Topic: Official Sales Thread

[KDR_11k]

Even the Gamecube regularly got quality exclusives from third parties. Just because the Wii has fallen in monthly sales doesn't mean the token exclusives will go away.

[SalesBot]

Chart Track - Week 43, 2010

UK: Week 43, 2010 - All Formats
1. Fable III (Microsoft) 128,895
2. FIFA 11 (EA) 75,703 / 1,280,000
3. Fallout: New Vegas (Bethesda) 69,613 / 223,689
4. Just Dance 2 (Ubisoft) 58,375 / 156,778
5. Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II (LucasArts) 56,064
6. Medal of Honor (EA) 48,650 / 351,220
7. WWE Smackdown vs Raw 2011 (THQ) 47,785
8. Professor Layton and the Lost Future (Nintendo) 45,470 / 104,818
9. The Sims 3 (EA) 28,624
10. PES 2011 (Konami) 26,732

15. The Sims 3: Late Night (EA) 13,139
26. Rock Band 3 (EA) 7,386
37. The X-Factor (Deep Silver/Koch) 4,335

UK: Week 43, 2010 - Individual Formats (Units)
01 (__) 360 Fable Iii (Microsoft)
02 (03) WII Just Dance 2 (Ubisoft)
03 (02) NDS Professor Layton And The Lost Future (Nintendo)
04 (01) 360 Fallout: New Vegas (Bethesda Softworks)
05 (07) 360 Fifa 11 (Electronic Arts)
06 (__) 360 Star Wars: The Force Unleashed Ii (Lucasarts)
07 (04) 360 Medal Of Honor (Electronic Arts)
08 (08) PS3 Fifa 11 (Electronic Arts)
09 (09) WII Wii Party (Nintendo)
10 (05) PS3 Fallout: New Vegas (Bethesda Softworks)
11 (__) PS3 Star Wars: The Force Unleashed Ii (Lucasarts)
12 (__) 360 Wwe Smackdown Vs Raw 2011 (Thq)
13 (06) PS3 Medal Of Honor (Electronic Arts)
14 (10) WII Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo)
15 (__) PS3 Wwe Smackdown Vs Raw 2011 (Thq)
16 (13) PS3 Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 (Konami)
17 (27) WII New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo)
18 (__) PC The Sims 3: Late Night (Electronic Arts)
19 (26) 360 Forza Motorsport 3 (Microsoft)
20 (__) 360 The Sims 3 (Electronic Arts)
21 (12) 360 Halo: Reach (Microsoft)
22 (19) WII Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo)
23 (17) WII Just Dance (Ubisoft)
24 (__) PS3 The Sims 3 (Electronic Arts)
25 (18) NDS New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
26 (22) 360 Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 (Konami)
27 (16) 360 F1 2010 (Codemasters)
28 (15) PS3 F1 2010 (Codemasters)
29 (__) PS3 Castlevania: Lords Of Shadow (Konami)
30 (36) 360 Red Dead Redemption (Take 2)
31 (__) 360 Rock Band 3 (Electronic Arts)
32 (40) PS3 Red Dead Redemption (Take 2)
33 (34) WII Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
34 (30) WII Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Nintendo)
35 (25) WII Super Smash Bros: Brawl (Nintendo)
36 (14) 360 Dead Rising 2 (Capcom)
37 (11) PC Fallout: New Vegas (Bethesda Softworks)
38 (29) WII Fifa 11 (Electronic Arts)
39 (28) PS3 Sports Champions (Sony Computer Ent.)
40 (__) 360 Castlevania: Lords Of Shadow (Konami)

Ireland: Week 43, 2010 - Entertainment Software (All Prices)
01 (03) Fifa 11 (Electronic Arts)
02 (__) Fable Iii (Microsoft)
03 (01) Fallout: New Vegas (Bethesda Softworks)
04 (02) Medal Of Honor (Electronic Arts)
05 (04) Professor Layton And The Lost Future (Nintendo)
06 (__) Star Wars: The Force Unleashed Ii (Lucasarts)
07 (__) Wwe Smackdown Vs Raw 2011 (Thq)
08 (05) Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo)
09 (07) Just Dance 2 (Ubisoft)
10 (06) Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 (Konami)
11 (__) The Sims 3 (Electronic Arts)
12 (09) Wii Party (Nintendo)
13 (08) Super Smash Bros: Brawl (Nintendo)
14 (__) New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo)
15 (11) Halo: Reach (Microsoft)
16 (17) New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
17 (__) Forza Motorsport 3 (Microsoft)
18 (__) Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo)
19 (__) Just Dance (Ubisoft)
20 (13) F1 2010 (Codemasters)

