So we don't evolve motion controls and are left with what? WAGGLE. Waggle up to do said action A, waggle down to do said action B, it's the same as pressing a button. Your argument against 1-to-1 is that you want everyone on an equal playing field . . . so no one is better than another person? Why not? I'm sorry but not everyone shares your view on gaming and focusing JUST on that audience leaves a number of us in the dust.
I'm sorry, you need new glasses. When did I say NOT to evolve motion controls? I said, you need to be CAREFUL with it because 3rd parties will run it into the ground even when it's not needed! If every game becomes true 1-to-1 it's going to ruin the whole thing. Certain games can very well make use of true 1-to-1 motion but most games can't and shouldn't but 3rd parties will slap it onto everything and then whine about how motion control sucks when the games turn out bad. Look at the "casual" bandwagon that 3rd parties are on right now. Now imagine that with true 1-to-t motion control. *shudder*
Now you say online and HD are distractions? Really? You mean to tell me you don't feel with a robust online system Brawl would have gotten far longer play time? You don't think that a Pokemon game on the Wii going online wouldn't be something of a big hit? You're just regurgitating what Nintendo tells you you want. Furthermore, don't you think come next gen more and more people are going to have HD sets? I'll tell you what takes away from a game, not being able to play it on *insert HD set here* because it looks like garbage. How is that adding to your experience?
I still enjoy playing 8-bit and 16-bit games. Are they any less fun because they're not in HD or pushing around massive amounts of polygons or bilinear texture mapped? NO~! Graphics are a means to an end, not an end unto themselves. HD isn't anywhere near the massive and catastrophic shift in... anything that most people make it out to be. It's just a clearer picture. Oh wow... I can't believe I played games with a less clear picture before. How did I ever stand such blurry garbage. :p
And as for online, how is it anything more than playing with someone else sitting right next to you? I'm not a big fan of multi-player games to begin with so right there I lose interest. But beyond that, WHERE IS THE REAL ONLINE KILLER APP??? There isn't one. I was introduced to a game a while ago by a friend, an online SINGLE PLAYER game I might add, that involved you having to search the internet, on real as well as fake websites designed for the game, in order to find clues. That I find to be a MUCH bigger development of online play than any other game that I've ever seen. Why is online completely relegated to player matches, to fighting one another, with the odd coop mode thrown in? It's all just so boring and done before. It feels like such a waste of time and energy that it's used as merely a way to replace having to have someone sit next to you on the couch.
If you want to see a killer online APP (and I have said it time and time and time again) wait for Nintendo to actually make a full scale online pokemon game. Practically everyone on the planet would play it =/.
AW HELLS NO! If Nintendo ever makes an online console version of Pokemon it had BETTER involve me and maybe a few friends playing through the world together. A Pokemon MMO would absolutely RUIN the game for me forever. I'm not going to play a game with a bunch of 12 year olds going on 18 yelling and swearing at me constantly. I'll tell you right now that voice chat is the bane of online gaming. No matter what it added to it, the fact that you have to put up with complete and total morons whining day in and day out absolutely ruins it.
Online and HD does add to gaming, just because you feel it doesn't it doesn't mean there isn't a market for it.
I never said they didn't add to gaming, they just don't add much. I also never said there wasn't a market for them. There's a market for cigarettes after all and they're basically a product designed to addict and then kill you. There's a market for anything. Doesn't mean it's a good or worthwhile product.
I'm not going to argue that Nintendo doesn't innovate, it does, it's always lead the way in terms of innovation and most companies just copy it. I'm not making that argument, the argument I am making is that this mystical amazing awesome motion controls you're drooling over is nothing more than a GIMMICK. Nintendo HASN'T proven it's new little control set up at all. Yeah is it fun in Wii Sports? You bet! But has Nintendo sat down and revolutionized their games around it? No.
Big deal you tried to get Mario to jump while lifting your controller, I hate to break it to you Mario still jumps with the press of a button. You can waggle your control and he spins though . . . yay . . . true innovation. Motion controls may not be a gimmick but the Wii's current capacity for them sure as heck is. I'm sorry but you can't say standard controllers are a "gimmick" when they have lasted how many years now? Come back and talk to me when "waggle" controls rule the gaming scene for 25 somewhat years.
As for Nintendo revolutionizing their games around the Wii controller... YOU! WON'T! LET! THEM! They completely change Mario to use the Wii controller to the max and you'll say they ruined it, probably without even giving the game a chance. There are so many people out there raging for Nintendo's demise about this whole situation that it's crazy! I told you before, they're being extremely careful for a reason. And that reason is people like you.
And by the way, lack of technological innovation or inability to adapt technology in a usable manor does not mean that current and previous controllers are not a gimmick. The Wii controller is a gimmick too, but it's closer to where gaming is eventually going to head. It's the next evolutionary step. It removes one more barrier from the human/machine interface. Every controller is a gimmick until games evolve into... well I don't know what they're going to evolve into.
Will motion controls rule the day someday in the future? More likely than not but not the way Wii uses the Wii-mote.
DUH! Now that's not hard to figure out.
You have to give MS credit in one area, they have the most robust online gaming set up compared to any of the system we have before us today.
