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Will Nintendo pull off another 30 for 30 in Japan sales this year and, if so, how many times?

Yes. 1 time.
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Yes. 2 times.
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Yes. 3 times.
1 (9.1%)
Yes. 4 times.
1 (9.1%)
Yes. 5 times.
1 (9.1%)
Yes. 6 times.
0 (0%)
Yes. 7 times.
1 (9.1%)
Yes. 8 times.
0 (0%)
Yes. 9 times.
2 (18.2%)
Ninten-domination! 10 times or more that the top 30 goes to Nintendo Software.
4 (36.4%)
No. It doesn't happen once this year. Sony plays spoiler.
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Re: Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #4450 on: July 09, 2009, 07:01:08 AM »
So I looked at the Nintendo Channel's numbers on Conduit trying to determine tentative numbers but I've forgotten how to do the math.

The total hours spent playing are 74,522. The average per player is 10 hours and 42 minutes. So about 116 people have the game who use the Nintendo Channel tracking feature. The question is what percentage is that of the total. I've forgotten what that was. Does anyone know? 5% is stuck in my mind but that would mean only about 2320 people got the game so that can't be right. Am I off on my math? Can anyone help me turn this data into a rough figure? Or do we not have enough data to come up with a figure. I'm rusty with this kind of math. Maybe it's 0.5% but that still lowballs it at 23,200. 0.05% would make it 232,000.

I only have my Wii available to me right now so I can't easily search for the actual percentage numbers. I found it on a site attempting to predict WiiWare sales. Also, is my math right if the percentages are accurate?

Might be fun if we could try and calculate the sales. I suppose we could try a control calculation with a game that's total sales are better known (like Mario Kart or something) to find the correct percentage. I'll try it out tomorrow when I have access to a proper computer.
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Re: Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #4451 on: July 09, 2009, 10:20:36 AM »
I think you'll get different rates for different audiences too.

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Re: Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #4452 on: July 09, 2009, 10:42:55 AM »
Doesn't it only track if you log into the Nintendo channel? I raley open it up and go in and I think most people would be like that.
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Re: Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #4453 on: July 09, 2009, 11:58:28 AM »
It only tracks you if you actually use the Nintendo channel - and tell it to share your information.
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Re: Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #4454 on: July 09, 2009, 12:06:53 PM »
I have it set to tell but I barley log into it...
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Re: Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #4455 on: July 09, 2009, 12:55:07 PM »
Nintendo channel #'s are nothing you should bother trying to build a trend from.
Not nearly enough data from a large enough sample size to do anything meaningful with.

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Re: Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #4456 on: July 09, 2009, 06:02:12 PM »
http://games.stumpnet.net/vcsales/

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Nintendo channel listed data accounts for approximately 11.2% of known VC/WiiWare sales.

This is where I got the data from. WW/VC dataprobably is different from disc sales.
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Re: Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #4457 on: July 09, 2009, 06:13:50 PM »
Considering you have to connect online to buy VC/WW games, I would say the average person buying VC/WW games is more aware of the Nintendo Channel than other Wii owners.
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Re: Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #4458 on: July 09, 2009, 10:07:32 PM »
True. But I'm going to try and work backwards with a known number like Animal crossing or Mario Kart Wii and see if I can find a loose percentage to apply to Conduit and see what it is. Might be a fun way of predicting sales before NPD comes out.
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Re: Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #4459 on: July 09, 2009, 10:09:21 PM »
There where reports it sold 100,000 in the first week, which is all we will see in the June NPD's.
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Re: Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #4460 on: July 09, 2009, 10:12:30 PM »
I estimated 130k for June NPD, so that would mean I was close.

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Re: Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #4461 on: July 09, 2009, 10:20:42 PM »
100k for one week if true is pretty good for a hardcore new IP on Wii.
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Re: Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #4462 on: July 09, 2009, 10:24:00 PM »
100k for one week if true is unbelievably good for a hardcore new 3rd party IP on Wii.

