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« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2006, 02:29:17 AM »
dual analog was sony's dumb response to the analog stick, just like the four shoulder buttons, sony is like one of those annoying kids in school, not to mention stupid,  that if you have something, he buys two of that something  to feel superior.

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« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2006, 06:03:21 AM »
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Originally posted by: Magik

Dumb-ass-next-stepary?  You can than say the same for E-Reader and GBA-GC connectivity.  Heck, those are beyond Dumb-ass-next-stepary.



Yea, except that the PSP interacts with the PS2 and the soon to come PS3, and everyone acts like it's a great idea.

Oh, and except that MS has asked Sony to create compatability software/connections between the PSP and the 360, because they want to do connectivity also.  And beyond that, connecting with iPods and other such things.  (This is straight from J. Allard's mouth, people).

But no, you're right, it's a stupid idea that Nintendo didn't bring to console gaming.  No sir.

As far as dual analog goes, MS and Sony are content to think that's enough for gaming interfaces, when it obviously isn't (cue Mark Rein).  Hence why a Halo player on PC would trounce an Xbox player every time if they are of comparable skill levels.  Mouse + keyboard is far more response than two sticks and gives a far greater array of movement and quickness.   Hence, the Rev controller takes console controllers a step further.  I realize this is only tangential to the current argument, but it is easily parallel to the situation.  If Nintendo exitted now and had never shown the Rev, we'd have...what, triple stick by now?  Analog buttons that have 1 billion degrees of pressure?  Flame decals for controllers so they go faster?  What?

Yea, I don't want to imagine the limitations either.

Point being is that analog stick is revolutionary, adding a second is evolutionary AT BEST (and one could argue it's inspired by Nintendo, given that the N64 controller works off dual sticks at least in a technical and theoretical sense), but only one company does the former and others are content to shove the latter, less impressive results down our throats and call it the next step in interfacing.

Who wants to bet the Xbox 360^2 and PS4 will use something akin to the Rev's interface?  Anyone?  Oh, wait, they'll add rims and faceplates to it too and call it evolutionary....or at least their fans will...

     
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« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2006, 09:03:34 AM »
Fine, Strell, you should make it clear that you are angry at Sony not for introducing the whole Dual Stick thing, but that Sony fanboys (and probably Sony themselves) make a big deal out of something that isn't such a big deal. I don't doubt that if the Rev interface is successful, that it will be stolen, but as I said in my previous post, that's the way the business world works, and it would be folly not to copy them. You can't blame them for that. You can blame them for the overhyping of what's essentially the same or at best, in your eyes, incrementally improved product (and many argue the benefits of dual-analog, but I'm not getting into that fight.)

Maybe the PSP-PS2 link has better execution than the GBA-GC link. I thought the GBA-GC link was a great concept that wasn't executed correctly at all. And Sony isn't billing the PSP-PS2 link as an alternative to online play, which is what brought Nintendo a heap of backlash. And if Sony does the same mistakes as Nintendo did with the GBA-GC link (everyone has to buy a couple of link cables, compatible games, etc, etc) then the idea will probably tank anyways.

So, Strell, it seems like your complaints are toward Sony fanboys and PR guys like Kaz Hirai for overhyping, not for Sony implementing the ideas themselves.
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« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2006, 09:37:29 AM »
No, it's me retaliating against the idea in general that Nintendo is a failed company and doesn't do anything for the industry, when they've been the sole and prime force for bringing anything worthwhile or notable to begin with.  And then everyone comes back and sees a different company do something Nintendo has already tried, and they praise it.

I fail to see how pointing in that general direction somehow negates Sony's presence within it, especially when you seem content to say "Oh that's just Kaz, and he's just silly."

Not really.  That's an oversimplification and you know it.  If that were the case, then we wouldn't see third parties talking nonstop in the manner they do.  We wouldn't have Shiny's CEO calling the GBA a failure.  We wouldn't have to deal with posts from fanboys and everyone else calling Nintendo outdated and g1mm1cky.

But we do, we have, and we will.  That is the situation all around in the gaming industry.  

The criticism leveled at Nintendo is finely differentiated between useless rants and constructive, valid arguments, but in reality the former overtakes the latter 9 out of 10 times.  

I am less interested in the mistakes Nintendo has made in the past - citing connectivity over Internet is debatable since Nintendo didn't say they didn't want to go online, they thought it was unprofitable, and except in rare cases it is for the most part - and more interested in the absolutely idiotic statements I see fired back and forth all over the industry and gaming community that is squarely aimed at Nintendo.  It's definitely the "in" thing to do these days - you aren't hip if you like Nintendo.

