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Re: Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #50 on: January 02, 2011, 12:52:29 PM »
If you don't like a law, you don't just disregard it and do whatever you want.  You fight to have it changed: you protest, you write to your congressmen, you elect new congressmen that share your ideals, you fight the law in court, etc.

Unfortunately that doesn't work, because all of those congressmen are owned by corporations like Sony. You have no rights but the ones you take for yourself. Freedom is an illusion given to those blind enough to believe. You can't change the system by playing within the confines of its rules... you're destined to fail.

Don't forget, this is Sony. This is the same company that purposefully installed malicious rootkits on the computer of any legitimate customer looking to play/rip/listen to their purchased music CD.
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Re: Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2011, 01:17:30 PM »
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Please don't make up crap like you did with the professors

I'm not, there are many professional researchers out there that have been arrested for their work, threaten with legal action, or refuse to publish work for fear. Just to name a few, Edward Felten is a Princeton Professor that was threaten with legal action by the RIAA, Niels Ferguson is a Dutch cryptographer that refuses to publish his work for fear of the DMCA, and Dmitri Sklyarov who was arrested during a trip to US to discuss how he broke Adobe's security that cause the Russian government to issue a travel advisory to the US.
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Re: Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2011, 02:04:24 PM »
What a joke, getting smites because I am not supporting pirates.

You're getting smitted because you're a damn hypocrite. You already admitted you bought a PSP because of how easy it was to hack, and when you were called on it you said nothing in response to it. So STFU about pirates, because you are one yourself and everyone here now knows it. So you don't have a leg to stand on.

And I noticed you have continued to smite me, so I'm going to keep smiting you now in both retaliation and also because you make me sick for being a lying thieving pirate hypocrite who whines about hacking and yet you do it yourself. So now every chance I get I'm hitting that smite button on you until you have the lowest score on the board, because in my opinion you are the lowest.

The issue is that very few people who do so do it for stuff like homebrew games, almost all of them do it for illegal stuff.

You certainly would know, Mr. PSP Pirate.
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Re: Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2011, 02:58:55 PM »
Sony legally has a right to remove features at any time. For those saying it's about Linux, BS. Barely anyone even used the feature when it was part of the PS3.

They also legally have the right to terminate PSN accounts at random, that'd still make them total fuckheads.

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Re: Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #54 on: January 02, 2011, 05:55:44 PM »
I think we will just have to agree to disagree in this topic and move on.  This is starting to get a bit nasty.

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Re: Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #55 on: January 02, 2011, 06:03:15 PM »
I think we will just have to agree to disagree in this topic and move on.  This is starting to get a bit nasty.

I agree. All those involved have strong opinions that are unlikely to change, and thus there is no further need to continue this line of discussion.
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Re: Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #56 on: January 02, 2011, 07:30:29 PM »
I think we will just have to agree to disagree in this topic and move on.  This is starting to get a bit nasty.

I agree. All those involved have strong opinions that are unlikely to change, and thus there is no further need to continue this line of discussion.

Disagreeing isn't the problem. Its someone saying they're strongly against something to the point they wish harm to those who do it and then it turns out that that person actually does the exact thing he hates others for doing. In a previous post a certain member said he wished those who hacked their PS3 (note: hacked, not necessarily pirates) had their PS3s bricked by Sony. But this same person also said in another post they bought a PSP just because of how easy it is to hack. And then to top it all off this same person refuses to comment on his hypocrisy, and has the nerve to smite me and complain that he is being smited for "speaking out against piracy". But that's not the reason.

If this is all some misunderstanding he had the opportunity to explain his words, but he didn't. When it was revealed he said he bought a PSP for hacking purposes he ignored the post and pretended it didn't exist and then continued on bashing the PS3 hackers as if he had the moral high ground to do so.

If someone is against PS3 hacking (for legal purposes) that's fine. I don't agree with them, but I'll respect their opinion. Its the people who say they're against something but do it themselves that I don't have any respect for.
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« Reply #57 on: January 02, 2011, 09:28:22 PM »
Maybe so, but it all stems from the initial topic. 

Either way, you have both been slinging mud at each other to know that nothing will be resolved.  It will just escalate.  Leave it be.

