Topic: The OFFICIAL Big N rumor thread *bring your own salt*

[Louieturkey]

I've been waiting for High Fidelity to make a comeback.  Nintendo is going to forgo Wirelese Fidelity and return to the roots of hte 80s with HiFi.  I love it.

[Stratos]

Psst. I got a hot tip, don't tell anyone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX2smM87r14

I never believed that. It's quite ridiculous really. If it tracked all of your movement for the game then you would run out of room really fast to run and jump around.

One of the clever details of the "Wii Hi-Fi" is that it will have visuals on par with an Xbox 360.  See a typical false rumour usually caters to fanboy dreams so the natural tendency would be to say the Wii successor would be more powerful than the current consoles.  But matching the weaker of the two HD consoles with a console released YEARS later?  That is so up Nintendo's alley.  It's so lame that's it's incredibly believable.  "Hi-Fi" is also a clever name since it doesn't follow coventional naming and it has never been used before in any other rumours.  A lesser bullshitter would have gone for the obvious Wii HD name, which Nintendo would NEVER use.

For those pointing out that Nintendo's isn't going to release a new portable and console so close together what about the Gamecube and GBA?  They both came out in 2001 and were revealed around the same time.

It would be quite an epic surprise, wouldn't it? Nintendo allows leaks of 3DS so everyone if focused and expecting only that. Then they one-two punch you with the new console. You think the press conference is over when they dim the lights again and surprise us with it's reveal.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Also how long before Wii was release was Revolution announced?

It was about 18 months right? Announced E3 2005(May) with a release in Holiday 2006(Nov).
If this were to follow the same time table, that would put it's release at Xmas time 2011.

It would also guarantee that Sony & MS are gonna be drowned out of the news during E3 as everyone scrambled to know more and give impressions about 3DS & Wii2.

[UncleBob]

>>hype train image.jpg<<

[TJ Spyke]

The chances of Nintendo announcing Wii 2 this year are slim to none, they have no reason to even think about releasing the next console anytime soon. With Nintendo changing their tactics, I wouldn't expect Nintendo to announce Wii 2 until it's less than a year away.

Besides, it's already expected that 3DS will be the biggest thing at E3 (at least according to publishers who have seen it). Polls show that fewer than 10% of PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 owners plan to even get PlayStation Move/Project Natal.

[ShyGuy]

I think they will probaby say something like "Our next console is coming, code named the Insurrection, in 2011" and that's it. When they first mentioned the Revolution in 2005 they told us nothing at all. They didn't show the controller until 5 months later and no game until the next E3.

[Mop it up]

Nintendo spaced out the DS and Wii with two years, and I'd imagine they are going to have at least that same gap for the 3DS and the Wii successor. If they reveal a new system, it will be at next year's E3 (and I still think that's a huge "if").

Nintendo may have released the GameCube and GBA in the same year, but back then, they needed a successful product as soon as possible. With how successful Wii is, they've got plenty of time to wait.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Now we're not talking about a reveal, we're talking an announcement.

Just acknowledgement that it is on it's way and to desperately seek out more information while we feed you scraps through the rumor mill over the next 12 months till we actually reveal it at E3 2011.

[Shaymin]

As a rule, I trust .fr websites about as far as I can throw them.

[Adrock]

For those pointing out that Nintendo's isn't going to release a new portable and console so close together what about the Gamecube and GBA?  They both came out in 2001 and were revealed around the same time.

It would be quite an epic surprise, wouldn't it? Nintendo allows leaks of 3DS so everyone if focused and expecting only that. Then they one-two punch you with the new console. You think the press conference is over when they dim the lights again and surprise us with it's reveal.

The difference is that the Wii is still selling well. N64 was not. I still expect the successor of the Wii to launch November 2011, but I don't think this E3 is when they'll unveil it. They could easily unveil it E3 2011 and launch by November. I'm pretty sure that's what they did with DS. If I remember correctly, it was announced January 2004, the prototype was unveiled and playable in May, then they launched in November. There's really no rush. Nintendo is enjoying brisk sales of their current hardware, something that hasn't happened in 3 generations. It's kind of depressing to think it's been that long and we're this old.

[stevey]

Wii HD and a Wii (hifi) with the power of an 360 are the same thing. Never happen.

