Author Topic: Rev in Nov. Wha? (Read 19585 times)

ShyGuy · « **Reply #25 on:** May 27, 2005, 10:15:54 PM »

Well, before the pre-E3 press conference everyone expected Sony to launch the PS3 in Q4 06, I'm guessing Nintendo thought that too.

Then Microsoft starts hyping the Xbox-360 (which feels rushed by the way, like the DS felt rushed) and Sony got nervous and blurted out "Spring 2006!" Now Microsoft is scrambling and Sony is scrambling cause I'm guessing they got a lot of work to do before launch, and what should Nintendo do? Scramble as well? Miyamoto doesn't scramble.

In my opinion, it all depends on how well the Xbox 360 sells for Christmas this year (I'm betting MS will have a "shortage" to drive up hype and get mentioned on the news.) If it sells well, then the market is ready for Next Gen and Nintendo should worry. If it bombs, or is even Mediocre, then I bet Sony delays their spring '06 Launch and Nintendo can breathe a little easier.

MrMojoRising · « **Reply #26 on:** May 27, 2005, 10:54:40 PM »

I defineately agree with you shyguy that it all comes down to how the public reacts with the 360 and even PS3. If Rev really doesn't come out until November 06 then the best scenario would be if 360 and PS3 haven't really taken off yet and people make their decision about whcih console for the holliday season. Who's the new kid on the block? Yep Donnie Wallberg...or no the Revolution rather, and likely with a lower price tag.

However on the "glass is half empty" side, if people do dive right in to the next generation then Nintendo could very well be proverbially F'd in the A. But then again with the full glass there is some truth to what my friend from the south said (sorry again about the texas jokes in the other thread), "The Revolution will need to be on store shelves before 12/01/2006 (for the American launch).....if Nintendo can pull that off they will be ok."

Micro$oft...did it work...is my post a train wreck?

ThePerm · « **Reply #27 on:** May 27, 2005, 11:04:06 PM »

i dont think specs will really have that much of an effect next gen...its going to be very hard to tell. Plus people will see the games and the box and after that point it doesnt even rally matter. I mean ps2 was number 1 and by comparison it had the worse quality graphics.

BrianSLA · « **Reply #28 on:** May 28, 2005, 12:58:45 AM »

I am not the biggest Nintendo fan BUT I am going to stand up for it now. NO Nintendo isn't F'd big time if it launches last or its the weakest and launches last. AS you Nintendophiles like to point out it is the most profittable, it does seem to have the most die hard fanboys AND ABOVE ALL ELSE NINTENDO HAS NINTENDO! You Nintendo fanboys want Nintendo games by Nintendo... you guys will get exactly that. WHAT you won't get is first place or second place in the console wars.... AGAIN. Nintendo doesn't have the bucks, it doesn't have the power, it doesn't have the games, it doesn't have the wider MATURE gamer fan base, etc. I had hoped that the Revolution would be a Nintendo Revolution in that it widened it's gamer base to include the mature audience but it doesn't appear so. I wouldn't be surprised if the revolution sold less than the Gamecube in the end... BUT hopefully it will still be profittable & still be Nintendo instead of a Sony or Microsoft clone.

Michael8983 · « **Reply #29 on:** May 28, 2005, 01:48:48 AM »

This last generation, Sony had a year-long head-start (even longer in Japan) and a competitor-free holiday season all to itself before Nintendo even got started. This generation, it will at most have a few months head-start (and no holiday season) on Nintendo and, unlike last time, it won't be free from of competition at any point thanks to MS releasing so early.
It's pretty clear that Sony isn't going to have the same type of advantage this generation it had in the previous which can only be good news for Nintendo. Even if Nintendo does come in third again, at least Sony won't be WAY out in front again. Things will at least be more evenly matched.
Of course the Japanese market is where things will really be shaken up. With the Xbox a non-factor and such a huge head-start over Nintendo, the PS2 basically monopolized the console market over there. Things will be different this time around. Even if Sony still wins, the Rev is bound to be more successful than the Gamecube in Japan which means more support from Japanese third-parties which will help it all over the world.

Mario · « **Reply #30 on:** May 28, 2005, 02:56:59 AM »

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I had hoped that the Revolution would be a Nintendo Revolution in that it widened it's gamer base to include the mature audience but it doesn't appear so.