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Re: Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #58 on: January 02, 2011, 09:52:08 PM »
Chozo Ghost pretty much nailed it. I think it's time to add some new quotes to my sig.
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Re: Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #59 on: January 02, 2011, 10:06:30 PM »
So we don't forget:

That's the only reason I bought a used PSP, because of how easy it was to mod.

They are not even slightly morally justified to hack it. Sony had every right to take away Linux, and the reason they did has already been explained. To be honest, I would be happy if Sony found a way to brick every system that did this.

That's exactly what he said word for word. Can we have this put on the NWR Hall of Shame or something?
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Re: Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #60 on: January 02, 2011, 10:11:51 PM »
Ease up winguts. It's a forum not a deathmatch
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Re: Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #61 on: January 02, 2011, 10:58:51 PM »
I have no problem with hobbyists practicing coding through hacking and cracking security systems.  But, I am really frustrated about the lack of respect some people have for businesses and intellectual properties in today's society. 

I also do not agree that you can justify this by saying, Sony took a feature away that people wanted.  Nintendo took out Gameboy Advance support in the newer DS.  That doesn't give me the right to complain and then hack the system to play games.  The feature was removed, probably for reasons of security in the first place. 

I also really hate the analogy if you have a locked door someone must unlock it.  That is twisted logic, and if it is true...is a testament to how selfish and I would dare say evil our society is.  People should have the right to protect themselves and businesses should have the right to change their products and protect their properties.

That being said, like I started before I have no problem with the hobbyists, and I don't know if this is illegal, but they shouldn't be pressed at all for legal action.  And I agree that Sony taking an advertised feature and not just taking it away from new PS3s like backwards compatibility but taking it away from all users is pretty low. 

I am flabbergasted by your lack of curiosity. The universe itself is a big giant lock with it's secrets screaming to be unlocked. For scientists, the laws of nature is both the key and the prize. For others, Sudoku is enough of a mystery, others it is electronic devices, playing games or digging a hole in the ground to see whats underneath(I most certainly did this as a kid).

You find a locked chest or someone gave one to you are you not going to take bolt cutters to it to see what is inside? Or is the idea of Pandoras Box so strong within you that you are frozen with inaction or even flee? If you truly believe this curiosity is so selfish that you even consider it EVIL, then man should have never walked out that cave into the light and just die.

Your DS analogy is broken. Nintendo didn't retroactively disable my DS Phat GBA slot. They made a revised product while still selling the old. If this is what Sony did, then you might have the correct analogy, but this didn't happen. Try harder.

For all your love of intellectual properties and the law you forgot it is a two way street. Laws only work because there is mutual respect between the people in society as a whole to follow the law. Corporations are not people, it's a legal construct or more basically an idea to remove personal responsibility and risk for private rewards. Society as a whole acts to remedy the imbalance caused by the abuse of the law. Just because somebody wrote it down on paper and signed it mean it contains the consent of society as just and to be enforced. Otherwise you could make anything legal or illegal. The civil penalty in the US for a person for piracy is greater than that of actual theft whether it is a CD of said music or billions of dollars. The penalty effectively imposes perpetual bankruptcy for the lifetime of the defendant resulting in a permanent reduction in quality of life short of that person through chance being able to pay off the burden. How is this just? If I stole a CD and got sent to jail, I can look forward to the day that I leave jail in weeks or months time with a chance and with time to clean the record.

Piracy is only a symptom of a greater issue government losing the will of the people and is also one of the results of freedom. Not only of speech, movement and action, but information. Paradoxically, we limit these freedoms in order to enjoy them.

However reactionaries exists because some people feel that these limitations have exceeded their scope. Some are hackers, some form alternate political groups others are protesters, rioters even or the odd terrorist. The methods vary, so more agreeable than others, but they do not exist in a vacuum. An increasing number of people join these groups or give silent consent as these limitations increase without benefit to the greater society or even remotely match society even believes in regardless of benefit.

