Topic: XboxOne ~News/Rumor/Speculation~ Biggest Console Released This Gen!!

[Mannypon]

The Xbox One controller has a new proprietary slot, so IGN speculates that there will be new headsets designed specifically for it and that they could be even better.

Sweet, so a headset that serves no other purpose outside of the Xbone?  I hope this means they'll overcharge for what would be the equivalent of an average headset otherwise.  I was wondering if they'll follow up on these practices after their amazing hardrive and usb wifi dongles that were releases for the 360.  MS never disappoints. 

[pokepal148]

don't forget your extended warranty...

[NeoThunder]

It's very simple. Instead of charging people who buy used games. Charge people who want to play the game without putting the disk in. Just have it function like the 360 does already when you install a game. Easy, simple, now watch Microsoft not do it...

[oohhboy]

The amount of backlash (Soon to become blowback) for the Xbone is near universal. Even professional sites like Gamasutra had bile and venom in their posts. The only way they could have done worse in that reveal was to commit terrorism.

No amount of backpedal is going to help. They have lost the trust of their supporters.

[Oblivion]

Yet the rest of the more casual gaming world will continue to buy this **** up. The typical ten year old who begs his mom to buy him the system for Christmas will not give a ****. They'll continue to get their new copy of CoD every year until the next system.

[shingi_70]

The amount of backlash (Soon to become blowback) for the Xbone is near universal. Even professional sites like Gamasutra had bile and venom in their posts. The only way they could have done worse in that reveal was to commit terrorism.

No amount of backpedal is going to help. They have lost the trust of their supporters.

But outside the gaming bubble i'm seeing disappointingly enough positive response. Still there is enough time to trn the boat around from a gamers perspective.

[shingi_70]

The Xbox One controller has a new proprietary slot, so IGN speculates that there will be new headsets designed specifically for it and that they could be even better.

Sweet, so a headset that serves no other purpose outside of the Xbone?  I hope this means they'll overcharge for what would be the equivalent of an average headset otherwise.  I was wondering if they'll follow up on these practices after their amazing hardrive and usb wifi dongles that were releases for the 360.  MS never disappoints. 

Well unless you just decide to get a bluetooth headset like most guys. This will suck for the awesome looking turtle beach ones,

[lolmonade]

I'm not Microsoft's target market if the announcement was indicative of the focus they're taking with the Xbox One, but I have some curiosity over the "used games" rumors.
 
If "purchasing" your friends' license for a game forces you to pay full price ($60), I see it as a big turn-off.  But if you could set your own price that you could sell it to a friend, then I would be interested to see how the consumers handle it. 
 
Microsoft could set up an amazon-esque store where when you pull up the game, you could buy a digital license from microsoft directly, and then below there would be users selling their copy for various prices.  Publishers get the normal cut for the copy bought from microsoft, but if it's a used sale, they get a lower percentage of the cost of those sales.  This could possibly incentivize publishers to put the official copy on sale, limiting how many "used" licenses are sold, and by increasing the amount of purchases tied to accounts, this lowers the assumed value of the used copies due to the higher number of copies out there tied to accounts. 
 
I doubt this would happen, but I'd love to see what kind of impact that would have on the marketplace.  I don't have anything against the Gamestops of the world, but this is obviously a decision made to undercut their sales more than anything, and i'd wish console makers would at least try to make these restrictions as attractive as possible.

[stevey]

Horrible name, horrible design, horrible DRM, horrible games, horrible marketing, horrible gimmick, and not to mention:


€599

Even for a placeholder, that's horrible price to be advertised as. I think Microsoft has a lock for the 21th Blunder of the Century title with this one.

[Fatty The Hutt]

This from IGN:
"Another nugget of information: you also can't turn off Kinect's microphone, says hardware program manager John Link (via Polygon). It's always listening"
So, yeah, that's creepy
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/05/22/xbox-one-what-we-do-and-dont-know

[pokepal148]

        big brother is watching

[magicpixie]

Having been PC gaming almost exclusively for about 8 months now, I feel almost inured to this revelation by MS.  Honestly, if MS had said they were going all digital, would the outrage over possibly losing used sales have been the same?  Maybe.  The outrage of losing retail copies, I feel, would have definitely been much greater.  I think a lot of this used game discussion is happening as a result of MS having to tiptoe the line between going all digital, and keeping retailers happy.

I find it quite amusing how much I'm hearing the "I'll stick to Steam, thanks" sentiment considering that it's essentially just another DRM scheme.  It highlights how little people trust MS to do the right thing when it comes to consumers.  I feel that although Steam is technically DRM, and although Valve has so much control, it has overall been a great development for PC gaming.  There is hardly a day that goes by where I'm not looking at the Steam store hoping for something great to go on sale.  Will MS follow Steam's pricing model?  Who knows.  If they do, will people still be as upset as they are now?  There are still a lot of questions that need to be answered.

