Topic: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!

[Kytim89]

Not to troll this thread, but unless Microsoft recants all of their rules for the Xbox One then there is no way in Hell I will ever own one.

[broodwars]

Not to troll this thread, but unless Microsoft recants all of their rules for the Xbox One then there is no way in Hell I will ever own one.

"We have a system for people who think there's no way in hell they'll buy an Xbox One. It's called an Xbox 360."

[BranDonk Kong]

Get banned from XBL with XBone, lose all of your games that you paid for. This seems like it should actually be illegal, this is theft on Microsoft's behalf.

[NWR_insanolord]

I'm sure it's in the EULA.

[BranDonk Kong]

It probably will be, but it's still a ridiculous policy. That's part of the absurdity of having to be online all the time. There's no reason to ever buy a disc with this system.

I'm not sure what will lead to console bans with this system (assuming they finally get anti-piracy protection done right), but if people start getting banned by the hundreds of thousands like they did with Xbox 360, and losing all of the content that they actually paid for, then I see this leading to a huge class-action lawsuit that Microsoft will lose.

[UncleBob]

Amazon does the same thing with their digital storefront.  And there's some pretty hard core stories out there about Amazon shutting down the accounts of family members and such that aren't even in the same state as the person who's account got banned.

If there's been a successful lawsuit against Amazon yet, I haven't heard of it.

[BranDonk Kong]

That's shitty too, but Joe Shmoe probably doesn't realize that when they buy a disc at the store that they could have that content essentially stolen from them by Microsoft if their kid does something stupid with the console one day. I imagine with the Next Xbox you'll have to hop a plane to Redmond and play it in front of Steve Ballmer or you can't play it at all.

[magicpixie]

It probably will be, but it's still a ridiculous policy. That's part of the absurdity of having to be online all the time. There's no reason to ever buy a disc with this system.

I'm not sure what will lead to console bans with this system (assuming they finally get anti-piracy protection done right), but if people start getting banned by the hundreds of thousands like they did with Xbox 360, and losing all of the content that they actually paid for, then I see this leading to a huge class-action lawsuit that Microsoft will lose.

I agree.  Oh wait, what's this?.

Though, clauses like that aren't anything new, really.  And I'm not certain if they hold up in court.

[pokepal148]

so are they going to require xbox live gold for the checkups

also... will live be tied to the console itself or will we still have to buy a separate subscription for each account?

[Adrock]

Yeah, that can get the **** out of my face.

[UncleBob]

That's shitty too, but Joe Shmoe probably doesn't realize that when they buy a disc at the store that they could have that content essentially stolen from them by Microsoft if their kid does something stupid with the console one day.

I don't disagree - and that's one of the reasons I'm not a huge fan of digital delivery.  However, "I didn't realize I agreed to it" isn't something that holds up in court a lot.

[Spak-Spang]

The problem is Microsoft believes in these policies...and not until they see that these measures actually will result in them losing potential buyers they will not change them. 

Essentially it is another test of the consumers.  Will consumers actually stand up against a company and refuse the product in mass numbers, or will consumers buckle once again to a company providing a product that is less than consumer friendly.

The unfortunate thing is, we don't know the numbers of how many buyers are going to refuse this product or just talk about refusing.  Nor do we know how many buyers Microsoft is willing to lose and keep this policy.

[smallsharkbigbite]

In general, consumers seem to be poorly informed.  I could see xbox 1s initial sales not suffering because people don't understand that Microsoft is turning a disc into a license.  I think their will be a strong backlash when they go to sell the game, or look for its games in a used store, and find out that used discs are worthless. 

[TJ Spyke]

Considering you have to sign in every 24 hours to keep playing your game, I thought it would have been obvious that you lose your games if you get banned since you can no longer sign in. Besides, most people get banned from Xbox Live for modding their systems or being a total douche online.

[BranDonk Kong]

Considering you have to sign in every 24 hours to keep playing your game, I thought it would have been obvious that you lose your games if you get banned since you can no longer sign in. Besides, most people get banned from Xbox Live for modding their systems or being a total douche online.

If being a total douche got you banned from XBox Live, the service would not exist.


I really can't see myself buying this system, each time something new is revealed, it makes it seem even worse.

[TJ Spyke]

People have to get reported enough. But my point is that almost everyone who gets banned from Xbox Live get banned for a legit reason and are the types to know better.

[Shaymin]

Except the people who get hacked because Microsoft and EA have **** security and it apparently takes a month and a half to get the account in working order.

[pokepal148]

so Tj,  what happens to my games when Microsoft shuts down all of the servers for online checkups...?

[nickmitch]

Well, that's gonna be at least a few years down the line. MS seems to want to move everything to the cloud with a "future proof" platform. So, it would reason that the servers would run indefinitely.

[Stogi]

Does anyone get the feeling that hackers are just going to devour this xbone?

[pokepal148]

ooh xbox live going down for over half a month would be amazing... I don't think I have enough popcorn for that

[Spak-Spang]

I could imagine an attack by hackers, just because of the anti-consumer policies of Microsoft...like a screw you MS. 

[ejamer]

Tried to keep my tongue in check, but I sincerely hope XBone crashes and burns so that we don't see this type of ownership practice become the standard. This system represents everything I don't want in a gaming console, neatly wrapped up in one ugly little box.


That said, 360 had abysmal failure rates but people didn't care. They would just double down (or triple, or quad, or...) and keep playing.  Somehow I doubt things will be different this time around - especially if it sells well initially and gets third party support.  "Madden and my buddies? What other console comes close to touching that?!"


Also agree that XBone seems like a great target for hackers. Anti-consumer policies. Opportunity to cause massive grief with something as "small" as a weekend server outage. Surely MS knows that and is prepared... but if not, things could get ugly really fast.

[TJ Spyke]

I don't support illegal things like hacking Xbox Live, especially as all that does is hurt other consumers. If you don't like practices Microsoft is doing, just don't buy the Xbox One and encourage others to do the same. Doing stuff like hacking Xbox Live is just saying you are a douche and want other consumers to suffer.

[ejamer]

I don't support illegal things like hacking Xbox Live, especially as all that does is hurt other consumers. If you don't like practices Microsoft is doing, just don't buy the Xbox One and encourage others to do the same. Doing stuff like hacking Xbox Live is just saying you are a douche and want other consumers to suffer.

Who is supporting or encouraging hackers?


Saying that the XBone console looks like a bright red bulls-eye for attracting a certain class of hackers isn't the same as supporting anyone who is actually doing the hacking. If anything, it's just stating the obvious.


The existence of people who cause grief to others just because they can isn't nothing new or unusual - especially when it comes to games and online services. Just because something is selfish or hurtful doesn't mean it's not a common occurrence... which is exactly why the possible effects of hacking are worth talking about when considering the merits and faults of XBone.