gamecube scam

[mouse_clicker]

Yeah, I know I shoudn't throw out insults (I've even suggested to other the same thing, which makes me a hypocrite), but sometimes (a lot of times, with me), my best points in debates, indeed my best debates, are spawned from all this rage that just builds up and then spouts off at the poor unwitting sould who unleashes. I apologize if I've offended anyone- please realise if I insult you, it's not meant to be personal, just a little cheap shot thrown in (to me, the most entertaining debates are when the debatees throw in little jabs here and there). My mind works a bit different than others- everything comes to me on the fly and I simply put the words on the screen, and things usually only come to me on the fly when someone pisses me off.

[BlackGriffen]

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Originally posted by: theaveng

NOW STOP IT.  Act like a mature adult, not an immature teenager.  People are entitled to express their opinion and NOT be insulted for them.  You should attack ideas, NOT people.

Troy

That's a naive, stinking pile of BS right there. The fact of the matter is, that derision is an often effective rhetorical tool. It can be used to shame the recipient of the derision (much you like you try to do when you insult mouse-clicker above, you didn't simply say "that's irrelevant," you insulted him). It can also be used to alienate the recipient from those who already agree. Even when used for distraction, they can be effective. I'll grant that when overused they tend to fracture communities, but their complete absence makes conversation sterile and boring.

Welcome to the real world, a place where you do not have a right to not be offended, crybaby. *jabs ribs*

BlackGriffen

[mouse_clicker]

"but their complete absence makes conversation sterile and boring."

That was exactly the point of my above post, in so many words (mostly less). Without little insults at eachother, debating can be like between two robotes- completely uninteresting and boring, and when a debate is boring, the debatees tend to not get into as much as they might if they were not only fighting for their stance, but also for their dignity. A heated debate generally brings out the best in both sides and helps drive home good points. Sure, like Griffen pointed out, it's best when used in moderation, but it shouldn't be eliminated altogether (I swear to god I had the exact opposite stance not 2 months ago- shows how fast opinions can change ).

[Hostile Creation]

Yeah, insults are cool

Be cool like us

[popkorn1]

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Originally posted by: PIAC
blimey, this thread went from almost resurecting its self into being constructive, then took a nosedive for the worse. didn't you heed bloodworth's warning strell? atleast thecubedcanuck was man or woman (not sure) enough to admit he was wrong (about the insults) which earns my respect.

also thinking about it more, i can definatly see where your coming from cubed, and yes in theory your being ripped off due to the fact you paid the same amount for metroid prime/the wind waker as joe gameboy user yet cant access everything these games have to offer. do you have any friends that have a copy of metroid fusion? if so you could drag them round to your place and atleast have a go of the bonus'

Actually - Joe Gameboy User paid more money to access the features.  Sure, same price for Metroid.  But you're forgetting the GBA and the Link cable were also purchased.  And come on, guys.. some of you are acting like its an $80 investment JUST to get Tingle.  YOU GET A WHOLE NEW SYSTEM!  Crimeny.  I don't know how much simpler it can get:

You do Nintendo a favor by buying both systems, they do you a favor by hooking you up with UNNECESSARY extras.  

It's really a great deal.  You don't have to buy a $20 accessory (like a custom controller) just to play the $50 game you bought, no.. the game works as functional as could be.  But if you've invested in both systems?It's extra.  Extra credit.  Bonus.  Gift.  Score.  It's "thanks for buying both systems!"

And my God... you're acting like them including NES Metroid is a BAD thing if you don't have the link.  Would you rather have them not include it at all, then nobody could get it??  Because they probably wouldn't have included it if the link feature was never thought up!!   I've never seen so many people crave NES Metroid before.  GO BUY IT.

Done.  How does this not make perfect, agreeable sense, cubed?  Refresh your argument while reflecting on what everyone else has added to it.  You haven't said much about your side since your initial post.

[Strell]

Holy hell.  BlackGriffen is my hero.  1) Because he's not a wuss.  2) Because you knows the truth.  3) Because I agree with him wholeheartedly.

People would do good to learn what me and him know.

[Mercury Crusader]

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Originally posted by: Strell

Dafunkk, you got pics on how to do that?  I have me NES set up, but it's a pain to get the carts to work.

I know I'm not "Dafunkk," but I know where he did get the whole NES prying of the connections thing from, or I'm guessing he did get it from this place:

ClassicGaming.com - Repairing Your NES

I keep routine maintenance on my NES, and it works perfectly after fourteen years.  I recently did use that article's handy tip, and as long as you don't use too much force on the connections, you should be fine.  I've heard of some guys overdoing it and wrecking their NES altogether.  Then again, this ain't an NES message board, so...