To be completely honest, I wasn't expecting new consoles from Sony or MS at all this year.  I thought that despite the old consoles getting a bit long in the tooth, they were going to wait it out one more year.  I don't know if MS was caught off-guard by how well Sony's announcement was received, but this reveal definitely gave me the impression that they were running a bit behind.  Perhaps that is why there have been mixed messages being sent from MS officials.

Also, regarding Kinect always being on: that's kinda hot...  Time to bust out the S&M gear!

[Shorty McNostril]

Even for a placeholder, that's horrible price to be advertised as. I think Microsoft has a lock for the 21th Blunder of the Century title with this one.

Australia has the placeholder at about $899.

[MagicCow64]

I'm not Microsoft's target market if the announcement was indicative of the focus they're taking with the Xbox One, but I have some curiosity over the "used games" rumors.
 
If "purchasing" your friends' license for a game forces you to pay full price ($60), I see it as a big turn-off.  But if you could set your own price that you could sell it to a friend, then I would be interested to see how the consumers handle it. 
 
Microsoft could set up an amazon-esque store where when you pull up the game, you could buy a digital license from microsoft directly, and then below there would be users selling their copy for various prices.  Publishers get the normal cut for the copy bought from microsoft, but if it's a used sale, they get a lower percentage of the cost of those sales.  This could possibly incentivize publishers to put the official copy on sale, limiting how many "used" licenses are sold, and by increasing the amount of purchases tied to accounts, this lowers the assumed value of the used copies due to the higher number of copies out there tied to accounts. 
 
I doubt this would happen, but I'd love to see what kind of impact that would have on the marketplace.  I don't have anything against the Gamestops of the world, but this is obviously a decision made to undercut their sales more than anything, and i'd wish console makers would at least try to make these restrictions as attractive as possible.

The problem is, though, that there's no difference between a new and used copy. It's all just paying for a license at this point (outside of the negligible cost of the disk). Why should Microsoft allow users to sell a license for less than new, just because they previously bought it? There's no real market to be made on used copies because there's no actual scarcity (this is a problem for a lot of things). The only way this could not be entirely anti-consumer is if the game publishers had total control over the license fee, but that's basically just the price anyway -- would EA rather lower the universal price for a game to $30 after two months, or take its chances on locking out "used" games and making up for the loss of volume in premium pricing?

This all strikes me as extremely untested price discrimination scheming and liable to be a disaster.

[pokepal148]

ready... FIGHT!!!

[Traveller]

Buying physical will be pointless on this system. May as well download everything, they are the same thing..

[NWR_insanolord]

The physical copies are only there for people with download caps and people who want to have things up on a shelf.

[Ceric]

The physical copies are only there for people with download caps and people who want to have things up on a shelf.

This.
Physical copies are just a compromise.  Just like computer software.  From, get this, A computer Software company.

[ymeegod]

A new update on reselling:

"A gamer walks into a retailer and hands over the game they wish to sell. This will only be possible at retailers who have agreed to Microsoft’s T&Cs and more importantly integrated Microsoft’s cloud-based Azure pre-owned system into its own.

 The game is then registered as having been trade-in on Microsoft’s system. The consumer who handed it over will subsequently see the game wiped from their account – hence the until now ambiguous claim from Phil Harrison that the Xbox One would have to ‘check in’ to Microsoft’s servers every 24 hours.

 The retailer can then sell the pre-owned game at whatever price they like, although as part of the system the publisher of the title in question will automatically receive a percentage cut of the sale. As will Microsoft. The retailer will pocket the rest."

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Still don't know the %fee MS has in stock but I'm guessing it's the $6-8 range or what MS normally get for royalty charge per/disc anyhow. 

[NWR_insanolord]

It still sucks, but that's about as well as they could have handled it. It would seem to cut person-to-person sales out of the equation entirely, though. eBay's out; Amazon may be able to rig something up.

[oohhboy]

MS continues climbing the ladder of crazy. Patents achievements for watching TV.


Edit: added LOLz.

[TJ Spyke]

MS continues climbing the ladder of crazy. Patents achievements for watching TV.

Microsoft has already done similar stuff before, like giving you exclusive Avatar items if you watched 2 of the 3 presidential debates through Xbox Live.

[shingi_70]

They also had those Kinect nu-ads where the ad is interactive when you have Kinect. The advertisement avatar items are pretty crappy as well.
 
This means Microsoft would own the Used Market and gains money from it. Can't see Sony not doing it if they can make money off of what they usully wouldn't.
 
I also don't think this product will be a failure like most gamers will. I told a few friends about the used games and quasi always on and they just shrugged it off like it didn't matter. Even the Kinect stuff didn't seem that bad seeing as most people in my age group (21) doesn't care about privacy like some of you older guys might.
I wanted to jump up and down about a always listening and watching Kinect but honestly I don't care. I mean Google has been consideredshady for a while now and I still use Google Now which is  horrible invase service when you think about it.

[pokepal148]

so a video game system that rewards you for not playing video games?

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!

[Fatty The Hutt]

LOL Tom Baker. Trying to recall what ep that is from.
Face of Evil?