Topic: Can I ask for girl advice, or is that too emo for this forum?

[ShineGet887]

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Originally posted by: JonLeung
Seriously, is Pale going to come around and lock this up?

I couldn't care less what some of you guys think, I've pretty much made up my mind, I just feel like typing this out.

Okay, here's the thing.  I met this girl (let's call her Ada, as in Ada Wong of RE4, because in some ways she looks like her) three and a half years ago when I had just shortly before that been promoted to supervisor at Playdium and she had returned to work after a hiatus of a year or two.  I could bore you with the hokeyness of how when she walked into the room time slowed down to a near-stop, and I really felt like I knew her from somewhere before and yadda yadda yadda.  You get it - I was entranced.  Witty, cute, smart, etc.

Thing is, she had recently started seeing a guy at the time - let's call him Wesker - a few weeks before that, who had actually started work at the same place just a week before (different position though).  Me and Ada got along real well, (I remember one day, not that much later, in fact, she suddenly hugged me for the first time for no apparent reason which really surprised me) and everyone knew that I liked her, even before I did, probably.  Even Wesker wasn't so braindead and he figured this out soon enough too, and he tried to get another girl - let's call her Ashley - to go out with me instead of Ada when he knew we were going to go see Once Upon A Time In Mexico together for her birthday.  Once, Wesker was caught cheating on Ada (apparently I missed a big fight in the crew room since I didn't work that day), and she forgave him the day later.  There were always rumours that Wesker was a "player" and many co-workers thought that Ada would be better off with me, but she stuck by Wesker, even though she said many times that she didn't think she'd ever marry a guy like him.

I quit work there a few months later but I still visited Playdium on Saturdays when I had time since she tended to work then, and of course when I heard that it was closing I made an effort to be there every week.  Even now to the present we're good friends - as good as any of my real-life friends are with me, anyway.  Probably one of my best friends now, even.  We communicate most often online, but because she's always so busy it seems we only actually see each other once every couple months when she's available away from studies and work.  We've gone for coffee multiple times, a few movies (including March of the Penguins...she loves penguins), and even dinner, but she's still with Wesker.

This weekend, Ada, Ashley (who I mentioned above), and one guy (he doesn't need a pseudonym but we can call him Luis) are all coming over to play some Wii.  Then Luis will leave 'cause he can't stay for long, and Ada and Ashley and I will go for dinner at a Japanese restaurant nearby.

I'm wondering if I should tell Ashley to go to the bathroom for like ten minutes so I can tell Ada how I feel.

I want her to know that I like her (DUH, she can't be that oblivious...maybe) but that maybe I'm wasting my time.  If she doesn't like me back, that's fine, and we're mature enough not to let this awkwardness screw up our friendship, since we are good friends, I'd say.  Over three years is unhealthy to infatuate.

I figure that if I can confidently tell her that she means the world to me but that I'm man enough to move on since I'm getting nowhere with her, she might at least appreciate my confidence (which I generally lack and is likely my least appealing quality).  I don't know if she's actually oblivious, or never considered me because I never explicitly told her so she stuck with Wesker even though he's cheated on her more than once supposedly.  I could say that if she ever loses Wesker for whatever reason, but wants some guy, that if she could ever consider me, I'd be the happiest guy in the world, but for now I won't be so monogamous on my crushes since it's a waste of my time and my life.

Is that a good approach?  I'm not saying I'm giving up on her, but I'm telling her I'm not going to bank all my happiness on her any longer since she still hasn't been more than just a friend.  Then she knows but doesn't feel pressured to either increase or decrease our friendship.

Or am I wrong?

YES I'M AN EMO LOSER WHINER VIRGIN SHU'UP.

I hate to be the bad guy of this thread, but give up, it's not worth your time. Why do I say this? Because I've experienced this personally and seen it happen many, many times, and none of those times ended with a " Happily ever after " ending. Thing about it is, you've solidified your position in her mind as a friend, which is damn near impossible to escape, and while she may -seem- interested, she's more or less using you as a crutch. Now, that's not to say that she's doing it on purpose, hell, women are built that way.

In my opinion, the best thing you can do is move on and avoid investing any more feelings in this individual than you already have.

[ShineGet887]

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Originally posted by: JonLeung
I'm sure no one cares, but earlier this week we had the dreaded "just friends" talk.