I own the GBA and GC and that little link dealie.  With games like Metroid Prime, although NES Metroid is a nice bonus, it should've been unlockable without the GBA.  However, with games like The Wind Waker, the Tingle Tuner thing was made to be done with a seperate screen, and while it made some areas easier to get through, it wasn't necessary, and I could've easy gone through the game without it at all.  I only used it on one dungeon, and that was it.  Point being, a window of possibilities is open with the linking option, but save a few games, at this point in time, it's gimmicky and not worth the money.  However, I'd like to see some better uses with the link option besides those already presented.

Like it's been said many a time, it's just extras, and nothing more.

[dafunkk12]

Strell:  I guess I could take some pics for the DC repair and post them, but since I'm a lazy slacker, they might not be up for a while.  Just PM and bug me every so often to get me on the job.  I won't be able to do it this week since I'll be stuck at school afterschool taking tests because I'm going out of town for the latter part of the week.  But if you can do without pictures, I learned how to do it from [ this thread ].

[PIAC]

Actually - Joe Gameboy User paid more money to access the features.  Sure, same price for Metroid.  But you're forgetting the GBA and the Link cable were also purchased.  And come on, guys.. some of you are acting like its an $80 investment JUST to get Tingle.  YOU GET A WHOLE NEW SYSTEM!  Crimeny.  I don't know how much simpler it can get:

You do Nintendo a favor by buying both systems, they do you a favor by hooking you up with UNNECESSARY extras.  

It's really a great deal.  You don't have to buy a $20 accessory (like a custom controller) just to play the $50 game you bought, no.. the game works as functional as could be.  But if you've invested in both systems?It's extra.  Extra credit.  Bonus.  Gift.  Score.  It's "thanks for buying both systems!"

And my God... you're acting like them including NES Metroid is a BAD thing if you don't have the link.  Would you rather have them not include it at all, then nobody could get it??  Because they probably wouldn't have included it if the link feature was never thought up!!   I've never seen so many people crave NES Metroid before.  GO BUY IT.

Done.  How does this not make perfect, agreeable sense, cubed?  Refresh your argument while reflecting on what everyone else has added to it.  You haven't said much about your side since your initial post.

you missed my point. Metroid Prime costs the same for everyone, just people with an GBA and Link cable get to access some features, where as other people dont, i didn't pay any more for Metroid Prime than anyone just because i own a GBA/Link cable, so dont try and make out i did. also, no need to preach to me about getting a link/gba as i allready have one, i said i can see where he is coming from, doesn't mean i agree

[Termin8Anakin]

Is everybody still arguing over this?

[Kellk]

I'm upset because I can't get to the last level in Metroid.  It's on the disk, but I don't have the skill to access it the normal way.   Nintendo should let me get to that level without having to buy a cheat device from another vendor.  Hey, I paid for the game, I should be able to access all of its content!

Or how about this -- I'm upset because I don't have every trophy in SSBM.  I shouldn't have to buy Pikmin to be able to access that trophy.  

Videogames are one of the few things you can buy that don't allow you to access all content from the outset.  In fact, they may be the only things.  With books, you can skip to the last page if you want.  Some CD's have hidden tracks, but it's easy enough to find them if you look for them.  If you buy a car, nobody's gonna stop you from examining the fuel injection assembly.  On the other hand, huge sections of games are never consumed simply because the user doesn't have the ability to view them.  It's just like locking the engine to your car until you reached 50,000 miles, or maybe not allowing a book's page to be turned until you had read the previous one.  
Yet we all accept and live with these limitations, so it seems a bit much to get all upset about bonus features tied to secondary products.  
I certainly don't have a solution to this, and frankly, I'm not sure it's even a problem.  I'm sympathetic to the argument that since you bought the disk, you should have access to all of the content on it, but the realities of games, and how they are presented, preclude this ability (that is for those games that don't have a full gamut of cheat codes).  

Now as for the bonus content tied to the GBA, one might give the argument that the content the GBA unlocks is not entirely contained on the disk itself.  Some of that code is tied up within the GBA, or the respective cartridge.  So arguably, since the bonus content is not "complete" on the disk, there's no reason to be allowed to access it.  An analogy to this might be the PTO on a tractor:  by itself, it's just a spinny thing on the back of the chassis that doesn't do anything at all by itself, but combine it with an attachment, like say a thresher, and now you can go hay that field.  Certainly, the tractor has the ability to mow that field, but you need to buy the attachment to "unlock" that ability.  

[Ian Sane]

This is in response to a post from a couple pages back where the poster said "What really pisses me off is that the GBA Player won't be able to hook up the two games."