Denmark: Week 43, 2010 - Entertainment Software (All Prices)
01 (01) Fifa 11 (Electronic Arts)
02 (__) The Sims 3: Late Night (Electronic Arts)
03 (02) Medal Of Honor (Electronic Arts)
04 (__) Fable Iii (Microsoft)
05 (__) Star Wars: The Force Unleashed Ii (Activision Blizzard)
06 (03) Fallout: New Vegas (Namco Bandai Partners)
07 (04) Just Dance 2 (Ubisoft)
08 (05) Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo)
09 (06) The Sims 3 (Electronic Arts)
10 (__) Wwe Smackdown Vs Raw 2011 (Thq)
11 (__) New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo)
12 (__) Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
13 (09) Civilization V (Nordic Game Supply)
14 (07) Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Activision Blizzard)
15 (10) Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo)
16 (14) Mafia Ii (Nordic Game Supply)
17 (__) Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Nintendo)
18 (__) F1 2010 (Namco Bandai Games)
19 (16) Starcraft Ii: Wings Of Liberty (Activision Blizzard)
20 (08) The Sims 3: Fast Lane Stuff (Electronic Arts)

Netherlands: Week 43, 2010
01 (__) [NDS] Professor Layton And The Lost Future (Nintendo)
02 (04) [WII] Wii Party (Nintendo)
03 (02) [PS3] Fifa 11 (Electronic Arts)
04 (01) [PS3] Medal of Honor (Electronic Arts)
05 (__) [360] Fallout: New Vegas (Namco Bandai)
06 (__) [PS3] Fallout: New Vegas (Namco Bandai)
07 (06) [360] Fifa 11 (Electronic Arts)
08 (__) [PC] The Sims 3/Late Night
09 (03) [360] Medal of Honor (Electronic Arts)
10 (07) [PS3] Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 (Konami)

France: Week 42, 2010
01 (__) [NDS] Professor Layton And The Lost Future (Nintendo)
02 (03) [WII] Wii Party (Nintendo)
03 (__) [WII] Just Dance 2 (Ubisoft)
04 (04) [PS3] Fifa 11 (Electronic Arts)
05 (01) [PS3] Medal of Honor (Electronic Arts)

Italy: Week 42, 2010
01 (01) [PS3] Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 (Konami)
02 (02) [WII] Wii Party (Nintendo)
03 (03) [PS3] Fifa 11 (Electronic Arts)
04 (04) [PS3] Medal of Honor - Limited Edition (Electronic Arts)
05 (__) [NDS] Professor Layton And The Lost Future (Nintendo)
06 (05) [PS2] Fifa 11 (Electronic Arts)
07 (__) [PS3] Fallout: New Vegas (Bethesda Softworks)
08 (__) [360] Fallout: New Vegas (Bethesda Softworks)
09 (06) [360] Fifa 11 (Electronic Arts)
10 (__) [WII] Wii Fit Plus + Balance Board (Nintendo)

Sweden: Week 43, 2010
01 (__) [360] Fable III
02 (__) [PC] The Sims 3: Late Night
03 (__) [PS3] Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II
04 (04) [PS3] FIFA 11
05 (__) [360] Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II
06 (01) [360] Fallout: New Vegas
07 (06) [360] FIFA 11
08 (03) [PS3] Fallout: New Vegas
09 (02) [PC] Fallout: New Vegas
10 (05) [PS3] Medal of Honor
11 (09) [PC] Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty
12 (13) [NDS] New Super Mario Bros
13 (07) [360] Medal of Honor
14 (10) [PS3] NHL 11
15 (08) [PC] Medal of Honor
16 (11) [360] NHL 11
17 (18) [PC] World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King
18 (16) [PC] World of Warcraft
19 (12) [WII] New Super Mario Bros Wii
20 (20) [PC] World of Warcraft Battlechest