Your analogy again is flawed.  I am not saying discovery is wrong.  Searching for truth and discovery in this world is part of the human design.  But looking for how the world works is vastly different than breaking into something that is not yours to break into.  I specifically commented on the idea of a locked door just being there and it is OK for humans to try and unlock even though it is not theirs.  That is messed up and evil.  It is like the people that shatter glass or break things on the street just because they can.  It doesn't happen in every society...just societies with overly individualistic values. 

Also, just for the record I don't see the universe as an locked box, but an unlocked box ready and willing to be discovered.  So I disagree further with your statement.  However, I do agree the DS analogy is weak...which is I stated that although Sony may have had the right, it was horribly wrong to retroact it, because people bought the product with a feature included.  That said, that feature was a software feature, which is only licensed and not promised.


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Re: Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #62 on: January 02, 2011, 11:01:29 PM »
Eh...I'd say it was promised, but *after* you buy the console and read everything online is when you find out they can take it away. EULAs should be printed and affixed to the outer packaging of hardware and software, it's bullshit to "agree" to terms that you are completely unaware of, just because you buy the product.
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« Reply #63 on: January 02, 2011, 11:51:25 PM »
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Your analogy again is flawed.  I am not saying discovery is wrong.  Searching for truth and discovery in this world is part of the human design.  But looking for how the world works is vastly different than breaking into something that is not yours to break into.  I specifically commented on the idea of a locked door just being there and it is OK for humans to try and unlock even though it is not theirs.  That is messed up and evil.  It is like the people that shatter glass or break things on the street just because they can.  It doesn't happen in every society...just societies with overly individualistic values. 

No one is breaking into other people's PS3s, hacking into their computers, or going into anyone's homes but their own. Car safety is improved by crashing them, structures are improved by pushing them pass their limits, security systems are improved by breaking into them. Not doing this is beyond foolish and dangerous. Would you want to live in a society that refuses to state the maximum load (or admit that one exist) for bridge because criminals/terrorist could use that fact for evil or have it illegal for unaffiliated third parties to verify those claims even if they do? The currents system is to throw anything at the wall, call it a security system, close your eyes, and arrest any dissenting options. The very fact that you're hacking into something you own isn't wrong and shouldn't be illegal; what you choose to do afterward should be the sole problem.
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« Reply #64 on: January 03, 2011, 01:20:11 AM »
I am not saying discovery is wrong.  Searching for truth and discovery in this world is part of the human design.  But looking for how the world works is vastly different than breaking into something that is not yours to break into.  I specifically commented on the idea of a locked door just being there and it is OK for humans to try and unlock even though it is not theirs.  That is messed up and evil.  It is like the people that shatter glass or break things on the street just because they can.  It doesn't happen in every society...just societies with overly individualistic values.

You bought a PS3? It is yours to break into, regardless of what some IP lawyers and the corporate backed DMCA FUD would like you to believe. You own that piece of equipment and can hack it, mod it, destroy it, paint it pink, or do with it whatever else you please. You'll void the warranty, but that's how ownership works. I'm sorry that you devalue the "individualistic values" that some of us have, and would rather we all be corporate automatons bending over for Sony's pleasure.

Why is it that you people fight so hard to keep yourselves enslaved? You don't benefit from corporate greed. Quite the contrary, you're being victimized by it, yet you'll fight tooth and nail to defend it. Odd.
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Re: Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #65 on: January 03, 2011, 02:51:03 AM »

You bought a PS3? It is yours to break into, regardless of what some IP lawyers and the corporate backed DMCA FUD would like you to believe. You own that piece of equipment and can hack it, mod it, destroy it, paint it pink, or do with it whatever else you please. You'll void the warranty, but that's how ownership works. I'm sorry that you devalue the "individualistic values" that some of us have, and would rather we all be corporate automatons bending over for Sony's pleasure.

Why is it that you people fight so hard to keep yourselves enslaved? You don't benefit from corporate greed. Quite the contrary, you're being victimized by it, yet you'll fight tooth and nail to defend it. Odd.

Morari, you've been warned about this kind of overzealous anti-establishment rhetoric before.  Please knock it off.  You can make your point without turning the argument into the next foothold of the Rebel Alliance.
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« Reply #66 on: January 03, 2011, 03:26:51 AM »
Look deeper. He's telling you to get a PC so you won't have to worry about that.