I think they will probaby say something like "Our next console is coming, code named the Insurrection, in 2011" and that's it. When they first mentioned the Revolution in 2005 they told us nothing at all. They didn't show the controller until 5 months later and no game until the next E3.

But in 2005 the GC was more or less dead and a lost. Nintendo wanted to give their investors a reason not to sell their stocks with hope. The Wii on the other hand is in a completely different situation from those dark times.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Anyone wanna speculate on the possibility of Wii2H3D  aka WiiHD aka Wii Hi Fi (or Wii HyFy ) having holographic storage?

This video is from 2 years ago next month. I'm sure they could have shrunken the tech down to something much smaller 3 years later (2011)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMoxb79FxQk

[Adrock]

Not going to happen, based on that video. Wouldn't that negate backwards compatibility? I remember suggesting that 3DS would be fine without backwards compatibility and everyone jumped down my throat after they were finished rubbing one off thinking about backwards compatibility.

It'd make more sense for Nintendo to go with Blu-Ray. You can argue that they'd be giving money to Sony, but the pros outweigh the cons. They have partners on the Blu-Ray Disc Association (Panasonic and Sharp). Nintendo should include DVD/Blu-Ray playback in their next console if only for Netflix.

[TJ Spyke]

If anything, Nintendo would make their own propriety disc format based on Blu-ray Disc (like they did with the Wii, it's the same storage size as a DVD but they don't have to pay royalties to the DVD Forum).

What does DVD playback ability have to do with Netflix? The only thing you need for Netflix support is a Internet connection.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Just because the video showed a cartridge 2 year ago doesn't mean it would still use one by next year.

And if Nintendo were to use that tech, we all know it would be the same model as InPhase would be selling to customers, it would be highly proprietary for the Wii2.
Don't forget that they have patented similar tech for use in the 3DS

If anything, Nintendo would make their own propriety disc format based on Blu-ray Disc (like they did with the Wii, it's the same storage size as a DVD but they don't have to pay royalties to the DVD Forum).

What does DVD playback ability have to do with Netflix? The only thing you need for Netflix support is a Internet connection.

I highly doubt Nintendo would support a competitors format. They are heavily invested in Holographic tech and would not use a BluRay drive when they could use a Holographic one in stead(which may even be backwards compatible depending on the lasers used).

[Adrock]

What does DVD playback ability have to do with Netflix? The only thing you need for Netflix support is a Internet connection.

Part of Netflix's rental program is that they send out these round, shiny plates at the subscriber's request called DVDs and Blu-Ray Discs that... wait for it... play movies! Incredible, right? Welcome to 2010, indeed! Glad to be of help. Thank me later.

[Chozo Ghost]

November 2011 would be the best time for the Wii's successor to come out. Even if this is just some bullshit rumor that is probably the time Nintendo will release the successor. But they may use a different name than "HiFi".

Ideally, the Wii's successor should leapfrog over the competition with a system which is more powerful than the PS3 or 360. Having a system that is "on par" with them won't cut it when the PS4 and 720 get released in the not so distant future. At the very least, the system should be 1.5 times more powerful than the competition. That way when the competition releases a system that's 2x as powerful then Nintendo won't be too far behind.

[Chozo Ghost]

If anything, Nintendo would make their own propriety disc format based on Blu-ray Disc (like they did with the Wii, it's the same storage size as a DVD but they don't have to pay royalties to the DVD Forum).

What does DVD playback ability have to do with Netflix? The only thing you need for Netflix support is a Internet connection.

Copyright infringement seems to be a big deal to Nintendo. That's why it would actually make sense if they dusted off the now dead HD-DVD format and went with that, if that's actually possible. HD-DVD drives and burners are now forgotten relics and extremely rare, so it would be extremely difficult for someone to make copies of games made on that format.

[BlackNMild2k1]

If you think about it Hi Fi is what my VCR said back in 1993.

I would prefer Wii HDii® over Hi Fi (HyFy) as it just sounds so much better and even captured another mass marketing buzz word right in the title with a little "Cuteness" for the casuals and soccer moms.

If anything, Nintendo would make their own propriety disc format based on Blu-ray Disc (like they did with the Wii, it's the same storage size as a DVD but they don't have to pay royalties to the DVD Forum).

What does DVD playback ability have to do with Netflix? The only thing you need for Netflix support is a Internet connection.