Germany: Week 43, 2010
01 (01) [NDS] Professor Layton And The Lost Future (Nintendo)
02 (02) [WII] Wii Party (Nintendo)
03 (__) [PS3] Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II (Lucasarts)
04 (__) [360] Fable III (Microsoft)
05 (03) [PS3] Fifa 11 (Nintendo)
06 (__) [360] Fable III Limited Edition (Microsoft)
07 (__) [PS3] Wwe Smackdown Vs Raw 2011 (Thq)
08 (__) [360] Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II (Lucasarts)
09 (04) [PS3] Fallout New Vegas (Namco Bandai Partners)
10 (__) [WII] Wii Fit Plus + Balance Board (Nintendo)

[SalesBot]

Media Create: 10/25 - 10/31

01.   /   00.    [PSP]   God Eater: Burst   (Bandai Namco)    - 263.150    / NEW   
02.   /   00.    [PS3]   World Soccer Winning Eleven 2011   (Konami)    - 212.227    / NEW   
03.   /   01.    [WII]   Super Mario Collection: Special Pack   (Nintendo)    - 119.485    / 427.240    (-61%)   
04.   /   02.    [NDS]   Pokemon Black / White   (Pokemon Co.)    - 68.686    / 4.311.998    (-16%)   
05.   /   00.    [NDS]   Golden Sun: Dark Dawn   (Nintendo)    - 46.516    / NEW   
06.   /   05.    [WII]   Kirby's Epic Yarn   (Nintendo)    - 25.257    / 153.170    (-29%)   
07.   /   00.    [NDS]   Solatorobo: Sore kara Coda e   (Bandai Namco)    - 21.915    / NEW   
08.   /   00.    [360]   Fable III   (Microsoft Game Studios)    - 20.025    / NEW   
09.   /   03.    [PS3]   Naruto Shippuden: Narutimate Storm 2   (Bandai Namco)    - 19.090    / 82.765    (-70%)   
10.   /   10.    [WII]   Wii Party   (Nintendo)    - 17.337    / 1.155.964    (+9%)   

11.   /   00.    [PSP]   Dream Club Portable   (D3 Publisher)    - 15.181    / NEW   
12.   /   00.    [PS2]   Hakuouki: Reimeiroku   (Idea Factory)    - 14.864    / NEW   
13.   /   00.    [PSP]   Da Capo I & II Plus Situation Portable   (Kadokawa Shoten)    - 14.256    / NEW   
14.   /   04.    [PS3]   Vanquish   (Sega)    - 14.042    / 62.360    (-71%)   
15.   /   07.    [PSP]   Lord of Arcana   (Square Enix)    - 12.056    / 106.928    (-52%)   
16.   /   00.    [PSP]   Shin Koihime Musou: Otome Ryouran Sangokushi Engi - Wei-Hen   (Yeti)    - 9.887    / NEW   
17.   /   11.    [NDS]   Kingdom Hearts Re:coded   (Square Enix)    - 9.405    / 151.153    (-37%)   
18.   /   00.    [360]   Ore no Yome: Anata Dake no Hanayome   (Idea Factory)    - 8.369    / NEW   
19.   /   06.    [PS3]   Medal of Honor   (Electronic Arts)    - 8.260    / 33.625    (-67%)   
20.   /   08.    [PS3]   Beat Sketch!   (SCE)    - 7.130    / 29.295    (-68%)   
21.   /   18.    [PSP]   Monster Hunter Freedom Unite [PSP the Best Reprint]   (Capcom)   
22.   /   15.    [PS3]   Red Dead Redemption   (Take-Two Interactive)   
23.   /   19.    [PS3]   Sports Champions   (SCE)   
24.   /   00.    [PSP]   Carnage Heart EXA   (Artdink)   
25.   /   00.    [PSP]   Phantom Brave Portable   (Nippon Ichi Software)   
26.   /   09.    [PS3]   FIFA 11: World Class Soccer   (Electronic Arts)   
27.   /   31.    [WII]   Mario Kart Wii   (Nintendo)   
28.   /   25.    [NDS]   One Piece: Gigant Battle   (Bandai Namco)   
29.   /   28.    [WII]   Wii Fit Plus   (Nintendo)   
30.   /   21.    [PSP]   Black Leopard: A New Tale of Yakuza   (Sega)   

