Author Topic: Go Paul Go! (An WWDC OSX commentary) (Read 5599 times)

Ceric · « **on:** August 11, 2006, 08:12:18 AM »

Ok, I don't want to reignite a holy war again but... Paul Thurrott's shares a lot of my opinions on this subject.

That being said I like to add one thing.

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6. Core Animation

You know that sounds a lot like the Windows Presentation Foundation in Vista. What Microsoft is trying to do with Vista to make ups look nicer so programmers can be programmers and designers can make the pretty effects and just a better looking presentation. Go figure, Apple taking credit for a long announced feature of Vista again.
(I was going to do some mad linking to demos and like but I couldn't find the one I wanted where they did all this crazy stuff with WPF.)

BigJim · « **Reply #1 on:** August 11, 2006, 12:22:02 PM »

I mostly agree with Thurrott's article. For every valid point Apple makes about "feature theft" they don't seem to censor themselves from going too far. If they actually believe what they say, then they seem to think they hold an idea monopoly. Whatever propaganda it takes to rally the troops, I guess.

Another thing I thought was interesting was that they mentioned that there are about 20 million "active OSX users." The same number of "active Mac users" Steve Jobs touted when he first came back to Apple in 1997. The fact that they haven't even grown at all with the market means they've gone backwards in marketshare -- way back. Ugh.

Well, despite their arrogance Apple is still pretty important to the industry. They're pushing things forward to some degree and it's admirable and necessary.

But jeez, Steve Jobs looked like Hell. I hope his health is doing ok.

Ceric · « **Reply #2 on:** August 11, 2006, 01:02:04 PM »

Vistas coming, an actual iPod competitor is coming, and he didn't have enough good stuff to not use Vista ripping fill in liberally. It can add up. He should go on a vacation. I also thought it was funny how Paul uses Apple in an earlier article when he talks about the WGA fiasco and Apple is taking a more laid back approach to piracy then MS. Lets face it, Apple makes money off the Hardware MS doesn't. MS Software is it's life for the most part. If you don't buy the next OSX does it hurt Apple like it would MS? Nope, because they got your money with the initial purchase. Though those service packs for $129 a pop really are nice. Going to stop there.

Stimutacs Addict · « **Reply #3 on:** August 12, 2006, 06:29:43 PM »

meh.. i bought my ibook G4 last year and friggin love it... It's quiet, has good battery life, is perfect for everything I do (private browsing, college notes/papers, gaming news), and doesn't nag me about the same mundane stuff that Windows has problems with. plus, not worrying about many viruses is a load off my back..

granted, I hate Apple's attitude about sht.. their friggin elitists; the employees at Apple stores piss me off (geniuses? a wii bit pretentious), the way quicktime auto-updates from Pro to a lesser .version just annoys me to hell.

and then of course those new Macbooks are out and look really nice and thin compared to my 14 inch iBook... but oh well.

I love OSX. I am beginning to hate Apple. But my next computer will definitely not be windows based. AARGH!!

ps. I forgot to mention that I rarely ever have to restart on this operating system,,,, that has to be the biggest plus

Ceric · « **Reply #4 on:** August 13, 2006, 09:54:22 AM »

All thanks to work that wasn't actually done by Apple.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #5 on:** August 13, 2006, 10:09:26 AM »

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Originally posted by: BigJim
But jeez, Steve Jobs looked like Hell. I hope his health is doing ok.

Probably got hit by a flying chair.

Artimus · « **Reply #6 on:** August 13, 2006, 11:09:26 AM »

Heh. I don't care how you cut it, OSX is a far superior OS. There's no two ways about it.

This article is ok (and a couple points are valid) but largely it's full of incorrect distortions and silly bitterness. The Mac vs. PC argument is just SO tired. It bores me to tears.

I use windows, but I won't again. OSX is just a better OS. Windows has advantages, but none of them are OS related.

wandering · « **Reply #7 on:** August 13, 2006, 12:25:58 PM »

Apple is like House, MD. Arrogant jerks, yes, but you can't help but love them, in part because they're so damn good at what they do.

(yes, I just watched an episode of House. Why do you ask?)

Ceric · « **Reply #8 on:** August 13, 2006, 02:12:57 PM »

I just don't like that Apple rips MS for "Stealing" ideas and then goes and steal more. The Mach core was part of NeXT, the foundation of what OSX wasn't originally developed by them. They take advantage of opensource software to make money. They have a reliable operating system because they built an OS on an already proven OS. Lets face it OSX wasn't written from scratch by Apple. Vista on the other hand was written from scratch by MS. Blah... OSX is an ok operating system that suffers from identity crisis at times. To each there own and thats why we have choice.

Artimus · « **Reply #9 on:** August 13, 2006, 02:29:36 PM »

Some of these are humorous because it's clear the guy has never used OS X and thus underestimates the usefulness of them.

For instance the stationary. In outlook express the stationary is built so it has to be attached to a file as a .bmp, bogging it down. In Mail it's a feature of the program so that isn't an issue. But if all you've used is outlook, you wouldn't know that.

I also love how he compares the majorly flawed Windows Search to Apple's far superior version.