What? Why not?

stevey · « **Reply #31 on:** May 28, 2005, 05:41:29 AM »

November/December is the time to launch a console

Didn't pgc say somewere a few weaks ago the the rev will come out in 2-3Q of 06

Sony BETTER consider Nintendo a competitor

no let them dreamcast the xbox 1.5 with there hyping legen of fan (xbox die-ing is good for nintendo so help it happen)

"honestly i think the time it takes to devlop a game is going to cut in half...with better graphics comes less and less the need to optimize. "

you can be more worge with better graphics it take one presone 4 week to make one charater game are going to take the some time to make as doom 3 halflive 2 (6 year). Plus ms and sony want to chrage $70 a game .

trip1eX · « **Reply #32 on:** May 28, 2005, 07:08:02 AM »

Is this is a suprise? Nintendo said next E3 will be the Revolution's E3.

wandering · « **Reply #33 on:** May 28, 2005, 12:37:34 PM »

Why is this a problem, even if it is true? Christmas is all that really matters. If they launch in November, Nintendo will have the latest, greatest, newest, newsworthiest next-gen console for the holiday season, which shouldn't hurt them at all. Even if the (undoubtably overpriced, understocked) PS3 launches in the spring or summer, Nintendo could still do very well.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #34 on:** May 28, 2005, 08:55:48 PM »

"You Nintendo fanboys want Nintendo games by Nintendo... you guys will get exactly that. WHAT you won't get is first place or second place in the console wars.... AGAIN."

Man, what a downer. That's the sort of assumption that I think is what will eventually kill Nintendo. Fans don't react favourably to the realization that their team will never have a chance of winning the cup. When the Cube was first shown these forums were full of optimism. The general feeling early on was that by going with optical discs, and thus being on even ground with Sony, Nintendo was going to make a comeback. With Rev I'm seeing two feelings. The first one is that Nintendo can make a comeback but won't if they screw a bunch of stuff up. That's my general feeling. The second is the feeling that Nintendo is never going to be "back" ever again. Most people who have the second feeling seem to accept it. I guess they would have to or they wouldn't still be here.

Potential greatness is what builds hype and it helps sells consoles. Without that feeling that Nintendo can do better Nintendo has no momentum at all. Nintendo fans should have this attitude that Nintendo is going to come back and is going to kick ass. I'm not seeing that on this forum. I see concern of potential failure and acceptance of certain failure. The Rec can't succeed if Nintendo's fans are not confident in its future success. If Nintendo fans don't believe no one will. By the end of this year Nintendo has to get us all on the same wavelength. We must all be confident in the Revolution. Sorry to go off topic a bit there but I felt it was important to point out that "Nintendo is going to lose anyway" is not a good attitude.

"The day after Turkey day (in 2006) is 12/01/2006."

That's my 25th birthday. I was still a teenager when they Cube launched. Damn I feel like a geezer.

Deguello · « **Reply #35 on:** May 28, 2005, 09:53:58 PM »

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I'm not seeing that on this forum. I see concern of potential failure and acceptance of certain failure.

Ian, that's mostly just you.

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #36 on:** May 28, 2005, 09:58:37 PM »

Ian, I don't think any of us expect Nintendo to lose; some of us just have different definitions of winning. Yours seems to be "sell the most consoles". Mine is "have the best games", which means Nintendo's already winning because the GC has some of my favorite games ever.

It's not that we accept failure... if the Rev doesn't have good games, I'm not buying it. But I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen.

MrMojoRising · « **Reply #37 on:** May 28, 2005, 10:42:14 PM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"You Nintendo fanboys want Nintendo games by Nintendo... you guys will get exactly that. WHAT you won't get is first place or second place in the console wars.... AGAIN."

Man, what a downer. That's the sort of assumption that I think is what will eventually kill Nintendo. Fans don't react favourably to the realization that their team will never have a chance of winning the cup.

With the unpredictability in this world (the general world, and the video game world) I find it unwise to say so assuredly that Nintendo will never be in first or second place ever again. Remember, only a Sith deals in absolutes. I want Nintendo to do well but not too well...I honestly feel special having a system that's not the most popular, I know thats shallow or something but it's the truth. I would love it if Nintendo was in second place in the US behind the 360 and in second place in Japan behind PS3, and world-wide all of the consoles were fairly even...that would be awesome. I'm aware that's a pipe dream, but you know it would rock!

Oh and, "Nintendo doesn't have the bucks, it doesn't have the power, it doesn't have the games, it doesn't have the wider MATURE gamer fan base, etc." You were just talking about how they rake in profit...how don't they have the bucks? I think I speak for everyone on this board when I ask, how doesn't Nintendo have the games? and it doesn't have the wider mature gamer fan base yet...but we'll see how things go. Revolution seems like something of a Nintendo revolution to me: Fully online, sleek system, not purple. They came to play this generation. Plus fanbases are expanding, I think Nintendo is very friendly towards non-gamers, with familiar franchises and such. Maybe not towards the "cool" "hip-hop" non-gamers, but defineately female ones, and older (as in late thirties and beyond) people. Plus this group of twenty somethings that make up the main video game market are going to start having kids, and they just might start looking towards something more family friendly. If Nintendo can manage to dip enough into the "mature" market without brandishing it's family friendly image it could really take some names.

jasonditz · « **Reply #38 on:** May 29, 2005, 07:15:59 AM »

And there's a difference between not having Mature titles and not attracting 16 year old kids with nose rings and blue hair that seem for some reason to be the deciding factor in whether or not a console is "mature".