31.   /   23.    [PSP]   K-On! After School Live!!   (Sega)   
32.   /   24.    [PSP]   Eiyuu Densetsu: Zero no Kiseki   (Nihon Falcom)   
33.   /   30.    [WII]   New Super Mario Bros. Wii   (Nintendo)   
34.   /   26.    [WII]   Super Mario Galaxy 2   (Nintendo)   
35.   /   33.    [NDS]   New Super Mario Bros.   (Nintendo)   
36.   /   00.    [360]   World Soccer Winning Eleven 2011   (Konami)   
37.   /   20.    [PS3]   Gekijouban Macross F: Itsuwarino Utahime - Hybrid Pack   (Bandai Namco)   
38.   /   00.    [NDS]   Zack and Ombra: Amusement Park of Illusion   (Konami)    -> There it is (runs)
39.   /   00.    [PSP]   Tsuyo Kiss 2 Portable   (NetRevo)   
40.   /   12.    [PS3]   Time Crisis: Razing Storm   (Bandai Namco)   
41.   /   34.    [PSP]   Monster Hunter Diary: Pokapoka Ailu Village   (Capcom)   
42.   /   29.    [PS3]   F1 2010   (Codemasters)   
43.   /   39.    [NDS]   Art Academy   (Nintendo)   
44.   /   41.    [NDS]   Friend Collection   (Nintendo)   
45.   /   38.    [NDS]   Taiko Drum Master DS: Dororon! Battle With the Ghouls!!   (Bandai Namco)   
46.   /   00.    [360]   Sharin no Kuni, Himawari no Shoujo   (5pb.)   
47.   /   16.    [PS3]   Resident Evil 5: Gold Edition (Move Special Pack)   (Capcom)   
48.   /   27.    [PSP]   Class of Heroes 3   (Acquire)   
49.   /   49.    [PSP]   Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker   (Konami)   
50.   /   45.    [NDS]   Inazuma Eleven 3: World Challenge!! Spark / Bomber   (Level 5)   

00.   /   00.    [ALL]   Weekly Software Sales   (All Publishers)    - 1.286.742    / 47.818.254    (+22%)   


PSP - 15
PS3 - 12
NDS - 11
WII - 7
360 - 4
PS2 - 1

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|System |  This Week  |  Last Week  |        YTD  |         LTD  |
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|  NDS  |     59.126  |     34.409  |  2.057.880  |  31.336.960  |
|  PSP  |     41.905  |     33.515  |  1.709.307  |  15.452.395  |
|  PS3  |     28.255  |     20.128  |  1.169.779  |   5.671.146  |
|  WII  |     12.710  |     11.971  |  1.110.223  |  10.715.422  |
|  360  |      2.669  |      2.162  |    174.655  |   1.384.327  |
|  PS2  |      1.400  |      1.222  |     69.873  |  21.680.050  |
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| DSiLL |     32.137  |     15.819  |  1.036.454  |   1.543.361  |
|  DSi  |     23.614  |     14.703  |    821.871  |   5.160.817  |
|  DSL  |      3.375  |      3.887  |    199.555  |  18.047.311  |
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|  PSP  |     38.874  |     32.591  |  1.653.965  |  15.321.298  |
| PSPgo |      3.031  |        924  |     55.342  |     131.097  |
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[SalesBot]

Famitsu: Pokemon Sales Comparison
(current as of 10/24/2010)