That's a pretty unrealistic request.  The GB Player turns your Gamecube into a GBA.  Therefore the console can act as either a Cube or a GBA.  It's impossible for it to act as both at the same time.  Most GBA extras require a second screen which realistically can't be recreated if both the Cube and GBA, as they are in this case, share the same screen and hardware.  Argueably they could make a screen inside a screen feature but that would be a lot of unnecessary work for Nintendo to do just to please people who don't want to buy a GBA.  You can't expect Nintendo to go out of their way to encourage people to NOT buy their products.

As for this whole insults conversation here's my take on it.  Something like "your opinion is flawed because..." is a perfectly acceptable statement in a debate because it's valid to the arguement.  The person that the statement is addressed to might take it as an insult but it's not really meant as one so it's not really rude or anything.  Saying something like "yeah well you're fat and ugly" isn't an acceptable statement in a debate because it likely has nothing to do with the arguement and it is meant as an insult.  I think the problem is that political correctness has run so rampant that people choose to interpret any suggestion that they're wrong as a personal attack.  It's incredibly convienent to accuse any criticism as a personal insult and thus believe you are always right.

[ThePerm]

you could borrow these thigns from freinds or rent them.....you dont have to buy didly squat. I have a link cable and a gba..i got the gba because i wanted one forever so i could play snes games in the palm of my hands. The link cable is cheap. With animal crossing i can edit my paterns without having to pay bells or i can download nes games to my gba(their playble in animal crossing as well without the gba). With perfect dark and the transfer pack there was this feature that allowed you to unloack special stuff in the game only by having the gbc game and putting it in the transfer pack when you played pd...you know what i never used it and it never bothered me....3 years later....its still not bothering me. For metroid im going to borrow his metroid fusion and get metroid 1 and the suit. For zelda i already had a gba and a link cable...cool tingle....
tingle doesnt do much for you people. He can bomb things for you like pirate ships or hard to reach places(although once you get bombs he becomes pretty useless) he can also protect your ass with the tingle sheild which makes you look like your a super saiyen(you glow and shit...looks cool.) Anywyas you dont need these features to beat the game....which is why you shouldnt complain. If you did need them then there would be reason, but since the game is still there and completable there is unfounded logic. That which doesn't hurt you isn't viable for complaint.

"I have to say I am seriously pissed at all these new games Nintendo is releasing that only give you certain options if you are connected to a gameboy."

this isnt really unlocking options this is kindof a free bonus for those who have a gameboy...you cant use the tingle tuner without a gameboy. It wouldnt work.....this is more akin to being able to see your stats on a dreamcast vmu then anything...there are no expensive lcd memory cards so they use gba instead.

" bought a gamecube, and I buy games for the gamecube, I should not have to buy a handheld unit in order to fully use what I have already purchased, the stupid tingle tuner and original metroid you can open are perfect examples. have no desire at all to own or play a handheld unit, I barely have enough time to play the freaking console. If nintendo wants to have these things in thier games, so be it, but at least give poeple who dont want to buy a GBA another way to open and use these options."

metroid could be unlockable thorugh the game yes....but meh...like i saidyou could borrow a freidns cable and metroid...no charge to you. also like i said the tingle tuner would be impossible otherwise.

"this is honestly a stunt that Microsoft would pull and everyone would be screaming monopoly. I dont see this as any differant and including IE with the Windows disk."

This is nothing like microsoft giving away IE....certainly if nintendo gave away free metroid with zelda then it would be similar...but their not trying to put anyone out of business with including metroid1 in prime. there is a difference between computer applications where the competition gets decimated because their competitior released software at a better price(free)...this is like buying two packs of cerial and taking the proofs of purchase and sending them in to get a disney bobblehead. There is onyl one metroid..there couldnt be any other so their not competing with anyone...if someone else made a metorid the way they would get rid of them is by suing them for copyright infringement.

"Give me a choice Nintendo, dont force me to buy hardware I simply dont want. " Thier not forcing you to do anything. If they came in your hous and had a gun to your head and said "Buy a Fucking Gameboy Bitch!" Then they would be forcing you. right now they are just giving you choices.

i bet next you'll complain about the gameboy player. "it should have been there to start...i should have had my gamecube with the ability to play gmaeboy games from the start....this is of coarse even though it would be more expensive and nto everyone wants the features...still it should have been there from the start...."

[Bloodworth]

You know what?  Every angle of this discussion has been covered I think, and with it's fair share of flaming too.  Technically, I could ban Strell, but since I wasn't around and things have sinced calmed down, I'll let it go.  Anyways, I'm shutting this down.  Nothing left for anyone to say.