Copyright infringement seems to be a big deal to Nintendo. That's why it would actually make sense if they dusted off the now dead HD-DVD format and went with that, if that's actually possible. HD-DVD drives and burners are now forgotten relics and extremely rare, so it would be extremely difficult for someone to make copies of games made on that format.

Burners exist for the HDDVD format and it wouldn't be hard for someone to start making them again. It would be infinitely better for Nintendo to use a format that they for the most part own(InPhase/Nintendo Holograph Tech) and there is no way to even make copies of without million dollar equipment that they won't sell to just anybody.

[NWR_insanolord]

I've been saying Microsoft should use HD-DVD next time around for a while now; if Nintendo isn't going to go with their holographic stuff it makes sense for them too.

[Mop it up]

What does DVD playback ability have to do with Netflix? The only thing you need for Netflix support is a Internet connection.

Part of Netflix's rental program is that they send out these round, shiny plates at the subscriber's request called DVDs and Blu-Ray Discs that... wait for it... play movies! Incredible, right? Welcome to 2010, indeed! Glad to be of help. Thank me later.

I think what TJ Spyke was saying was that you don't need DVD playback for Netflix because of streaming. Though not all movies and shows are available on the streaming service, so you still need to get the DVDs, mostly for new releases.

Ideally, the Wii's successor should leapfrog over the competition with a system which is more powerful than the PS3 or 360.

As Wii has shown, at this point in technology, the average consumer doesn't really care about graphics or technical specs. At best, the next system will be on par with the XBox 360, but I have a feeling it will be slightly under it. The important thing is that Nintendo create something which allows for more gameplay possibilities like they have with Wii, it needs something special to attract consumers. Simply upping the specs and/or adding HD doesn't cut it.

[BlackNMild2k1]

I've been saying Microsoft should use HD-DVD next time around for a while now; if Nintendo isn't going to go with their holographic stuff it makes sense for them too.

I think it makes sense for MS to use it(a proprietary version) strictly for their games, because I don't see them supporting Bluray. But I would bet that MS would rather use Nintendo's holo tech before they went with outdated HD DVD as their format of choice.

Nintendo's Holo tech (should they have it ready for the next round) would be Affordable and Secure otherwise they wouldn't be using it. MS might want to double down on that with Nintendo and push for market acceptance there before it just handed the market to Sony without so much as a fight.

Bluray doesn't own the HD market yet and I don't think it's too late for HVD (of some sort) to get in on the action.

Ideally, the Wii's successor should leapfrog over the competition with a system which is more powerful than the PS3 or 360.

As Wii has shown, at this point in technology, the average consumer doesn't really care about graphics or technical specs. At best, the next system will be on par with the XBox 360, but I have a feeling it will be slightly under it. The important thing is that Nintendo create something which allows for more gameplay possibilities like they have with Wii, it needs something special to attract consumers. Simply upping the specs and/or adding HD doesn't cut it.

I think the Wii2 should aim for 1.5x the Theoretical max of PS3. That should be a significant enough boost going into the next gen.

[Chozo Ghost]

But I would bet that MS would rather use Nintendo's holo tech before they went with outdated HD DVD as their format of choice.

HD-DVD isn't outdated. It lost the format wars, but its on par with Blu-ray in terms of storage capacity and whatnot. Maybe because of it being a dead technology someone like Microsoft could just buy it outright and then revive it for their own proprietary ends (like video gaming formats). Phillips owns HD-DVD still, right? Microsoft could just go up to them with a few millions of dollars and say here, we'll take that dead format off your hands and we'll do something with it.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Bluray far out paces HDDVD in storage capacity.

I think HDDVD capped out at 4 layers 50GB before it died and Bluray I think they got upto 4 layer 100+GB last I checked.

HVD is single layer 100-200+GB.
It just wasn't ready for consumer consumption 4-5 years ago.

[NWR_insanolord]

100 GB is ridiculously overkill for a game. Most PS3 games don't come anywhere close to filling a 50 gig Bluray disc, and the ones that do only get there because they have way too many cinematics or have data on there multiple times to cut down on loading. Bluray is 25 GB per layer; HD-DVD is 15. Even at only 2 layers, the difference in capacity is pretty much  meaningless for games. Remember, the 360 only uses 9 GB DVDs and it's very rare for a game to need more than that.