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Re: Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #4463 on: July 09, 2009, 11:17:39 PM »
very late double post
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« Reply #4464 on: July 11, 2009, 04:13:36 PM »
Media Create: 6/29 - 7/05

01./01. [WII] Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo) - 154,617 / 514,000 (-57%)
02./00. [PSP] Hatsune Miku: Project Diva (SEGA) - 101,414 / NEW
03./02. [NDS] Tomodachi Collection (Friend Collection) (Nintendo) - 63,111 / 237,000 (-12%)
04./00. [PSP] Boku no Natsuyasumi 4 (My Summer Vacation 4): Youth Detective Group in Seto - Me and the Secret Map (SCEI) - 49,680 / NEW
05./09. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2 G (BEST) (Capcom) - 14,223 / 776,000 (+10%)
06./07. [NDS] Kingdom Hearts: 358/2 Days (Square Enix) - 13,392 / 492,000 (-39%)
07./10. [NDS] Sloane and MacHale's Mysterious Story (Level 5) - 11,941 / 168,000 (-5%)
08./04. [PSP] Ken to Mahou to Gakuen Mono. 2 (Sword & Magic & School 2) (Acquire) - 11,782 / 50,000 (-69%)
09./03. [PS3] Atelier Rorona: Alchemist of Arland (Gust) - 10,849 / 54,000 (-75%)
10./28. [NDS] Infinite Space (SEGA) - 9,654 / 56,000

11./12. [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo)
12./14. [NDS] Pokemon Platinum (Pokemon Co.)
13./05. [PS3] BlazBlue (Arc System Works)
14./00. [WII] EA Sports Grand Slam Tennis (Electronic Arts Victor)
15./11. [PSP] Valhalla Knights 2: Battle Stance (Marvelous)
16./13. [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji (Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth) (Capcom)
17./23. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
18./16. [NDS] Akira Tago's Mind Exercises (Atama no Taisou) Vol. 1: Puzzle Solving Journey Around the World (Level 5)
19./06. [360] BlazBlue (Arc System Works)
20./25. [WII] Taiko Drum Master Wii (Namco Bandai)
21./08. [PS3] Agarest Senki Zero (Compile Heart)
22./24. [NDS] Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky (Pokemon Co.)
23./27. [NDS] Mario & Luigi RPG 3!!! (Nintendo)
24./29. [PSP] Evangelion: Jo (Prologue) (Namco Bandai)
25./21. [PS3] Shin Sangoku Musou 5 Empires (Koei)
26./17. [PSP] Fate/Unlimited Codes Portable (Capcom)
27./32. [NDS] Metal Fight Beyblade (Hudson)
28./41. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
29./36. [NDS] Dragon Ball Kai: Saiyajin Raishuu (Namco Bandai)
30./33. [NDS] Made in Ore (Wario Ware) (Nintendo)

31./34. [WII] Play on Wii: Pikmin 2 (Nintendo)
32./40. [NDS] Rhythm Tengoku Gold (Nintendo)
33./43. [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
34./48. [NDS] Inazuma Eleven (Level 5)
35./46. [PSP] Sengoku Basara: Battle Heroes (Capcom)
36./38. [NDS] Pro Yakyuu Team o Tsukurou! 2 (SEGA)
37./37. [PS3] Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriot (BEST) (Konami)
38./45. [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo)
39./00. [NDS] Animal Crossing: Wild World (Nintendo)
40./44. [WII] Monster Hunter G (Capcom)
41./00. [NDS] Taiko Drum Master 2: The Seven Island Adventure (Namco Bandai)
42./39. [WII] Play on Wii: Chibi-Robo! (Nintendo)
43./42. [WII] Wii Sports (Nintendo)
44./30. [PS3] Wanted: Weapons of Fate (Spike)
45./00. [WII] Animal Crossing: City Folk (Nintendo)
46./00. [NDS] Pro Baseball Famista DS 2009 (Namco Bandai)
47./00. [NDS] Prof. Layton and the Last Time Travel (Level 5)
48./26. [PS3] Bionic Commando (Capcom)
49./00. [PS2] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2009 (#15) (Konami)
50./00. [NDS] Wagamama Fashion: Girls Mode (Nintendo)

*. [ACC] Wii Motion+ (Nintendo) - 146000 / 442000 (-51%)

NDS - 22
WII - 11
PSP - 8
PS3 - 7
360 - 1
PS2 - 1

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|System |  This Week  |  Last Week  |        YTD  |         LTD  |
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|  NDS  |     54,362  |     45,480  |  1,710,439  |  26,830,074  |
|  PSP  |     32,849  |     26,789  |  1,194,654  |  12,552,757  |
|  WII  |     24,971  |     21,790  |    647,140  |   8,126,117  |
|  PS3  |     11,196  |     11,310  |    601,133  |   3,223,601  |
|  360  |      5,876  |      5,766  |    235,484  |   1,064,921  |
|  PS2  |      3,734  |      3,578  |    136,193  |  21,535,722  |
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|  DSi  |     46,855  |     39,885  |  1,410,484  |   2,641,843  |
|  DSL  |      7,507  |      5,595  |    299,955  |  17,602,760  |
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« Reply #4465 on: July 11, 2009, 11:47:30 PM »
Famitsu 12/29/2008 - 6/28/2009