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« Reply #67 on: January 03, 2011, 04:21:31 AM »
I feel I am being taken again out of context...or people just aren't fully understanding my point of view.

I am not saying it is illegal or wrong to hack a system, mod a system, or what not.  However, people don't stop there.  If they did that is cool.  Some of the coolest computer gadgets are mods.  I do not support stealing of any kind...and yes that even includes survival theft...yet that makes more sense that most theft that goes on.  Hackers, Modders, rarely stop at legal side of the bar.  They almost always engage in some sort of theft.  And yes in this information age, I understand it is getting harder to understand intellectual properties and when you are stealing and when you are attaining it legally.  For instance, if I have the cart can I download the ROM and play it on an emulator.  Most people will agree yes, you can....but legally I do not think that is the case.  That is just example of many in this digital era. 

The analogy I was upset with was the idea that a locked door must be opened like we have this right to know whatever we want to know or obtain what we want to obtain because it is there and we have the ability to do it.  To me that is a self serving and pretty evil attitude.  It is an attitude that doesn't exist in every society...but usually in the higher individualistic societies. 

Do I want discovery to stop?  No.  Do I think we should respect every entities properities including corporations?  Yes.  Do I think corporations go to far protecting their precious things and do foolish stupid things?  Yes.  Do I think we are all slaves to corporations?  No.  That is silly...at any moment I can stop buying and giving a corporation my money.

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Re: Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #68 on: January 03, 2011, 05:18:50 AM »
Sony marketed the PS3 as a Supercomputer from the time they announced it. What the hell good is a supercomputer if it can only play video games and blu-ray movies? Without the ability to install Other OS the potential of the hardware is wasted. Sony is facing lawsuits for removing that feature. Let's see what the courts say before saying Sony "had the right to remove it".

The last thing on NASA and the USAF's mind is pirating PS3 games. They (among others) were clustering thousands of PS3s together and using it as a massive supercomputer for science or whatever else they do. They certainly weren't interested in pirating free copies of Ratchet and Clank. Sony pulled the plug on it though. Ripping off consumers is one thing, but it probably isn't wise to mess with the government. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how all this plays out, but now that the PS3 is permanently hacked anyway and with the pressure of the lawsuits we may see the Other OS feature be restored.

Personally, I hope Sony comes to their senses and does bring the feature back. Sure, people can do it anyway thanks to the hack, but its just not right that someone has to resort to hacks to use something they paid for and were promised and should rightfully be theirs to use. After all, Sony did market the thing as a "supercomputer", right? And people/organizations WERE actually using it as such. Is it right that Sony went and pulled the rug out from under them when they may have invested tons of money into building these massive PS3 clusters?
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Re: Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #69 on: January 03, 2011, 07:09:46 AM »
I completely agree with that. 

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« Reply #70 on: January 03, 2011, 07:23:52 AM »
Sony marketed the PS3 as a Supercomputer from the time they announced it. What the hell good is a supercomputer if it can only play video games and blu-ray movies? Without the ability to install Other OS the potential of the hardware is wasted. Sony is facing lawsuits for removing that feature. Let's see what the courts say before saying Sony "had the right to remove it".

The default postion should be that Sony is wrong because there are other cases that involve things like this and you can't take away something from a product that is already sold.  The other OS was even in some advertising.  We should not really have to wait for the courts because the differences between those cases and this are negligible.  Sony is going to try to pull some bullshit about software and service but everybody can see its bullshit.  Changing it so people can't hack is not a legitimate reason to remove an advertised feature from customers who bought said feature.  This company, like most, has no problem with going to court for potential short term gain even if they are wrong, look back at the rumble suits.

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« Reply #71 on: January 03, 2011, 08:40:54 AM »
Sony marketed the PS3 as a Supercomputer from the time they announced it. What the hell good is a supercomputer if it can only play video games and blu-ray movies? Without the ability to install Other OS the potential of the hardware is wasted. Sony is facing lawsuits for removing that feature. Let's see what the courts say before saying Sony "had the right to remove it".