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|    | [NGB] Pokemon G/S | [GBA] Pokemon R/S | [NDS] Pokemon D/P | [NDS] Pokemon B/W |
|    | (Sunday 21/11/99) |(Thursday 21/11/02)|(Thursday 28/09/06)|(Saturday 18/09/10)|
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|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|
|  1 |1.425.768|1.425.768|1.245.003|1.245.003|1.586.360|1.586.360|2.637.285|2.637.285|
|  2 |  438.280|1.864.049|  471.538|1.716.541|  433.793|2.020.153|  772.172|3.409.457|
|  3 |  453.500|2.317.549|  321.408|2.037.949|  291.178|2.311.331|  372.619|3.782.076|
|  4 |  301.003|2.618.551|  336.847|2.374.796|  231.627|2.542.958|  231.161|4.013.237|
|  5 |  436.828|3.055.379|  437.352|2.812.148|  209.288|2.752.246|  151.375|4.164.612|
|  6 |  573.247|3.628.627|  385.614|3.197.762|  183.048|2.935.294|   70.769|4.235.381|
|  7 |  477.507|4.106.134|  408.831|3.606.593|  124.738|3.060.032|         |         |
|  8 |  258.734|4.364.868|  126.398|3.732.991|  101.113|3.161.145|         |         |
|  9 |  145.778|4.510.646|  105.173|3.838.164|  110.946|3.272.091|         |         |
| 10 |  144.733|4.655.379|   66.054|3.904.218|  100.215|3.372.306|         |         |
| 11 |  120.138|4.775.517|   56.075|3.960.293|  151.036|3.523.342|         |         |
| 12 |   98.055|4.873.571|   40.764|4.001.057|  225.228|3.748.570|         |         |
| 13 |   76.713|4.950.284|   44.240|4.045.297|  429.017|4.177.587|         |         |
| 14 |   50.421|5.000.705|   34.871|4.080.168|  125.228|4.302.815|         |         |
| 15 |   48.587|5.049.292|   31.434|4.111.602|  214.274|4.517.089|         |         |
| 16 |   47.512|5.096.804|   28.464|4.140.066|   58.725|4.575.814|         |         |
| 17 |   43.827|5.140.631|   28.840|4.168.906|   49.050|4.624.864|         |         |
| 18 |   34.957|5.175.589|   35.536|4.204.442|   48.783|4.673.647|         |         |
| 19 |   33.367|5.208.956|   39.467|4.243.909|   45.467|4.719.114|         |         |
| 20 |   29.743|5.238.698|   38.913|4.282.822|   43.947|4.763.061|         |         |
| 21 |   21.582|5.260.280|   26.116|4.308.938|   39.553|4.802.614|         |         |
| 22 |   15.788|5.276.068|   22.340|4.331.278|   33.444|4.836.058|         |         |
| 23 |   14.204|5.290.272|   24.291|4.355.569|   33.470|4.869.528|         |         |
| 24 |        -|        -|   39.814|4.395.383|   28.774|4.898.302|         |         |
| 25 |        -|5.332.897|   24.120|4.419.503|   24.119|4.922.421|         |         |
| 26 |    9.987|5.342.884|   14.681|4.434.184|   27.440|4.949.861|         |         |
| 27 |    7.308|5.350.193|   16.389|4.450.573|   24.641|4.974.502|         |         |
| 28 |    7.879|5.358.072|   17.160|4.467.733|   22.012|4.996.514|         |         |
| 29 |    7.597|5.365.669|   13.554|4.481.287|   18.874|5.015.388|         |         |
| 30 |    7.040|5.372.709|   12.887|4.494.174|   20.342|5.035.730|         |         |
| 31 |    7.722|5.380.430|   12.582|4.506.756|   23.988|5.059.718|         |         |
| 32 |    7.657|5.388.087|   14.679|4.521.435|   37.052|5.096.770|         |         |
| 33 |    7.575|5.395.662|   14.355|4.535.790|   13.069|5.109.839|         |         |
| 34 |    6.449|5.402.111|   14.520|4.550.310|   12.465|5.122.304|         |         |
| 35 |    7.120|5.409.231|   18.720|4.569.030|   14.740|5.137.044|         |         |
| 36 |    8.127|5.417.358|   17.725|4.586.755|   13.798|5.150.842|         |         |
| 37 |    8.796|5.426.154|   16.098|4.602.853|   12.429|5.163.271|         |         |
| 38 |        -|        -|   14.831|4.617.684|   10.612|5.173.883|         |         |
| 39 |        -|        -|   18.622|4.636.306|   11.212|5.185.095|         |         |
| 40 |   10.588|5.451.223|    9.550|4.645.856|   11.463|5.196.558|         |         |
| 41 |    5.995|5.457.218|   10.595|4.656.451|   12.874|5.209.432|         |         |
| 42 |    7.940|5.465.158|    8.239|4.664.690|   16.073|5.225.505|         |         |
| 43 |    3.646|5.468.804|    8.036|4.672.726|   16.010|5.241.515|         |         |
| 44 |    4.704|5.473.508|    9.215|4.681.941|   13.102|5.254.617|         |         |
| 45 |    5.002|5.478.510|    7.881|4.689.822|    9.963|5.264.580|         |         |
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|Year|   YTD   |   LTD   |   YTD   |   LTD   |   YTD   |   LTD   |   YTD   |   LTD   |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|
|  1 |3.628.627|3.628.627|3.197.762|3.197.762|4.302.815|4.302.815|4.235.381|4.235.381|
|  2 |2.383.096|6.011.723|1.704.458|4.902.220|1.094.389|5.397.204|         |         |
|  3 |   76.421|6.088.144|  287.026|5.189.246|  227.226|5.624.430|         |         |
|  4 |        -|        -|  113.430|5.302.676|  127.567|5.751.997|         |         |
|  5 |        -|        -|   34.369|5.337.045|   15.286|5.767.283|         |         |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|
| LTD|        -|6.089.503|        -|5.337.045|        -|5.767.283|        -|4.235.381|
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1. [NGB] Pokemon Red / Green / Blue (Nintendo) - 140.074 / 7.783.101
2. [NGB] Pokemon Gold / Silver (Nintendo) - 1.425.768 / 6.089.503
3. [NDS] Pokemon Diamond / Pearl (Pokemon Co.) - 1.586.360 / 5.767.283
4. [GBA] Pokemon Ruby / Sapphire (Pokemon Co.) - 1.245.003 / 5.337.045
5. [NDS] Pokemon Black / White (Pokemon Co.) - 2.637.285 / 4.235.381