I guess me and "Ada" are going our separate ways...

I took it surprisingly well, but that doesn't mean I'm not unhappy about it.

*whine*

Guess I should've read the entire thread. Sorry man, I know what it feels like, but the best thing for you to do is to hop back up on the saddle.

Some tips:

1.) Be rude

2.) Disregard their feelings at almost every turn.

3.) Don't reveal too much of yourself to them in the beginning

Those are more or less guide lines I use, but what it all boils down to is genuinely not caring one way or the other. I've found that I've been most successful with women when I'm busy with 10 million other things in my life, why? Because I'm not focusing on it and taking a leisurely approach to the situation.

All in all man, just be yourself and live life, I've found that if you do that, things tend to fall into place.

[Mario]

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Originally posted by: Kairon
Works the other way too. A typical way of getting a guy's attention when he's being hardheaded is to inspire his jealousy by going out with someone else, thus making the guy (knucklehead) realize that he really wanted you all along, and that he's gonna have to prove it now.

Not really, it just makes her more likely to have an STD

[Kairon]

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Works the other way too. A typical way of getting a guy's attention when he's being hardheaded is to inspire his jealousy by going out with someone else, thus making the guy (knucklehead) realize that he really wanted you all along, and that he's gonna have to prove it now.

Not really, it just makes her more likely to have an STD

What? But it always works like that in the romance novels I read and the chick flicks I watch!

[GoldenPhoenix]

I refuse to read anymore sexist generalizations.

[Kairon]

Hmmm... well, even though jealousy is a two-way street, it's horribly underhanded as a conscious tactic (though it may be unavoidable in certain situations). None of Jane Austen's heroines would stoop to that level, because as Pride & Prejudice's Elizabeth Bennet puts it:

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"I do assure you, Sir, that I have no pretension whatever to that kind of elegance which consists in tormenting a respectable man."

[ShineGet887]

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
I refuse to read anymore sexist generalizations.

I don't know if you were referencing me as part of that group, but I fail to see how my advice for him to be himself and improve other aspects of his life can be determined as sexist. There's nothing sexist about anything I was saying, and if you'd like, I could turn it around and be just as " sexist " towards males.

[that Baby guy]

Oh no!  A girl is upset!  Whatever shall we do?

Buy her candy and flowers!

J/K GP, J/K.

My serious girl advice?  Don't listen to the group consensus, and make your own decisions about who you are interested in your love life.  I browsed over the initial part of what you wrote, though I've read it before, but this time, I noticed that you mentioned your fellow employees all thought the girl you should go out with was Ada.  Trust me when I say that listening to people for advice on who to date doesn't work, because the person who knows you best is you.  So far, I've had three relationships that other people have suggested I be in, and the first two were terrible.  The third was a little bit more successful, but mostly because I took my time getting to know her better first, and she was head-over-heels for me.  The relationship degenerated pretty quickly, though, partially because a lot of the people around me pressured me into it sooner than we should have gotten together, and she wasn't prepared to contribute to a mutual relationship.  As it turns out, one of the people guiding me into most of these relationships was actually using me as a scapegoat to avoid admitting that he was homosexual.  He would focus on trying to set me up as a way to divert attention from his dating life before he came out.

The point:  Make your own decisions when choosing who to date, and the speed that your relationship travels.  If you take advice on healthy relationships, get it from those who are in successful relationships that you admire.  By this, I don't mean hints on good dates, or dating tips and ideas, I mean what kind of person you should look for and who would make you happy.  If someone attempts to coerce you into dating someone you aren't interested in or only are a little interested in, just take your time and do what you feel is right, not what he or she suggests.  That's my 2 bits.

Oh, and if someone is in a happy relationship, don't mess with that.  It just causes extra stress for the couple, and could really screw with their happiness.

Also, you seem too infatuated.  Try to imagine what a relationship with Ada would be like, and you'll probably see that it would be nothing special, that you're just caught up on a girl you can't have.  I think most of us have been through that phase before, and the sooner you realize it, the better off you are.  If you dwell too long on the girl, it really could affect your outlook on a whole lot of things.

[ShineGet887]

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Oh no!  A girl is upset!  Whatever shall we do?

Buy her candy and flowers!

J/K GP, J/K.