The last thing on NASA and the USAF's mind is pirating PS3 games. They (among others) were clustering thousands of PS3s together and using it as a massive supercomputer for science or whatever else they do. They certainly weren't interested in pirating free copies of Ratchet and Clank. Sony pulled the plug on it though. Ripping off consumers is one thing, but it probably isn't wise to mess with the government. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how all this plays out, but now that the PS3 is permanently hacked anyway and with the pressure of the lawsuits we may see the Other OS feature be restored.

Personally, I hope Sony comes to their senses and does bring the feature back. Sure, people can do it anyway thanks to the hack, but its just not right that someone has to resort to hacks to use something they paid for and were promised and should rightfully be theirs to use. After all, Sony did market the thing as a "supercomputer", right? And people/organizations WERE actually using it as such. Is it right that Sony went and pulled the rug out from under them when they may have invested tons of money into building these massive PS3 clusters?

They could just refuse the firmware update, turn off the auto update, and never have the cluster have access to the internet.

Now, NASA and USAF won't be able to buy Linux-able PS3s, but they have other supercomputer options. It's Sony's loss of orders from NASA, USAF, and other organizations but it looks like they aren't in the business of supplying cheap supercomputers.

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Re: Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #72 on: January 03, 2011, 10:39:57 AM »
I feel I am being taken again out of context.

You're right. I took your statement out of context. I did so on purpose. Not to undermine your points, but to make my own. What I quoted was relevant to how a lot of people think and feel. It's relevant to how corporations take rights away from consumers and leave us all with subpar products. I didn't mean to single you out, nor was my statement precisely about you. I just used your sentence as a catalyst. Overall, it seems like you're keeping a fairly balanced viewpoint.

I will say however...

Do I think we are all slaves to corporations?  No.  That is silly...at any moment I can stop buying and giving a corporation my money.

I would say that we already are corporate slaves to a large extent when corporations pay world governments to pass laws that serve only them, and not the rights of the people.
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« Reply #73 on: January 03, 2011, 12:25:31 PM »
I feel I am being taken again out of context...or people just aren't fully understanding my point of view.

I am not saying it is illegal or wrong to hack a system, mod a system, or what not.  However, people don't stop there.  If they did that is cool.  Some of the coolest computer gadgets are mods.  I do not support stealing of any kind...and yes that even includes survival theft...yet that makes more sense that most theft that goes on.  Hackers, Modders, rarely stop at legal side of the bar.  They almost always engage in some sort of theft.  And yes in this information age, I understand it is getting harder to understand intellectual properties and when you are stealing and when you are attaining it legally.  For instance, if I have the cart can I download the ROM and play it on an emulator.  Most people will agree yes, you can....but legally I do not think that is the case.  That is just example of many in this digital era. 

The analogy I was upset with was the idea that a locked door must be opened like we have this right to know whatever we want to know or obtain what we want to obtain because it is there and we have the ability to do it.  To me that is a self serving and pretty evil attitude.  It is an attitude that doesn't exist in every society...but usually in the higher individualistic societies. 

Do I want discovery to stop?  No.  Do I think we should respect every entities properties including corporations?  Yes.  Do I think corporations go to far protecting their precious things and do foolish stupid things?  Yes.  Do I think we are all slaves to corporations?  No.  That is silly...at any moment I can stop buying and giving a corporation my money.

 It is the individual's choice as to what to do thing the information once that lock has been undone. At the bottom of Pandora's box was Hope. Times and time again needless suffering has occurred because knowledge has been missed used. Yet we are still here, we have grown stronger, better from that same knowledge. The universe is locked to us. These locks can be real or metaphorical. We cannot go to Mars because we lack the tools to do so and until recently we could not use a PS3 as we see fit until these tools were released.

There is nothing individualist or selfish about what they did. They saw something to be discovered and gifted it to the world. Had they commercialised it for their own profit, you might have a point.
 
 To these people, unlocking the PS3 is like going to Mars. It would be selfish of them not to share the fruits of this knowledge as it is a benefit to society as a whole. Sure Sony might lose out, everybody else gains. What others do with this knowledge is their own damn business, otherwise you could regress indefinitely to the inventor of any item or idea that harms another both legally and morally.
 