[Louieturkey]

It's still conjecture and speculation unless you have some numbers to support your claims. All systems have failure rates and repeat buyers, so in the end I think it all evens out. Besides, since we're simply talking sales numbers and not userbase, I'm not sure what your point is.

It's all about the sales numbers.  We were never talking about userbase.  Why are you trying to flip this around?  PS2 sold around 150 million consoles.  A good number of those were second or third systems.  With the Wii, a lot less are second systems.  The PS2 did not have an account assigned to it like the Wii.  With the Wii, there is an account assigned to it and so buying a new system means leaving your account behind.  So there's less likelyhood that a person would buy a second Wii.  So the Wii won't have many more sales like the the PS2 due to less people wanting or needing a second system.  That is why the Wii will never surpass the PS2's sales.

[BlackNMild2k1]

I believe a major part of the controversy over PS2's "shipped" numbers was not just that people were buying second and third systems, it was that Sony was counting replacement systems in their "shipped" numbers.

That would mean that 1 person could buy a single PS2, it would break, most likely from DRE and they would ship it out to Sony who would then send out a replacement unit in it's place and count that as another unit shipped. it might break again and then rinse wash repeat.
Magically you have an extra 30+% added to your total units shipped over the last 8-10 years.

[Mop it up]

It's all about the sales numbers.  We were never talking about userbase.  Why are you trying to flip this around?

I thought you were trying to turn this around. Why a system sells doesn't really matter, the PS2 still has 150 million. I think that the number of replacement PS2 systems bought is negligible in the big picture, and that quite a few people also bought more than one Wii. Can these claims be substantiated? No more or less than your claims, so it's all conjecture. It's just people making excuses, trying to devalue the sales numbers of the PS2.

[BranDonk Kong]

I think 3rd party support is actually getting better. We got feature and release parity on CoD Black Ops. Goldeneye is turning out to be a top notch shooter exclusively for Wii. We also have Epic Mickey. Don't forget that the flagship SKU for Guitar Hero titles is the Wii as well.

It's not the best support in a long shot but it is better than even a year ago (delayed titles like Modern Warfare, gimped versions, no releases on Wii, ports of old games...NPC titles... ).

COD3 and COD WAW both essentially launched with all of the other console versions as well (COD3 was a Wii launch title, so it was off a little bit), I think this has more to do with Treyarch than anything else...and Guitar Hero is a sinking ship.

[Mop it up]

I think the Wii has better third-party support than the GameCube did. I was trying to think of third-party exclusives on the GameCube that I liked, and I can't even think of any I played. On the Wii I can think of at least ten third-party exclusives I've enjoyed, and there are probably some I'm forgetting.

[Chozo Ghost]

It's still conjecture and speculation unless you have some numbers to support your claims. All systems have failure rates and repeat buyers, so in the end I think it all evens out. Besides, since we're simply talking sales numbers and not userbase, I'm not sure what your point is.