My serious girl advice?  Don't listen to the group consensus, and make your own decisions about who you are interested in your love life.  I browsed over the initial part of what you wrote, though I've read it before, but this time, I noticed that you mentioned your fellow employees all thought the girl you should go out with was Ada.  Trust me when I say that listening to people for advice on who to date doesn't work, because the person who knows you best is you.  So far, I've had three relationships that other people have suggested I be in, and the first two were terrible.  The third was a little bit more successful, but mostly because I took my time getting to know her better first, and she was head-over-heels for me.  The relationship degenerated pretty quickly, though, partially because a lot of the people around me pressured me into it sooner than we should have gotten together, and she wasn't prepared to contribute to a mutual relationship.  As it turns out, one of the people guiding me into most of these relationships was actually using me as a scapegoat to avoid admitting that he was homosexual.  He would focus on trying to set me up as a way to divert attention from his dating life before he came out.

The point:  Make your own decisions when choosing who to date, and the speed that your relationship travels.  If you take advice on healthy relationships, get it from those who are in successful relationships that you admire.  By this, I don't mean hints on good dates, or dating tips and ideas, I mean what kind of person you should look for and who would make you happy.  If someone attempts to coerce you into dating someone you aren't interested in or only are a little interested in, just take your time and do what you feel is right, not what he or she suggests.  That's my 2 bits.

Oh, and if someone is in a happy relationship, don't mess with that.  It just causes extra stress for the couple, and could really screw with their happiness.

Also, you seem too infatuated.  Try to imagine what a relationship with Ada would be like, and you'll probably see that it would be nothing special, that you're just caught up on a girl you can't have.  I think most of us have been through that phase before, and the sooner you realize it, the better off you are.  If you dwell too long on the girl, it really could affect your outlook on a whole lot of things.

I guess one thing I could add to this is: Do NOT be afraid to be alone if you get involved a bad relationship. This may seem too far down the line for now, but it can be applied to your current situation aswell. Why do I bring this up? Because I wasted a year and a half of my life with a girl I couldn't stand, and only a month ago got out of it for good. Did it suck detaching from a person I manipulated myself into believing was special to me? Yeah, a lot, but as the days went by, I saw what little effect she had on my every day life.

The same thing applies here.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Thing about it is, you've solidified your position in her mind as a friend, which is damn near impossible to escape, and while she may -seem- interested, she's more or less using you as a crutch. Now, that's not to say that she's doing it on purpose, hell, women are built that way.

Sounds pretty sexist to me, and for your tips if any guy was rude to me that would be it, and I know I'm not the only one. Everyone is different and while there may be a tendency DO NOT generalize every guy or girl acting the same way. Also you want some advice, be yourself and don't be phony. If things are going to work you need be yourself,  because you can't put up a fake facade forever if things continue. If after spending time with each other, and things don't click or she isn't impressed by your real self then I say move on. Personally I prefer things to go really slowly, I want to get to know the person well before I would even consider anything more, and that is why I like going to dinner or something where we can just talk. I'm sorry but movies don't cut it, especially in the beginning because you aren't getting to know each other and your attention is focused towards the movie.

[Kairon]

I guess things are getting too cynical when you assume you have to lie to get someone to like you.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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I guess things are getting too cynical when you assume you have to lie to get someone to like you.

You see it SOOO much though, when people try to impress you. The people I like the most are ones that are themselves and don't seem like they are putting on a show for me (which sadly can be hard to find).

[Smoke39]

You're all sexist for being heterosexual.

[Kairon]

Better sexist than furry.

[ShineGet887]

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Thing about it is, you've solidified your position in her mind as a friend, which is damn near impossible to escape, and while she may -seem- interested, she's more or less using you as a crutch. Now, that's not to say that she's doing it on purpose, hell, women are built that way.

Sounds pretty sexist to me, and for your tips if any guy was rude to me that would be it, and I know I'm not the only one. Everyone is different and while there may be a tendency DO NOT generalize every guy or girl acting the same way. Also you want some advice, be yourself and don't be phony. If things are going to work you need be yourself,  because you can't put up a fake facade forever if things continue. If after spending time with each other, and things don't click or she isn't impressed by your real self then I say move on. Personally I prefer things to go really slowly, I want to get to know the person well before I would even consider anything more, and that is why I like going to dinner or something where we can just talk. I'm sorry but movies don't cut it, especially in the beginning because you aren't getting to know each other and your attention is focused towards the movie.

