Topic: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!

[smallsharkbigbite]

This is HUGE.  We won.  MS got rid of it before it even came out.  The buying public didn't reject the concept for it never was tested with them.  The negative reaction at E3 from just a small chunk of the target market was enough to make MS change their minds.

Thought I'm not immediately going to jump on the Xbone bandwagon because of this.  This affects the Wii U pretty significantly as it seemed that Nintendo was going to finish at least second by default but now that isn't the case.  Nintendo would have benefitted greatly from MS trying this and having it fail miserably in the marketplace.

The public may have rejected this.  Pre-orders have been available for one week and most retailers were probably given extremely small launch numbers.  They probably expected retailers to start calling and asking for larger launch numbers and no one has. 


The majority of the public doesn't look online at this news and probably never knew the mess that the xbox one could have been.  But this is still really damaging to me.  It makes me think that as soon as Microsoft can switch on the DRM they will.  It also makes me think they will think of another way to make the DRM work but sneak it in so it's not so abundantly clear what they are trying to do.  I'm still likely to get a PS4 and not an Xbox One.  Maybe exclusives and time will convince me, but I'm more wary of Microsoft and their plans than before. 

[shingi_70]

something about this seems off... idk something doesn't feel right for them to announce this a little over a week past e3

something seems fishy

I'm guessing it was the feedback from the armed forces. You can't be the America box and not support the troops.
The UI looks cool I guess.


 
 
 

[pokepal148]

but microsoft could have made some arrangement with them,

[Shorty McNostril]

something about this seems off... idk something doesn't feel right for them to announce this a little over a week past e3

something seems fishy

They didn't have a choice.  They were getting universally panned. 

[Shaymin]

There were (anecdotal) reports of 8:1 ratios of PS4/Xbone preorders at major stores. That probably did all the talking.

Still, the Xbone isn't as powerful, is $100 more, and it comes with its own Ceiling Cat functionality. NO BUYS.

[BlackNMild2k1]

this news makes my thread title change behind the times....

gonna have to come up with a new one.

[shingi_70]

All hail the Pope.

[pokepal148]

this news makes my thread title change behind the times....

gonna have to come up with a new one.

just add "nah just kidding"  at the end

[Shaymin]

* Shaymin looks at Shinji's post

... f**k it, I got nothing.

[shingi_70]

The packages look nice at least,
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I think some of the Kinect and Smartglass integration is cool but can become annoying. Dead Rising 3 uses Kinect to alert zombies to movement it heres in your home. So if you have kids or pets consider yourself fucked. The smartglass integration is kind of cool since it turns your real phone/Tablet into what would be the in game Phone.
 
 

[MagicCow64]

This is pretty damn surprising. They announced this stuff vaguely, got pounded on it, revealed the specifics at E3, got pounded harder, and then turn around on a dime. I assumed they were taking the PR hit because this was the plan, locking that **** down.

I mean, they must have had most of an infrastructure in place to track the DRM/sharing/used sales stuff, both on a hardware and software level, not to mention getting all of the systems in place for retailers. They must be taking a fucking bath on this.

And then there's the publishers. You know most of them wanted it. Who caved first?

[Shorty McNostril]

Don Mattrick's first draft of the update announcement.

http://www.dorkly.com/article/52521/don-mattricks-first-draft-of-the-xbox-one-update-announcement

[shingi_70]

While I did hate the DRM, there are aspects of this that are going to keep us in the status quo instead of looking too the future.
 
-No more Quick Game switching unless you download all your game. (similar to PS4)
-No more game sharing with 10 people of your choice
-No more disc based purchased being counted as downloaded purchases like steam.
 
So while the DRM did suck for most of the audience, it did have tangabile benefits for a industry that will eventually go mostly digital in the first place. Microoft gambled with being the first to try and steamafiy the console space but made miss calculations (if there would be a internet check it should be a month like steam), fortunately the gamer consumers made their complaints heard and its going to be a better product for 90% of the market, however it does have some negatives that kills the adoption of digital content for gaming, whears were seeing other mediums growing due it.
 
So in conclusion a step back for the Industry, but a step forward for consumers which is a better thing in the long run.

[Ceric]

If Microsoft wanted the original scheme they shouldn't have half-assed it.  Should have went Digital only and lengthen the check-in.  Just a quick phone home for long term offline to lock your account from use on other systems till your back online.

[Adrock]

Can Microsoft potentially reverse the DRM features down the line? For example, in 2015 when there are millions of One units in homes, can they just switch all this stuff back on and require a system update or you can no longer access Xbox Live? I feel like in the fine print of the Terms of Use, there's going to be some vague clause that allows them to do this.