Software Top 100

01. [NDS] Mario & Luigi RPG 3!!! (Nintendo) 647,844
02. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G (BEST) (Capcom) 595,348 (794,465)
03. [PS3] Ryu ga Gotoku 3 (Sega) 489,739
04. [PS3] Resident Evil 5 (Capcom) 472,261
05. [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo) 465,838 (3,433,135)
06. [NDS] Kingdom Hearts: 358/2 Days (Square Enix) 462,453
07. [NDS] Rhythm Heaven (Nintendo) 398,069 (1,748,740)
08. [PSP] Dynasty Warriors: Strikeforce (Koei) 383,326
09. [NDS] Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky (Pokemon) 357,271
10. [WII] Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo) 353,827

11. [WII] Taiko no Tatsujin Wii (Bandai Namco Games) 326,403 (577,586)
12. [PSP] Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology 2 (Bandai Namco Games) 317,413
13. [NDS] Style Savvy (Nintendo) 291,194 (840,542)
14. [NDS] Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth (Capcom) 267,680
15. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo) 267,435 (2,270,750)
16. [WII] Animal Crossing: City Folk (Nintendo) 263,547 (1,158,849)
17. [NDS] Kirby Super Star Ultra (Nintendo) 261,016 (1,116,443)
18. [NDS] Pokemon Platinum (Pokemon) 240,288 (2,427,625)
19. [PSP] Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 (Konami) 233,727
20. [NDS] Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Echoes of Time (Square Enix) 232,801

21. [PS2] Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 (Konami) 231,174
22. [PSP] Dissidia: Final Fantasy (Square Enix) 229,258 (889,520)
23. [WII] Monster Hunter G (Capcom) 224,701
24. [WII] Wii Sports (Nintendo) 217,697 (3,524,167)
25. [PS3] Musou Orochi Z (Koei) 216,363
26. [360] Star Ocean 4: The Last Hope (Square Enix) 208,438
27. [NDS] Super Robot Taisen K (Bandai Namco Games) 207,079
28. [WII] Wii de Asobu: Mario Tennis GC (Nintendo) 191,342
29. [PSP] Idolmaster SP: Perfect Sun/Missing Moon/Wandering Star (Bandai Namco Games) 187,039
30. [NDS] Dragon Ball Kai: Saiyajin Raishuu (Bandai Namco Games) 184,056

31. [PSP] Sengoku Basara: Battle Heroes (Capcom) 176,258
32. [NDS] WarioWare D.I.Y. (Nintendo) 175,482
33. [NDS] Tomodachi Collection (Nintendo) 170,490
34. [NDS] Animal Crossing: Wild World (Nintendo) 169,707 (5,021,760)
35. [NDS] Magician's Quest: Mysterious Times (Konami) 165,919 (399,368)
36. [NDS] Momotarou Dentetsu: 20th Anniversary (Hudson) 164,771 (286,911)
37. [PSP] Kidou Senshi Gundam: Senjou no Kizuna Portable (Bandai Namco Games) 163,763
38. [NDS] Power Pro Kun Pocket 11 (Konami) 155,878 (254,954)
39. [PS2] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 2009 (Konami) 148,583
40. [NDS] Professor Layton and The Last Time Travel (Level 5) 147,562 (775,705)

41. [NDS] Picross 3D (Nintendo) 145,392
42. [NDS] Meccha! Taiko no Tatsujin DS: 7-tsu no Shima no Daibouken (Bandai Namco Games) 141,409 (585,542)
43. [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo) 140,001 (3,457,319)
44. [PS3] Street Fighter IV (Capcom) 139,626
45. [NDS] Sloane to MacHale no Nazo no Monogatari (Level 5) 139,542
46. [NDS] 7th Dragon (Sega) 136,104
47. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) 136,017 (5,508,204)
48. [PS3] Demon's Souls (SCE) 134,585
49. [PS3] White Knight Chronicles (SCE) 134,491 (337,524)
50. [NDS] Inazuma Eleven (Level 5) 131,053 (360,064)