Again, I'm not saying Nintendo hasn't innovated more than any other company in the past. It's just this high pedestal they get put on for the Wii isn't as deserving as people make it out to be. Again, name me ONE AAA title Nitnendo made that fully utilizes it's control scheme. Exactly, you can't. Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Smash Bros., they all use a very TRADITIONAL style of control, which you say is dying and old.
So what do we have? Waggle intensive games or point and "click" style adventures? The latter of which has been around since the early days of the PC?
Show me the innovation, please. When you look at it as much as you knock the competition for sticking with the tired and true formula of traditional gaming, Nintendo is doing the EXACT same thing with gimmicky control set ups. Mario Kart Wii is the same old Mario Kart with some new vehicles added and a wheel addon...thing. Wow. Mario Galaxy could be played with a GC controller and no one would notice a difference. Zelda is just a port of the GC game so . . . yeah same thing as Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros. begs to be played with CLASSIC TRADITIONAL CONTROLS.
Where is your innovation you speak so highly of for the Wii? I don't see it in their AAA tittles so please show me.
I'm not saying motion controls won't evolve into something much better but WHERE IT STANDs motion control is a GIMMICK on the Wii. Nintendo can't utilize it so why should I expect 3rd parties to?
As for giving up on third parties I've done that once before with the N64, i'd rather not again.
Tried and true? Tradition? Is THAT all you have? Just to use the same old tired arguments that what's already come before is more worthy of existence because it's already here? Didn't I already put this idea to rest before? Tradition means nothing. In fact, tradition is one of the most damaging forces in the world. Just because it's here already means it's better... Get over yourself!
And there are still technical limitations in what the Wii can do so you're arguments about how Nintendo hasn't completely rewritten gaming as it stands don't hold water in the slightest. Buttons will be around for a while still. It's a fact of nature... sadly. But Nintendo is taking the first few steps in the right direction. If you wanted to wait until motion control was perfected it would NEVER come out! You have to start somewhere, even if it's simple actions and small additions to "traditional" games. The point is it's something.
God help us if they rip off the current Wii controllers. Again, motion controls will play a big part in the future of gaming but the Wii RIGHT NOW has Gimmicky controls that don't have practical applications in gaming. You STILL need a traditional button set up to do things in these games.
Sony's already tried and it's the worst kept secret in the industry that MS is working on their own. Sorry, but "waggle" is here to stay whether you want it to be or not. And I've already said buttons aren't going to vanish for a while still. It's so sad that technology evolves so slowly.
I know this, I already stated the same thing. Nintendo tapped into a market that didn't exist and now they phase in money.
Who said it was a market that didn't exist? Where are you getting that from? It was a market that existed that didn't KNOW that it wanted this product until it was released. There's a HUGE difference. Nintendo did not make the market, they simply validated it.
I only have myself to blame for how the Wii turned out? Really? So supporting Nintendo since DAY ONE of the NES and practically ONLY buying Nintendo products until now is what made the Wii turn out this way. Really?
No my misguided friend, don't question or even begin to point fingers at the end user for how things turned out. Nintendo needed to leave it's followers in the dust? Don't call me out on the kind of person I am without knowing anything about me.
I can easily say the same for you, the BLINDLY DEVOTED FOLLOWERS of Nintendo will cause gaming to become a waggle infested mini-game market for all.
See? That's not too nice now is it.
Sorry but I followed Nintendo nearly all my life and I don't have to be spoon fed what I want (because apparently I don't know what I want right?) by them anymore.
Oh wow... That one hit a nerve. The thing is, it sounds like you sir are the more devoted Nintendo fan than I. Over the years I've gotten more and more tired of the same old stale gaming that's been regurgitated time and time again. Even from Nintendo. The N64 was okay, the GC was less than stellar and by the time word started propagating about the next generation, I'd already decided that unless someone did something drastic, I wasn't even going to get a console. Console gaming was all but dead to me. Sure I still followed the industry and the politics and the blah, blah, blah. But none of the games actually interested me any more.
Mario Sunshine sucked ass. Twilight Princess was such a let down. After the first PSX era I said good-bye to Square. I bought FFVII, VIII and IX while watching the companies game making abilities erode. After the GC I just assumed it was time to let Nintendo go as well.
Wii changed my mind. Not really for what it was, but for what it represented. A new way of playing. A better, brighter future. Not one filled with simply more buttons, more buttons, more buttons, higher res, higher res, higher res. And the promise of what was to come after? How can you even understate what the advancement of this control mechanic represents?
No one wanted to do it. Everyone said it would blow. Hell, there were PC controllers in the past, one made by MS itself, that completely tanked because no one could figure out how to do it right. Nintendo figured it out. They may not have paved the road but the cleared the brush so you can see that there is a path. You keep acting like I'm treating Nintendo like this gaming messiah, which is anything but the truth. What they are are the only ones who seem to be able to get anything started right. Had Wii come out with a traditional controller with "waggle", it would have tanked ala everyone else that has ever tried that.
In the end, "traditional" games are and will vanish. No amount of fighting against that will stop it. "Waggle" is the buzz right now, but that's right now. This is only a taste of that which is yet to come. If you can't get over yourself long enough to realize that you must give new ideas TIME to develop then really, what else can I say? You're one of the dinosaurs that are going to be left behind.
The meteor has already struck.
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