Then he critizes the VERY cool new widget features. I guess he just doesn't know how they work in the first place, considering he wouldn't have those in his Microsoft Windows release. And his description of iChat: "Cool, but again, not what you'd call a major OS feature." Uhh...yeah, that's why it's only one of many.

animecyberat · « **Reply #10 on:** August 13, 2006, 04:05:43 PM »

yeah I dont relly like those mac tihings from waht Ive heard but then agian Ive never used them taht much.

wandering · « **Reply #11 on:** August 13, 2006, 04:39:06 PM »

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The Mach core was part of NeXT, the foundation of what OSX wasn't originally developed by them.

But wasn't Steve Jobs behind NeXT?

Artimus · « **Reply #12 on:** August 13, 2006, 04:40:24 PM »

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The Mach core was part of NeXT, the foundation of what OSX wasn't originally developed by them.

But wasn't Steve Jobs behind NeXT?

Yes. After he left Apple the first time he founded NeXT.

OMGZ teh Steve Jobs stealz fromz himselz! :falls:

Athrun Zala · « **Reply #13 on:** August 13, 2006, 09:24:11 PM »

you know, there are already a couple of Holy War topics......

seriously, Other Systems should be renamed Windows vs MacOS =P

Ceric · « **Reply #14 on:** August 14, 2006, 06:57:14 AM »

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Some of these are humorous because it's clear the guy has never used OS X and thus underestimates the usefulness of them.

For instance the stationary. In outlook express the stationary is built so it has to be attached to a file as a .bmp, bogging it down. In Mail it's a feature of the program so that isn't an issue. But if all you've used is outlook, you wouldn't know that.

I also love how he compares the majorly flawed Windows Search to Apple's far superior version.

Then he critizes the VERY cool new widget features. I guess he just doesn't know how they work in the first place, considering he wouldn't have those in his Microsoft Windows release. And his description of iChat: "Cool, but again, not what you'd call a major OS feature." Uhh...yeah, that's why it's only one of many.

lol.
Pick around Paul's site some. You'll notice that he has reviews of most the OSX launches and regularly uses the operating system. I personally use it in the Academic field and don't really like the Look and Feel so much but thats just me. Have you used Windows Search? I have. I've used both Spotlight and Windows Search. I prefer Windows Search in Vista. Why? Because up till now Spotlight wouldn't search my mounted home directories without doing some hidden command line vudu. It's a three step process and even then it doesn't do that great of job. Windows Search in Vista (The one we are talking about.) Did right out of the box in Beta 2. To say I'm excited that Spotlight has finally acheived what I thought it should have done from the get go is an understatement. That's a feature I could use.

Fun factiod. OSX had started being in the works before the Glorious Steve come back. Steve didn't like it but it was to far along to stop so he rolled with it. He didn't like the idea of the Unix base if memory serves.

Widgets were developed by Konfabulator. That's neither here nor there. I rarely find them that useful. I like the ones that give me computer stats like Memory and processor usage but beyond that I'm not to fond of them. The whole Sidebar thing had been in the works before OSX had put in Widgets. Even had a working demo. The feature started more ambitious like everything else in Vista. In fact the whole OS started too ambitious. *Shrug*

The whole NeXT thing was to point out that at least MS is fully developing there OS in house this time. Sort of a reversal. If memory Serves DOS was bought and tweaked, Win95 was based off of DOS, NT Series was a venture with the OS2 people, Vista totally MS. Apple side Mac OS all theres, OSX not fully developed under Apple. Sort of ironic. It's fine if you want to do it that way. As long as everyone who needs to get paid does I don't care. Just give credit were it's due.

Galford · « **Reply #15 on:** August 18, 2006, 06:59:31 AM »

That was a well rounded article about OSX. Jobs bashing MS is him pandering to his base. A LOT of people use Apple based on their hated of MS.

About Stationey in Outlook, I though it used HTML to customize the look of the mail. That can include BMP files. Isn't mail.app doing the same thing?

Here's a little history lesson, did you know the original version of OSX didn't ship with a DVD movie player? Windows has had one since Windows 98.

Ceric · « **Reply #16 on:** August 18, 2006, 10:13:22 AM »

But I thought that the original version of OSX shipped with iMovie. Couldn't it play DVD's? Maybe not. Sort of like how MovieMaker can't.

BigJim · « **Reply #17 on:** August 18, 2006, 05:08:17 PM »

'tis true, I remember people were bitching about no DVD playback.

iMovie makes/edits quicktime vids. It's part of the iLife suite, which didn't come til a bit later. It's separate from the OS.

Galford · « **Reply #18 on:** August 22, 2006, 06:15:58 AM »

Yeah, Movie Maker only does ASF and WMV based content.

I was only trying to point out when Jobs talks about OSX and features, he isn't exactly honest all the time.
Time Machine??? Why am I getting flash backs of Windows System Restore?

Every software manufacturer copy's their conmpetition at some point in time. It's just good business too.

Ceric · « **Reply #19 on:** August 22, 2006, 03:59:57 PM »

Yep.

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Yeah, Movie Maker only does ASF and WMV based content.

WMV... lol
Though I do really like the WMV9 format for encoding Movies. Especially animation.

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Author Topic: Go Paul Go! (An WWDC OSX commentary) (Read 5599 times)