Did I not exercise that to him at the end of my post? My attitude is an extension of my personality, and one that I left dormant due to society's ideas of how women should be treated. Don't get me wrong, I don't hit or verbally abuse anybody, but I'll be damned if I put anybody on a pedestal, especially just because of their gender.

As for what you quoted me on, I stand by that and I will continue to. Why? Because I have a lot of experience dating women, experience that you don't have, and I can view the gender from a non-biased perspective. Believe it or not, I've done a lot of research on this subject, and I recomend you do some aswell. If you'd like, I could write up a short list of books that you could pick up and read in your spare time, and I guarantee that none of them are " sexist ".

Another thing, when I spoke of women being " built that way ", I was talking about how they react on a subconscious level when faced with this sort of situation, because that reaction generally becomes what they feel.  

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Thing about it is, you've solidified your position in her mind as a friend, which is damn near impossible to escape, and while she may -seem- interested, she's more or less using you as a crutch. Now, that's not to say that she's doing it on purpose, hell, women are built that way.

Sounds pretty sexist to me, and for your tips if any guy was rude to me that would be it, and I know I'm not the only one. Everyone is different and while there may be a tendency DO NOT generalize every guy or girl acting the same way. Also you want some advice, be yourself and don't be phony. If things are going to work you need be yourself,  because you can't put up a fake facade forever if things continue. If after spending time with each other, and things don't click or she isn't impressed by your real self then I say move on. Personally I prefer things to go really slowly, I want to get to know the person well before I would even consider anything more, and that is why I like going to dinner or something where we can just talk. I'm sorry but movies don't cut it, especially in the beginning because you aren't getting to know each other and your attention is focused towards the movie.

Did I not exercise that to him at the end of my post? My attitude is an extension of my personality, and one that I left dormant due to society's ideas of how women should be treated. Don't get me wrong, I don't hit or verbally abuse anybody, but I'll be damned if I put anybody on a pedestal, especially just because of their gender.

As for what you quoted me on, I stand by that and I will continue to. Why? Because I have a lot of experience dating women, experience that you don't have, and I can view the gender from a non-biased perspective. Believe it or not, I've done a lot of research on this subject, and I recomend you do some aswell. If you'd like, I could write up a short list of books that you could pick up and read in your spare time, and I guarantee that none of them are " sexist ".

Another thing, when I spoke of women being " built that way ", I was talking about how they react on a subconscious level when faced with this sort of situation, because that reaction generally becomes what they feel.

Guess you know more than me right? I could find a short list of books that say the opposite, heck I could find cultures that roles for men and women are flipped. I get the impression you are very bitter and have had bad experiences, but don't insult us all because of it (maybe you've had too much dating experience).

[ShineGet887]

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Thing about it is, you've solidified your position in her mind as a friend, which is damn near impossible to escape, and while she may -seem- interested, she's more or less using you as a crutch. Now, that's not to say that she's doing it on purpose, hell, women are built that way.

Sounds pretty sexist to me, and for your tips if any guy was rude to me that would be it, and I know I'm not the only one. Everyone is different and while there may be a tendency DO NOT generalize every guy or girl acting the same way. Also you want some advice, be yourself and don't be phony. If things are going to work you need be yourself,  because you can't put up a fake facade forever if things continue. If after spending time with each other, and things don't click or she isn't impressed by your real self then I say move on. Personally I prefer things to go really slowly, I want to get to know the person well before I would even consider anything more, and that is why I like going to dinner or something where we can just talk. I'm sorry but movies don't cut it, especially in the beginning because you aren't getting to know each other and your attention is focused towards the movie.

Did I not exercise that to him at the end of my post? My attitude is an extension of my personality, and one that I left dormant due to society's ideas of how women should be treated. Don't get me wrong, I don't hit or verbally abuse anybody, but I'll be damned if I put anybody on a pedestal, especially just because of their gender.

As for what you quoted me on, I stand by that and I will continue to. Why? Because I have a lot of experience dating women, experience that you don't have, and I can view the gender from a non-biased perspective. Believe it or not, I've done a lot of research on this subject, and I recomend you do some aswell. If you'd like, I could write up a short list of books that you could pick up and read in your spare time, and I guarantee that none of them are " sexist ".