It's all about the sales numbers.  We were never talking about userbase.  Why are you trying to flip this around?  PS2 sold around 150 million consoles.  A good number of those were second or third systems.  With the Wii, a lot less are second systems.  The PS2 did not have an account assigned to it like the Wii.  With the Wii, there is an account assigned to it and so buying a new system means leaving your account behind.  So there's less likelyhood that a person would buy a second Wii.  So the Wii won't have many more sales like the the PS2 due to less people wanting or needing a second system.  That is why the Wii will never surpass the PS2's sales.

Plus the Wii hasn't seen a proper hardware revision, which the PS2 did. The only thing that's ever changed about the Wii console since its launch is that Nintendo added a few new colors, but that's it. There's no new and improved "slim" model or anything like that. There are some people who would buy a new console just to get it in their favorite color, but I think for the most part most consumers who already owned a white Wii console would probably just stick with that versus spending $200 just on a color change...

But I don't really know all that was changed from the original PS2 to the one Sony released later on which was a good deal smaller. Being smaller was a plus, but didn't it also add in some new features or something?

[Stratos]

But I don't really know all that was changed from the original PS2 to the one Sony released later on which was a good deal smaller. Being smaller was a plus, but didn't it also add in some new features or something?

The slim included the Ethernet plug as standard. So it was internet ready out of the box. Even came with a disc and manual to help you get it online. I never used it since it none of those titles interested me on the system. I don't think it came with an HDD.

[Shaymin]

The PS2 Slim not only didn't have a hard drive, but it dropped support for the one SquareEnix was selling with Final Fantasy XI.

[Stratos]

Yeah, the drive bay was smaller. I remember now.

[Chozo Ghost]

The PS2 Slim not only didn't have a hard drive, but it dropped support for the one SquareEnix was selling with Final Fantasy XI.

That sucks... sounds kinda like how the DSi dropped support for Guitar Hero, which needed the GBA slot for the Fret peripheral. I guess the lesson here is revisions aren't always for the best.

[Mop it up]

Didn't the slim PS2 also remove the cooling fans, which increased the possibility of the system overheating?

[Kytim89]

Didn't the slim PS2 also remove the cooling fans, which increased the possibility of the system overheating?

When Sony created the PS2 slim they basically turned it into a PS1 in aesthetic terms. The PS2 did not have a cooling fan because the components did not generate as much heat as the older PS2. Iam not sure how often the PS2 slim over heated, but I have heared that they are pretty durable by word of mouth.

[Stratos]

Didn't the slim PS2 also remove the cooling fans, which increased the possibility of the system overheating?

I remember some concerns about this cropping up. Mine can get pretty hot. I don't remember how hot my original PS2 got so I don't have a frame of reference for comparison though.

[SalesBot]

Media Create: 11/1 - 11/7

01.   /   01.    [PSP]   God Eater: Burst   (Bandai Namco)    - 61.834    / 324.984    (-77%)   
02.   /   03.    [WII]   Super Mario Collection: Special Pack   (Nintendo)    - 56.848    / 484.088    (-52%)   
03.   /   04.    [NDS]   Pokemon Black / White   (Pokemon Co.)    - 56.719    / 4.368.717    (-17%)   
04.   /   02.    [PS3]   World Soccer Winning Eleven 2011   (Konami)    - 55.809    / 271.066    (-74%)   
05.   /   00.    [PS3]   Fallout: New Vegas   (Bethesda Softworks)    - 37.249    / NEW   
06.   /   00.    [NDS]   Radiant Historia   (Atlus Co.)    - 32.807    / NEW   
07.   /   00.    [360]   Fallout: New Vegas   (Bethesda Softworks)    - 24.146    / NEW   
08.   /   06.    [WII]   Kirby's Epic Yarn   (Nintendo)    - 20.712    / 173.882    (-18%)   
09.   /   10.    [WII]   Wii Party   (Nintendo)    - 17.788    / 1.173.753    (+3%)   
10.   /   05.    [NDS]   Golden Sun: Dark Dawn   (Nintendo)    - 12.571    / 59.087    (-73%)   
11.   /   09.    [PS3]   Naruto Shippuden: Narutimate Storm 2   (Bandai Namco)    - 8.567    / 91.332    (-55%)   
12.   /   07.    [NDS]   Solatorobo: Sore kara Coda e   (Bandai Namco)    - 6.927    / 28.841    (-68%)   
13.   /   17.    [NDS]   Kingdom Hearts Re:coded   (Square Enix)    - 6.319    / 157.472    (-33%)   
14.   /   14.    [PS3]   Vanquish   (Sega)    - 5.565    / 67.925    (-60%)   
15.   /   15.    [PSP]   Lord of Arcana   (Square Enix)    - 5.388    / 112.316    (-55%)   
16.   /   21.    [PSP]   Monster Hunter Freedom Unite [PSP the Best Reprint]   (Capcom)    - 5.062    / 467.600    (-19%)   
17.   /   29.    [WII]   Wii Fit Plus   (Nintendo)    - 5.028    / 2.106.504   
18.   /   27.    [WII]   Mario Kart Wii   (Nintendo)    - 4.910    / 2.966.082   
19.   /   19.    [PS3]   Medal of Honor   (Electronic Arts)    - 4.699    / 38.324    (-43%)   
20.   /   20.    [PS3]   Beat Sketch!   (SCE)    - 4.632    / 33.927    (-35%)   