51. [PSP] Persona (Atlus) 128,709
52. [PS3] Dynasty Warriors 6 Empires (Koei) 127,739
53. [NDS] Penguin no Mondai: Saikyou Penguin Densetsu! (Konami) 125,552 (280,539)
54. [WII] Karaoke Joysound Wii (Hudson) 119,755 (234,806)
55. [360] Resident Evil 5 (Capcom) 117,069
56. [NDS] Phantasy Star Zero (Sega) 116,734 (202,307)
57. [WII] Wii de Asobu: Pikmin (Nintendo) 116,382 (164,611)
58. [NDS] DS Bimoji Training (Nintendo) 108,552 (533,824)
59. [WII] Wii de Asobu: Pikmin 2 (Nintendo) 107,460
60. [PS3] Dynasty Warriors: Gundam 2 (Bandai Namco Games) 106,887 (313,325)

61. [NDS] Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor (Atlus) 106,779
62. [PS2] Dynasty Warriors: Gundam 2 (Bandai Namco Games) 101,021 (233,161)
63. [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo) 100,176 (2,693,470)
64. [WII] One Piece Unlimited Cruise: Episode 2 - Mezameru Yuusha (Bandai Namco Games) 99,995
65. [PS3] Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 (Konami) 95,735 (393,631)
66. [NDS] Pro Yakyuu Famista DS 2009 (Bandai Namco Games) 95,336
67. [PSP] Warriors Orochi 2 (Musou Orochi) (Koei) 85,876 (196,336)
68. [NDS] Pro Yakyuu Team o Tsukurou! 2 (Sega) 85,303
69. [PS3] Naruto: Ultimate Ninja Storm (Bandai Namco Games) 83,868
70. [NDS] Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's Stardust Accelerator: World Championship 2009 (Konami) 82,885

71. [NDS] Tales of Hearts: CG Movie Edition/Anime Movie Edition (Bandai Namco Games) 82,474 (259,000)
72. [PSP] Makai Senki Disgaea 2 Portable (Nippon Ichi Software) 80,927
73. [NDS] Aibou DS (Tecmo) 79,935
74. [PS3] Killzone 2 (SCe) 78,482
75. [WII] Wii Music (Nintendo) 77,384 (401,266)
76. [PS2] Super Robot Taisen Z Special Disc (Bandai Namco Games) 76,752
77. [PS2] Dragon Ball Z: Infinite World (Bandai Namco Games) 75,505 (199,196)
78. [NDS] Game Center CX: Arino no Chousenjou 2 (Bandai Namco Games) 75,212
79. [PSP] Kidou Senshi Gundam: Giren no Yabou - Axis no Kyoui V (Bandai Namco Games) 75,042
80. [PS2] Jikkyou Powerful Major League 2009 (Konami) 74,415

81. [PSP] Bleach: Heat the Soul 6 (SCE) 74,279
82. [PS2] Amagami (Enterbrain) 73,415
83. [NDS] Meitantei Conan & Kindaichi Shounen no Jikenbou: Meguri au Futari no Meitantei (Bandai Namco Games) 72,950
84. [NDS] Sunday x Magazine Nettou! Dream Nine (Konami) 71,843
85. [PS3] Gran Turismo 5 Prologue: Spec III (SCE) 71,337 (295,174)
86. [360] Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation (PLATINUM) (Bandai Namco Games) 69,893 (111,773)
87. [NDS] Crayon Shin-Chan: Arashi o Yobu - Nendororo~n Daihenshin (Bandai Namco Games) 68,806
88. [NDS] Metal Fight Beyblade (Hudson) 68,082
89. [NDS] Bokujou Monogatari: Youkoso Kaze no Bazaar e (Marvelous Entertainment) 67,662 (115,844)
90. [360] Beautiful Katamari (PLATINUM) (Bandai Namco Games) 66,992 (108,484)

91. [PS2] Kidou Senshi Gundam: Giren no Yabou - Axis no Kyoui V (Bandai Namco Games) 66,750
92. [NDS] Suikoden Tierkreis (Konami) 65,798 (155,777)
93. [NDS] Shining Force Feather (Sega) 62,907
94. [WII] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu Next (Konami) 62,095
95. [WII] Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Nintendo) 61,718 (1,808,831)
96. [NDS] Nintendogs (Nintendo) 58,041 (1,909,025)
97. [NDS] Taiko no Tatsujin DS: Touch de Dokodon! (Bandai Namco Games) 57,851 (582,678)
98. [PS3] Valkyria Chronicles (BEST) (Sega) 57,842
99. [PSP] Zill O'll Infinite Plus (Koei) 57,652
100. [NDS] Mario Party DS (Nintendo) 57,586 (1,889,851)