Another thing, when I spoke of women being " built that way ", I was talking about how they react on a subconscious level when faced with this sort of situation, because that reaction generally becomes what they feel.

Guess you know more than me right? I could find a short list of books that say the opposite, heck I could find cultures that roles for men and women are flipped. I get the impression you are very bitter and have had bad experiences, but don't insult us all because of it (maybe you've had too much dating experience).

What gives you the impression that I'm bitter or upset in the least? Let alone that I have a grudge against women? I'll be the first to tell you that I've had a very good dating life and that most of the girls I've seen for an extended period of time have been mature, intelligent, and well-rounded people. The only one who's taking what I'm saying the wrong way is you, and as noted before, I never said that men are any better. If you'd like me to start a thread or make a post here reflecting males in the same light I'd be happy to.

I don't get how you turned this whole thing into a men vs women debate, because I never intended it to be one, seeing as how arguments like that are pointless and stupid. What I don't appreciate is you making assumptions about my private life, seeing as how I've done nothing of the sort to you, so I'd like to ask you to stop and continue the discussion.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Thing about it is, you've solidified your position in her mind as a friend, which is damn near impossible to escape, and while she may -seem- interested, she's more or less using you as a crutch. Now, that's not to say that she's doing it on purpose, hell, women are built that way.

Sounds pretty sexist to me, and for your tips if any guy was rude to me that would be it, and I know I'm not the only one. Everyone is different and while there may be a tendency DO NOT generalize every guy or girl acting the same way. Also you want some advice, be yourself and don't be phony. If things are going to work you need be yourself,  because you can't put up a fake facade forever if things continue. If after spending time with each other, and things don't click or she isn't impressed by your real self then I say move on. Personally I prefer things to go really slowly, I want to get to know the person well before I would even consider anything more, and that is why I like going to dinner or something where we can just talk. I'm sorry but movies don't cut it, especially in the beginning because you aren't getting to know each other and your attention is focused towards the movie.

Did I not exercise that to him at the end of my post? My attitude is an extension of my personality, and one that I left dormant due to society's ideas of how women should be treated. Don't get me wrong, I don't hit or verbally abuse anybody, but I'll be damned if I put anybody on a pedestal, especially just because of their gender.

As for what you quoted me on, I stand by that and I will continue to. Why? Because I have a lot of experience dating women, experience that you don't have, and I can view the gender from a non-biased perspective. Believe it or not, I've done a lot of research on this subject, and I recomend you do some aswell. If you'd like, I could write up a short list of books that you could pick up and read in your spare time, and I guarantee that none of them are " sexist ".

Another thing, when I spoke of women being " built that way ", I was talking about how they react on a subconscious level when faced with this sort of situation, because that reaction generally becomes what they feel.

Guess you know more than me right? I could find a short list of books that say the opposite, heck I could find cultures that roles for men and women are flipped. I get the impression you are very bitter and have had bad experiences, but don't insult us all because of it (maybe you've had too much dating experience).

What gives you the impression that I'm bitter or upset in the least? Let alone that I have a grudge against women? I'll be the first to tell you that I've had a very good dating life and that most of the girls I've seen for an extended period of time have been mature, intelligent, and well-rounded people. The only one who's taking what I'm saying the wrong way is you, and as noted before, I never said that men are any better. If you'd like me to start a thread or make a post here reflecting males in the same light I'd be happy to.

I don't get how you turned this whole thing into a men vs women debate, because I never intended it to be one, seeing as how arguments like that are pointless and stupid. What I don't appreciate is you making assumptions about my private life, seeing as how I've done nothing of the sort to you, so I'd like to ask you to stop and continue the discussion.

You come accross as extremely bitter when you accuse women of using men as crutches because they can't help it, not to mention giving advice that you should disregard their feelings and be rude. I would continue with questions regarding your supposed good dating life but I will drop it, but everything else you said sounds severely bitter and quite prejudice that you want to justify with biology.

[ShineGet887]

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Thing about it is, you've solidified your position in her mind as a friend, which is damn near impossible to escape, and while she may -seem- interested, she's more or less using you as a crutch. Now, that's not to say that she's doing it on purpose, hell, women are built that way.