[Ceric]

Can Microsoft potentially reverse the DRM features down the line? For example, in 2015 when there are millions of One units in homes, can they just switch all this stuff back on and require a system update or you can no longer access Xbox Live? I feel like in the fine print of the Terms of Use, there's going to be some vague clause that allows them to do this.

Yes.  Yes they can.  Its all Software.  MS has shown they have no problem changing the Consoles look and Feel with the 360 and it looks like they put an out in there contract.

[Oblivion]

Can Microsoft potentially reverse the DRM features down the line? For example, in 2015 when there are millions of One units in homes, can they just switch all this stuff back on and require a system update or you can no longer access Xbox Live? I feel like in the fine print of the Terms of Use, there's going to be some vague clause that allows them to do this.

Most definitely. Would they? Doubtful, considering the shitstorm that would ensue would make this one look like a tea party.

[smallsharkbigbite]

Most definitely. Would they? Doubtful, considering the shitstorm that would ensue would make this one look like a tea party.

Microsoft will let go of some of these ideas, but I could see them introducing some new drm in 3 years that works with new games. I also believe they will go digital only with some big releases during this gen.

[shingi_70]

Pretty sure Killer Insitcnt is going to digital only with a retail copy probably coming with the Mad Catz fightstick for the One.

[pokepal148]

Can Microsoft potentially reverse the DRM features down the line? For example, in 2015 when there are millions of One units in homes, can they just switch all this stuff back on and require a system update or you can no longer access Xbox Live? I feel like in the fine print of the Terms of Use, there's going to be some vague clause that allows them to do this.

Most definitely. Would they? Doubtful, considering the shitstorm that would ensue would make this one look like a tea party.

i could see them finding an excuse to bring one or two things in down the line... but not the whole deal...

the UI does look nice... it also looks like the exact same one i could get on my desktop if i were stupid enough to put windows 8 on a PC that is well over 8 years old.

[Ian Sane]

stoIntroducing all the DRM features years into the future on existing Xbox One users would be a PR disaster.  They would be insanely dumb to do that.  I honestly feel it would poison the Xbox brand.  All the reasons to have backpeddled here still apply for introducing it later.

The whole thing is pointless becaues the used game "problem" is going to go away anyway as the industry moves to digital only which will happen because the general public will want it.  Microsoft's whole initial plan showed a lack of patience.  There was no point in all this bad PR because they were just forcing that which will come naturally in time.  Once the public embraces digital only and demands it they will lose their rights to used games and not even notice.  Why push it on them when with some patience they'll eventually ASK you to do it?

[magicpixie]

Pete Dodd's For Your FYI podcast brings up a good point.  All of these "features" that MS had built to offset the negatives of their online DRM don't have to be completely scrapped.  Family sharing could(and, imo, should) still be a feature for digital downloads.  Used sales can still be implemented for digital games.  There is some sentiment of anger toward the No DRM movement for forcing MS's hand in removing these features, but, ultimately, it is entirely MS's decision to remove them.  If they kept some of these features for digital, they wouldn't lose all that hard work they put into building the system's infrastructure, they would just need to rework it.  Keeping those features for digital would provide an incentive for people to purchase online, which is presumably what all platforms want anyway.

Anyway, oddly enough, this announcement has swayed me away from a PS4 @ launch.  Now, I'll be sticking to my PC and "last-gen" for about another year.

[Ian Sane]

Looking around other game sites there is a surprisingly large amount of people upset that MS has changed their tune.  Since that isn't the case here I was quite shocked to see that.

Ultimately the argument in favour of this stuff is that the individual likes the new features these restrictions permitted and they feel that losing some consumer rights is a worthy tradeoff.  My beef with this argument is that we're not talking about YOU giving up your rights, we're talking about EVERYBODY.  Just because those rights don't matter to you doesn't mean they don't matter to others.  Is it even remotely fair to ask everybody to give up their rights for a feature that you specifically want?  It is insanely selfish and I wonder if the pro-DRM people are even realizing exactly what they're saying.

The fact that this forum is pretty unanimous in its dislike of the original restrictions makes me respect the members of it all the more.

[pokepal148]

ian can you get us a link to one of those sites, I wanna play fallacy bingo

[shingi_70]

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Just to name a few. Tech sites will also get hard at the concept of the one and they probably explode if you slap a apple logo on it. Those guys don't ezisit in the same technological reality as the rest of the world does.