If it takes the Wii U to falter in order to prompt Nintendo to stop d***ing about with tablet controllers, motion controls and 3D, and for them to make something that is more console than toy, then perhaps that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
I'd hate to break it to you but consoles are toys. One day you'll realize this and put petty internet squabble behind you as I did. And before you question why I'm even here calling you out on something like this, I'll be blunt; I'm going through some **** and need a familiar "hang out" so to speak and I've been a part of this community for years. Also, I like being a snarky bastard sometimes . Personally I feel the outrage between "nintendo going casual" is just the fact that the Wii's success it made teens and long-time adult gamer's realize this fact, and like an insecure child, they lash out about it because their little bubble has burst. I'm honestly surprised that when Sony and Microsoft started trying to put out "casual" software that those fans didn't act like schoolyard children who stopped playing with their favorite toy because either everyone else had it, or girls played with it too, so it was no longer "cool". Guarantee my peers here didn't buy their first console, their parents did, and I also guarantee it was from a toy-store as opposed to an electronics store. Face it, these are games for your entertainment. Unlike say a card game, or a dice game, you're using a controller to manipulate the game, thus you're playing with a toy. Funny how there's nothing wrong with playing with these toys as an adult, but that most adults playing them really need to grow up to realize it. I don't want to start the "are videogames art" debate here but honestly, for anyone out there that thinks having the best graphics matters; go watch a hollywood blockbuster like the Avengers instead, cuz even PS4 won't touch that level of detail, and that's a promise. For those that try to validate "core/mature" games with "deep stories" go read a novel because the majority of game's stories these days are nothing that hasn't been done before; they try to be movies which usually get their stories from a book anyway. Point is, you're playing with a toy. Deal with it.Having one circle pad on the 3DS only to release not one but two versions of the circle pad pro, 1not having analogue sticks on the Wii U gamepad, having a touch screen on the gamepad which is far less functional than those screens which most people are now familar with, having a Wii U pro controller which does not have force feedback, offering only 32 GB of internal storage, these are all things which Nintendo has either not acknowledged as being issues or has chosen to ignore for cost purposes.
True, Nintendo's bizarreness has helped to distinguish them in the market, but having gone through all this before as a Wii owner, I'm feeling a little weary of their wacky decision making. Ultimately, I just want something that isn't a chore. I don't want friend codes, I don't want poor online services, I don't want 8 and 9 month gaps in the release schedule, I don't want to have to use 3 different controllers, or motion controls, or tablet controllers. I want my games to be complex, engaging, challenging and, yes, I would like for the graphical capability of the system to not be a hinderance to the imaginations of the game designers. I want exactly what you've stated. I want Nintendo to gain a certain level of equality with their competitors rather than continuing to play catch up.
2What I don't want is a Wii U, lol.
1. I hope that part is a typo because I'm pretty sure the gamepad has analogue sticks. Perhaps you're referencing to the original version shown that appeared to have the 3DS-like circle-pads? Just wanted to point that out..
2. Fair opinion, but if you know you don't want one, why spend the time making post after post in such a negative tone about it? I understand this is a forum but.. look at me, I don't like the majority of PS3 and 360 offerings but I don't go into those topics and talk trash to people who have a differing opinion.
Yes, Mario Paint is considered a casual game, but for some reason I actually enjoyed that and would be happy if they made a modern version of it, but for some reason I didn't like Wii Sports or Wii Music. I gave both of those games a chance, but they didn't appeal to me at all. 3So why is it that I enjoyed the casual Mario Paint but not these? I don't know. Maybe its the Miis or the waggle controls. I don't know. But there is definitely a difference with this generation than all others.
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As far as Nintendo's tyrannical dealings with third parties go, I don't condone that, but it didn't really impact the level of support Nintendo received in those days because they were a monopoly and were able to get away with it. It was only in later generations that they suffered the consequences for it. 4But from the perspective of a gamer (and especially one who was just a kid in those days) I was oblivious to that. Now I'm aware of it, but back then I didn't know any better.
Read point #3 and then point #4. Have you ever thought that perhaps the reason you like something like Mario Paint over Wii Sports/Music is because you were a kid in those days and were oblivious to the difference between casual/hardcore? Really think about that, all of you. If we didn't have gaming "journalism" the way we have today, if every person and their grandmother didn't have such easy access to spreading their opinions the way we do these days, if no one planted that seed in your head that "casual" gamers are girls and grandparents and that "hardcore" meant rated M FPS's or whatever; that you may just be able to enjoy something for what it is?Part of me feels sad for the younger generation of gamer's being brought up in the "casual vs hardcore" war the internet keeps campaigning, then again when I was a kid Nintendo was "teh kiddie" and it didn't stop me from enjoying Mario Paint as much as I enjoyed something like Super Contra III. Maybe that's because it was only relegated to playgrounds and when I got home I was content playing my games instead of at a computer reading over and over and over again how nintendo sucks and they'll fail any minute now.
I miss those days. Oh wait, I can just choose not to go-online (to gaming sites at least).Not necessarily. Some of my Nintendo DS cartridges don't work anymore because the pins have started to rust.
Dang... what do you do to those things?
ThomasO must be blowing in his cartridges, OLD SCHOOL!!!!
@Iansane: See that's how you make a post with a differing opinion without coming across like you're trying to pick a fight. He's been doing this so long he's a pro. Sure there are the occasional flames he fans but I chalk that up to him being riled up after a long day of work or his hockey team losing, or something. I still can't help but feel that even if Nintendo gives him the next Super Mario World that he desires, he'll dislike it. That's probably because they have and I believe he didn't like it (Galaxy).
Also, I really feel that you just have this inner loathing for motions controls and are either lying about them not working for you in all games or are subconsciously (or not!) playing these games wrong because outside of games that are clearly buggy (the first Red Steel for example), I don't recall having any issues with motion controls in any of the 1st or 3rd party Wii games I've played/own. Maybe you've had a defective controller this whole time and didn't even know it.
One last thing: LuigiDude, damn you for making me hungry. Serano*: you won the thread with your comment
*I apologize if I got the username wrong.
I don't think that's going to be possible anymore...the "4-6 year" thing for consoles. Actually I think it already ended
THEN THEY ALL DESERVE TO DIE, AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL!!!!! D&
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