Sounds pretty sexist to me, and for your tips if any guy was rude to me that would be it, and I know I'm not the only one. Everyone is different and while there may be a tendency DO NOT generalize every guy or girl acting the same way. Also you want some advice, be yourself and don't be phony. If things are going to work you need be yourself,  because you can't put up a fake facade forever if things continue. If after spending time with each other, and things don't click or she isn't impressed by your real self then I say move on. Personally I prefer things to go really slowly, I want to get to know the person well before I would even consider anything more, and that is why I like going to dinner or something where we can just talk. I'm sorry but movies don't cut it, especially in the beginning because you aren't getting to know each other and your attention is focused towards the movie.

Did I not exercise that to him at the end of my post? My attitude is an extension of my personality, and one that I left dormant due to society's ideas of how women should be treated. Don't get me wrong, I don't hit or verbally abuse anybody, but I'll be damned if I put anybody on a pedestal, especially just because of their gender.

As for what you quoted me on, I stand by that and I will continue to. Why? Because I have a lot of experience dating women, experience that you don't have, and I can view the gender from a non-biased perspective. Believe it or not, I've done a lot of research on this subject, and I recomend you do some aswell. If you'd like, I could write up a short list of books that you could pick up and read in your spare time, and I guarantee that none of them are " sexist ".

Another thing, when I spoke of women being " built that way ", I was talking about how they react on a subconscious level when faced with this sort of situation, because that reaction generally becomes what they feel.

Guess you know more than me right? I could find a short list of books that say the opposite, heck I could find cultures that roles for men and women are flipped. I get the impression you are very bitter and have had bad experiences, but don't insult us all because of it (maybe you've had too much dating experience).

What gives you the impression that I'm bitter or upset in the least? Let alone that I have a grudge against women? I'll be the first to tell you that I've had a very good dating life and that most of the girls I've seen for an extended period of time have been mature, intelligent, and well-rounded people. The only one who's taking what I'm saying the wrong way is you, and as noted before, I never said that men are any better. If you'd like me to start a thread or make a post here reflecting males in the same light I'd be happy to.

I don't get how you turned this whole thing into a men vs women debate, because I never intended it to be one, seeing as how arguments like that are pointless and stupid. What I don't appreciate is you making assumptions about my private life, seeing as how I've done nothing of the sort to you, so I'd like to ask you to stop and continue the discussion.

You come accross as extremely bitter when you accuse women of using men as crutches because they can't help it, not to mention giving advice that you should disregard their feelings and be rude. I would continue with questions regarding your supposed good dating life but I will drop it, but everything else you said sounds severely bitter and quite prejudice that you want to justify with biology.

What I was saying was that in this particular instance, yes, she most likely was. I never said all women do this to all men and that they're so helpless that they can't survive without them, you drew that conclusion.

My advice to him at the end, beyond all of my sarcastic comments and joking recomendations, was for him to be himself and organize the rest of his life, and that when he's least expecting it, availible women will become interested in him naturally.

I still recomend that you read up on the subject, and I say that honestly and not as a sign of disrespect, because I think you'd be really surprised at how inhumane and sadistic our subconscious thought processes can be. And before you even say it, " our " was in reference to both men and women.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Ok fair enough, personally I love researching stuff like that. Also I apologize if I took your stuff out of contect. BTW in case you didn't know I am a female (I combative one! But still a female) though I may have misread your joke there.

[ShineGet887]

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Ok fair enough, personally I love researching stuff like that. Also I apologize if I took your stuff out of contect. BTW in case you didn't know I am a female (I combative one! But still a female) though I may have misread your joke there.

I'm sorry for giving you the indication I did, and I'll try and make myself more clear from now on of what exactly I mean. As for the reading, I could recomend some books for you if you'd like, one of them in particular I think is a must-read for everybody.

[Kairon]

*raises hand*

What's the title?

[JonLeung]

What's this topic about?

I've been gone for far too long...

[Mashiro]

I don't feel like reading though all these pages. What happened with the girl?

Oh my take on things, if you like someone let them know how you feel but don't over do it. Telling people they "mean the world" to you and stuff can be a little heavy and sometimes turn girls off.

Though I don't know if I should be handing out relationship advice since I'm not really a veteran of relationships or anything.