In other words, online is another case of Nintendo saying something and people taking it WILDLY out of context.  Just like them saying "we need shorter game," which was meant to convey "we need less bloated games," and everyone acted like "OMFG WE'RE ONLY GETTING 3 HOUR GAMES NOW," or the endless graphics debate, or games made with everyone in mind as opposed to mature gorefests, etc etc etc.....

The way all of this works these days is Sony copies Nintendo - OR EXTENDS THEIR IDEAS, shut up about me not being clear on that - and somehow this is thought to be absolutely ground breaking.  So we get a bunch of people saying a lot of stupid remarks that run the gamut from outrageous ("Well Sony DID invent analog sticks") to pathetically weak ("Nintendo copied Sony!") to borderline valid ("Nintendo adopted dual stick").  But it ALL comes back to people praising Sony and saying Nintendo had nothing to do with it at all.

And this is (and will) happening with connectivity.
And this is (and will) happening with the Rev's controller.
And this is (and will) happening with the virtual console.
And this is (and has) with portable gaming, rumble tech, shoulder buttons, Z-targeting, dozens of genres (kart racing, party games, minigame games), etc etc etc etc etc....

But when it DOES happen, it's seen as positively amazing, new, evolutionary AND revolutionary, so long as you discount the fact that Nintendo got the ball rolling in the first place on essentially all facets.

Last I heard, the PSP-PS2 connectivity was incredibly underutilized, and did nothing more than unlocking a few things in Madden.  If that isn't bottom-of-the-barrel "We don't know wtf we are doing" caliber stuff, then I'm not sure how Sony could possibly top Nintendo's implementation.  True there are supposed to be neat ideas with MGS4, but the MGS series got a LOT of flack after 2 and has gone downhill, and by the time the PS3 launches the PSP is going to have little to no software support anyway (if current trends continue), so I highly doubt it's effective use down the line.  One game won't convince me and shouldn't convince anyone, but again, what does everyone talk about when MGS4 is mentioned?  "Don't forget the PSP will interact with it!"

At least Nintendo has already moved beyond PSP's connectivity by making the DS wireless and the eventual next GBA wireless, so that no cables are needed.  And the virtual console will probably play off that connectivity as well, making Sony's attempt even more caveman-like.  But please, everyone, feel free to tell me Nintendo is using a stagnant idea that went nowhere...

In the end, as I've said, the big deal is that Sony overhypes everything and tells people "this is a great idea THAT WE THOUGHT UP YEARS AGO BUT ONLY ARE JUST NOW USING IT" and their fans take it as the WORD.  And that's pathetic because it's almost ALWAYS a rehash of what Nintendo has done in the past.  I won't say always because emerging tech will be copied by everyone at some point, but the arguments hereto forecast that Sony is the innovator, Microsoft isn't far behind, and Nintendo is set in its ways.

Give me a break, so tired of people not giving credit where it is due, owed, and owned.    
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« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2006, 04:25:10 PM »
Strell - so why is all that against what I said? Your biggest concern is with public opinion being decieved by the Sony PR machine, not with the fact that they implemented Nintendo's ideas. The public, unfortunately, are sheep when it comes to crediting innovations to the right outfit. Shame really.

As for the PSP-PS2 link thing - I really don't know too much about it, just some conjecture to try to explain why public opinion might be with Sony. I agree that Nintendo has transcended the whole GBA-GC link thing and setting things aright with the DS.
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« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2006, 09:24:00 AM »
wow my joke post almost turned into a flame war, I need to um convey my sense of humor better I think.


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« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2006, 01:42:11 PM »
It's like Japan and America.  A lot of technology we thought of first and even implemented it first.  But the Japanese re-did it, made it public, marketted better, etc.  Ah the fun in parallels.
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« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2006, 02:08:26 PM »
wait how do we know Nintendo DIDNT actualy invent the Remote controller all those years ago,
I mean look at how so many non gamers refer to the controler pads ad Remotes anyways, imagine arguing that its not a REMOTE its a CONTROLLER to those bafoons once Revolution comes out. Seriously what else did Nintendo invent that we dont knwo about?
































I mean we already know Nintendo invented brothels.....  
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« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2006, 08:02:13 PM »
they at least pioneered love hotels
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« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2006, 08:21:51 PM »
and yet they maintain a kidish image, man if people only knew the truth
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