NDS - 45
WII - 16
PSP - 14
PS3 - 13
PS2 - 8
360 - 4

Hardware
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Hardware |    2009 H1 |    2008 H1 |    LTD
NDS      |  1,621,939 |  1,593,844 | 26,757,215
PSP      |  1,177,511 |  1,964,461 | 12,255,995
Wii      |    639,788 |  1,720,263 |  8,166,609
PS3      |    552,601 |    548,273 |  3,216,967
360      |    214,221 |     80,290 |  1,080,388
PS2      |    158,591 |    257,702 | 21,706,393

Software
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Software |    2009 H1 |    2008 H1
NDS      |      41.4% |      35.9%
PSP      |      17.9% |      16.3%
Wii      |      17.0% |      26.0%
PS3      |      11.8% |       7.8%
360      |       4.4% |       2.3%
PS2      |       7.2% |      11.5%
Others   |       0.4% |       0.2%
Total    | 25,610,000 | 31,910,000

Top 5 Publishers
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Publisher    |    2009 H1 |    2008 H1
Nintendo     |  5,700,000 | 10,340,000
Bandai Namco |  3,600,000 |  3,900,000
Capcom       |  2,640,000 |  3,760,000
Konami       |  2,170,000 |  2,550,000
Square Enix  |  1,560,000 |          -
Sega         |          - |  1,310,000
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DQIX sold...
« Reply #4466 on: July 13, 2009, 01:41:33 PM »
Famitsu Sales:

DQIX - 2,343,440 sold copies in the first two days.

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1225810_1124.html

Media-Create:

2,318,932 (81.56% sell-through)

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2009/07/13/dqix_sales_media_create/
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Re: Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #4467 on: July 13, 2009, 02:06:56 PM »
Second link is broken, the URL it leads to is truncated, not just the text.

Does that set any records or is it par for the course?

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« Reply #4468 on: July 13, 2009, 06:53:20 PM »
It at least broke this years records. Mario & Luigi 3 didn't even reach 700k since it was released so that's saying something. It nearly outsold Pokemon Platinum's LTD numbers in two days. Krikey! People aren't kidding when they say DQ is a huge seller.
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Re: Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #4469 on: July 14, 2009, 04:28:05 AM »
The Escapist says it broke the Japanese record which was held by DQ8.

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Re: Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #4470 on: July 14, 2009, 05:12:02 AM »
Expect that stupid Monster Hunter PSP game to finally drop off the top 10 list now. Its going to be interesting to see DS hardware sales. I am certain they have jumped up as a result of this.
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Re: Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #4471 on: July 14, 2009, 07:50:54 AM »
When are the next NPD numbers due?

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Re: Official Wii Sales Thread
« Reply #4472 on: July 14, 2009, 10:57:07 AM »
I think NPD might be this Thursday.

I also want to estimate DS/i sales to jump up to 85k this week because of the new color released alongside DQIX

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Famitsu Sales: 7/06 - 7/12
« Reply #4473 on: July 15, 2009, 10:53:45 PM »
Famitsu Sales: 7/06 - 7/12

01. [NDS] Dragon Quest IX (Square Enix) - 2,343k
02. [WII] Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo) - 93k
03. [NDS] Tomodachi Collection (Friend Collection) (Nintendo) - 53k
04. [PSP] Boku no Natsuyasumi 4 (My Summer Vacation 4): Youth Detective Group in Seto - Me and the Secret Map (SCEI)
05. [PSP] Hatsune Miku: Project Diva (SEGA) - 15k
06. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2 G (BEST) (Capcom)
07. [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo)
08. [NDS] Kingdom Hearts: 358/2 Days (Square Enix)
09. [NDS] Sloane and MacHale's Mysterious Story (Level 5)
10. [NDS] Pokemon Platinum (Pokemon Co.)

DS - >150k
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« Reply #4474 on: July 15, 2009, 10:55:59 PM »
Media Create - 7/06 - 7/12

Early Hardware Leak
DSi 116800
DSL 10800
Wii 21900
PS3 9900
PS2 3500
PSP 26900
X360 3500
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