I mean, Resident Evil 4 and Eternal Darkness are nothing to sneeze at. Neither was marketed particularly well, but there's no question they were some of the better "mature" titles of this generation.

And sure, Mario hasn't shot a hooker yet. And he probably never well. And maybe that's a horrible shame, who knows.

Pale · « **Reply #39 on:** May 29, 2005, 03:10:39 PM »

The thing you need to realize Ian, is that there is a certain LARGE faction of the current gaming crop that will not buy a Nintendo console no matter what. These are the typs of people that, even if both Sony and MS pulled out of the console race they would just say "Video games suck now." Nintendo's only hope is that this faction shrinks, which will happen.... and my prediction is about the middle of the next generation.

ThePerm · « **Reply #40 on:** May 29, 2005, 04:43:28 PM »

i had my friend over..and its amazing how people misunderstand info.

nickmitch · « **Reply #41 on:** May 29, 2005, 09:05:32 PM »

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Originally posted by: Pale
The thing you need to realize Ian, is that there is a certain LARGE faction of the current gaming crop that will not buy a Nintendo console no matter what. These are the typs of people that, even if both Sony and MS pulled out of the console race they would just say "Video games suck now." Nintendo's only hope is that this faction shrinks, which will happen.... and my prediction is about the middle of the next generation.

Yeah, unless Reggie caps dem mofos!

Dirk Temporo · « **Reply #42 on:** May 30, 2005, 11:32:29 AM »

So...

Anyone know what happened to Nintendo's crusade to "launch before the PS3"?

LuWoo75 · « **Reply #43 on:** May 30, 2005, 11:44:06 AM »

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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
So...

Anyone know what happened to Nintendo's crusade to "launch before the PS3"?

I think they wanted to beat PS3 to the punch. The thing is the PS3 dosen't have a definate launch date yet soo......... who knows.

Caillan · « **Reply #44 on:** May 30, 2005, 11:55:38 AM »

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Anyone know what happened to Nintendo's crusade to "launch before the PS3"?

I seem to recall Iwata, in a recent interview, emphasising that it's important not to launch too late. Rather than emphasise that it's important to launch before the PS3. I personally don't think it matters too much as long Nintendo launches about two months or so of the PS3.

Dirk Temporo · « **Reply #45 on:** May 30, 2005, 02:14:07 PM »

I was more asking why they aren't on that crusade anymore. A month ago, they were throwing the "before PS3" release date around like it was nothing, and now they've stopped talking, and we have no idea. Anybody know why it changed?

Arbok · « **Reply #46 on:** May 30, 2005, 02:31:19 PM »

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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
I was more asking why they aren't on that crusade anymore. A month ago, they were throwing the "before PS3" release date around like it was nothing, and now they've stopped talking, and we have no idea. Anybody know why it changed?

Possibly beacuse they had no idea when the PS3 was actually going to launch, hell for that matter no one still does yet. Nintendo probably had a set date for the system, and just didn't expect for Sony to try and steal some of the Xbox360's thunder by pushing for a closer release.

mantidor · « **Reply #47 on:** May 30, 2005, 05:27:22 PM »

Theres even an older interview with Iwata in which he states that they expected to get the Rev out in the months surrounding the launch of the ps3, being released one of two months wouldnt be too late.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #48 on:** June 01, 2005, 06:19:58 AM »

Nintendo is by no means screwed if it launches Revolution next Christmas, but I do think it will be that much harder.

My personal beef with this is that the Cube is going to be long dead before November. Unlike the end of the Super NES and N64 lifespans, this time I actually have the money to buy two consoles, so why shouldn't I buy an Xbox 360 if Nintendo is barely offering me any new games for 11 months? I'm a patient guy so I probably won't buy another system, but a lot of other Nintendo fans must be tired of this routine too, and not everyone is willing to replay old or missed games all year.

I was really excited back when Nintendo was talking about matching or beating the PS3 launch. I thought it was nice to finally see Nintendo taking some serious initiative to compete, instead of releasing its system last for the fourth generation in a row. I think Iwata was right when he said that always launching systems late has cost Nintendo. Even if Xbox 360 remains underwhelming, it will have a significant lead on the Revolution by the time it comes out, and that lead will only grow as Nintendo delays the system.

Of course quality games should be the first priority, and if that means waiting until November, then so be it; I was just hoping that Nintendo was prepared to do a little better than that with the Revolution.

Plugabugz · « **Reply #49 on:** June 01, 2005, 08:00:52 AM »

"Sources" to Nintendo say that it's to "follow the DS Strategy", meaning the Revolution will launch March 2007 in Europe.

If that's the case they should not bother launching in Europe entirely.

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Author Topic: Rev in Nov. Wha? (Read 19585 times)