 What you are doing to these people and others like them is the equivalent of what Zeus did to Prometheus. I dare not claim that hacking a PS3 is on the same level is stealing fire from the Gods and giving it to mankind. But what these people did, is of the same spirit. They didn't do it so they can be tied to a metaphorical rock to get their livers torn out each day. Yet here you are, playing the eagle each and every day.

Corporations are useful things. They gather wealth and talent to make something greater than the sum of their parts. No problem with that. In some ways, not too different from government and both serve a very useful purpose. However there is a couple of problems with corporations.

Corporations one and only goal is to gather wealth and any action that can lead to more wealth. The second is that corporations are quasi immortal. While the founder or other strong individuals may set the direction of a corporation, however his or she influence only extends as far as they are in power or lives. Once this influence is gone, a corporation reverts back to it's natural state which is to gather wealth by any means. Corporations transcend governments. I mentioned before corporations are not people, but yet they have voice within government. Government are meant to serve the people, to the will of the people and the consent of the people. Corporations not only exists over multiple countries, but have influence over multiple countries. Corporations have no concept of consequence beyond their own portfolio and limitations governments can impose. But corporations can and does influence government resulting in unnecessary harm to others and environment as they use up public goods like air and water in order to generate more wealth.

Did I mention Corporations are very useful things? They have helped mankind accomplish many great and useful things. Commercialised bits of science so they can be brought to the every Joe Blow in many practical forms and costs. The modern world wouldn't exist with out them. They allow the pooling of wealth and talent in a secure environment from sources of people who would rather kill each other. However I believe that they have grown too powerful. As greed given form, they must be limited and controlled produce something positive or at least, do no evil.

Like many other corporations before, Sony has over stepped and must be punished. But given the balance of power and the general brokeness of the US legal institutions, by the time we get a ruling negative or positive, the PS3 will be obsolete. The gain to society would be lost to time. Sony wins. Look at the Exxon Vades Spill through the use of endless litigation reduced the penalty to a fraction of the damage, yet corporations can multiply penalties to those individuals they sue to multiple Hundards of Thousands of Times. Yeah it's a comedy site, but what better way to point of the absurdity of it all, so sue me. I for one don't see the problem for taking action that are extra legal against corporations should they not only break our laws, but make them for it's own benefit and our collective detriment.

That said, what action you take is up to you. I could consider you the better man for not breaking the law no matter how unjust they many be.

Quote from: Edmund Burke?

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

Perhaps getting the order of the words correct helps with the meaning. It often does so in the English language, unlike some other languages where it sometimes makes little difference. The above quote is attributed to Edmund Burke, a well-known 18th century political philosopher. It has been quoted often in recent years, especially by reform candidates for public office, sometimes without appropriate attribution. It means that evil is not neutral; if you and/or society stop resisting evil, it will continue to grow and spread. It is a call to arms for people to stop being complacent.
Evil is not neutral and there can be no neutrality exercised toward it. Anyone who is not against it is perforce in favor of it.

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I want to work for a corporation one day, as they can offer opportunities and benefits I can't have otherwise, take pride in something bigger, but not if it costs me my soul. Corporations can be a force for good, but this runs contrary to it's true nature so must be restrained, questioned and challenged like our governments so it can work for us, not us for it.

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Re: Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #74 on: January 03, 2011, 12:41:04 PM »

You bought a PS3? It is yours to break into, regardless of what some IP lawyers and the corporate backed DMCA FUD would like you to believe. You own that piece of equipment and can hack it, mod it, destroy it, paint it pink, or do with it whatever else you please. You'll void the warranty, but that's how ownership works. I'm sorry that you devalue the "individualistic values" that some of us have, and would rather we all be corporate automatons bending over for Sony's pleasure.

Why is it that you people fight so hard to keep yourselves enslaved? You don't benefit from corporate greed. Quite the contrary, you're being victimized by it, yet you'll fight tooth and nail to defend it. Odd.

Morari, you've been warned about this kind of overzealous anti-establishment rhetoric before.  Please knock it off.  You can make your point without turning the argument into the next foothold of the Rebel Alliance.


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