PS3 - 6
NDS - 5
WII - 5
PSP - 3
360 - 1
PS2 - 0

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|System |  This Week  |  Last Week  |        YTD  |         LTD  |
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|  NDS  |     41.662  |     59.126  |  2.099.542  |  31.378.622  |
|  PSP  |     37.456  |     41.905  |  1.746.763  |  15.489.851  |
|  PS3  |     23.524  |     28.255  |  1.193.303  |   5.694.670  |
|  WII  |     11.521  |     12.710  |  1.121.744  |  10.726.943  |
|  360  |      2.686  |      2.669  |    177.341  |   1.387.013  |
|  PS2  |      1.460  |      1.400  |     71.333  |  21.681.510  |
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| DSiLL |     22.858  |     32.137  |  1.059.312  |   1.566.219  |
|  DSi  |     16.038  |     23.614  |    837.909  |   5.176.855  |
|  DSL  |      2.766  |      3.375  |    202.321  |  18.050.077  |
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|  PSP  |     34.538  |     38.874  |  1.688.503  |  15.355.836  |
| PSPgo |      2.918  |      3.031  |     58.260  |     134.015  |
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[Peachylala]

14.   /   14.    [PS3]   Vanquish   (Sega)    - 5.565    / 67.925    (-60%)

Hey Sega, remember when your then unempolyed(?) Sega of America PR dumbasses said Platinum games were best suited to only the PS3/360 audiences? Kirby's Epic Yarn is beating this game in Japan.
 
I want to laugh, or be depressed. I can't decide which one I want to be.

[KDR_11k]

1. They're looking at international numbers, we don't know those.
2. Platinum games aren't exactly big sellers anyway.

[Chozo Ghost]

I want to laugh, or be depressed. I can't decide which one I want to be.

As a Nintendo fan I've been feeling that way for the last 10 years or so. 3rd party support is a joke, but at the same time its also depressing because unfortunately that joke is on us.

[BlackNMild2k1]

We got some NPD numbers from Reggie today

Fils-Aime cited NPD Group figures which said Nintendo has so far sold 43.1 million Nintendo DS hardware units and 30.4 million Wiis in the U.S. alone. The Xbox 360 trails in U.S. sales with 21.9 million units, while the PSP has 17.7 million sales and the PlayStation 3 has 13.5 million sales in the country. The exec added that the Wii Balance Board sold 12 million units since its 2008 launch alongside Wii Fit.

Source

Dayuuuum!!!!

PS3 has a 2 year headstart and only a 1.5 million unit lead in the US? I'm surprised there isn't more support for Balance board games over expensive PS3 games....

but let me summarize that for easy reading: (all in millions)
NDS - 43.1
WII - 30.4
360 - 21.9
PSP - 17.7
PS3 - 13.5
WBB - 12

[Stratos]

LOL, the Balance Board could outsell PS3.

[Shaymin]

Amazing that Nintendo has 3 platforms in the top 6.

[ShyGuy]

I want more balance board games. Where is my space surfing pistol blaster game?