Topic: Official Sales Thread

[Chozo Ghost]

9. SUPER MARIO 64 DS NINTENDO OF AMERICA

Wow... that game has some legs!

No kidding! 14 years later and it is still selling!

Actually it's the DS version, which is still impressive at 4 and a half years.

Yeah, it was actually a launch title for the DS back when it came out way back in November 2004, so its the same exact age as the DS system itself. For a game THAT OLD to be in the top 10 lists now is absolutely amazing... I assumed Nintendo had long ceased manufacturing it.

[Chozo Ghost]

It's similar enough to call it the same game.

Yes and No. It is largely the same game, but the fact its now in portable form and with the addition of all the mini games and whatever else Nintendo tacked on it is distinct enough to stand on its own. I've owned both 64 and 64 DS and I can see the differences. To be honest, I strongly do prefer the original though, because the DS controls for it are useless.

[TJ Spyke]

It's similar enough to call it the same game.

Yes and No. It is largely the same game, but the fact its now in portable form and with the addition of all the mini games and whatever else Nintendo tacked on it is distinct enough to stand on its own. I've owned both 64 and 64 DS and I can see the differences. To be honest, I strongly do prefer the original though, because the DS controls for it are useless.

Not to mention the DS game has new missions, new characters, re-worked levels, etc. They are different enough to be considered different games. The DS version would have been great (instead of just good) if it had better controls. The d-pad does not control as good as an analog stick and the touchscreen control was worse IMO.

[Chozo Ghost]

Yeah, that's true. In the DS version you can play as Yoshi, Luigi, Wario (probably one or two others) and each of these have different capabilities. In the original you could only play as Mario, and that was it.

But again, I didn't really enjoy it as well as I would have if it had a control stick. Oh well... here's hoping one day the DS version finds its way onto the Wii with nunchuck controls. 

[Mop it up]

Not to mention the DS game has new missions, new characters, re-worked levels, etc. They are different enough to be considered different games.

But the DS version would never have existed if the N64 version didn't come out. It's still the same game, just in different packaging.

To be honest, I strongly do prefer the original though, because the DS controls for it are useless.

I do too. This game needs an analogue stick, considering it was the poster child for it back in the day. Plus the original just looks so much more clean than the DS version.

In the DS version you can play as Yoshi, Luigi, Wario (probably one or two others)

Just one other character, Mario.

[Chozo Ghost]

Yeah, Mario64 makes a better poster child for the analog stick (which is unfortunately absent from the DS) than it does for the touchscreen. Interestingly, it was the launch title for both of those new ways of doing things, but it was very ill suited for the later...

If I'm not mistaken the DS's architecture is very similar to that of the N64 and that probably made it easy to port this game over. The DS is sorta like a portable N64, but without the analog stick.

[TJ Spyke]

Not to mention the DS game has new missions, new characters, re-worked levels, etc. They are different enough to be considered different games.

But the DS version would never have existed if the N64 version didn't come out. It's still the same game, just in different packaging.

That is a total crap argument. Under that idea any sequel is just the same game as the original. Super Mario 64 would not have existed without Donkey Kong (birth of Mario). Let's compare this to movies. Do you consider the 1968 and 2001 versions of Planet of the Apes to be the same movie but just with different packaging? Or Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory with Charlie and the Chocolate Factory? This is not like the Classic NES series where they were straight ports of the NES originals (with the only change being the aspect ratio). A re-make is different from a port in that a re-make is considered a new title while a port is not, SM64DS was a re-make and thus a new title.

Anyways, a little over 4 years of continues sales is great for the game. Us hardcore gamers may complain about the lack of price drops for most Nintendo first party games, but this is the reason why. The game is still selling tons of copies at $35, Nintendo has no reason to drop its price. New DS owners tend to want certain games, which is why Mario Kart DS managed to be one of the 10 best selling games of 2008 despite releasing back in 2005.

[Mop it up]

Super Mario 64 DS is $30, though I don't know if it has always been that price.

Do you consider the 1968 and 2001 versions of Planet of the Apes to be the same movie but just with different packaging?

Yes.

Or Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory with Charlie and the Chocolate Factory?

The latter wasn't a remake of the first movie, it was just another movie based on the book.

A remake is not a new title, it is its own category: a remake. It contains a lot more old content than new content so it can't pass as a new game, and rarely is the new content actually worth buying the game for if one owns the original. Super Mario 64 DS is no exception. It's still enough of the same game that you can tie its success to the original game, and can make statements like "It has been going strong for 14 years!"

[KDR_11k]

Analog sticks are overrated for games like Mario, the only problem with SM64DS was that you had to hold down the run button to move at full speed which you'd do about 98% of the time with an a-stick. Well, that and I think Mario would keep moving forward while turning when he had any inertia left and you tried to turn, often making him run off the platform you just landed on. Also the touchscreen-only camera controls were fail.

[SalesBot]

Chart Track - Week 16, 2009


UK - Individual Formats (Units)
01 (01) WII Wii Fit (Nintendo)
02 (05) NDS Professor Layton And The Curious Village (Nintendo)
03 (02) 360 The Godfather Ii (Electronic Arts)
04 (07) WII Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
05 (06) WII Wii Play (Nintendo)
06 (03) WII Mario & Sonic At The Olympic Games (Sega)
07 (04) PS3 The Godfather Ii (Electronic Arts)
08 (08) 360 Resident Evil 5 (Capcom)
09 (09) NDS Dr Kawashima's Brain Training (Nintendo)
10 (11) NDS Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars (Take 2)
11 (13) WII Rayman Raving Rabbids Tv Party (Ubisoft)
12 (10) NDS Club Penguin: Elite Penguin Force (Disney Interactive Studios)
13 (14) WII My Fitness Coach (Ubisoft)
14 (21) 360 Fifa 09 (Electronic Arts)
15 (12) PS3 Resident Evil 5 (Capcom)
16 (34) 360 Lego Indiana Jones: Original Adventures (Lucasarts)
17 (16) PS3 Killzone 2 (Sony Computer Ent.)
18 (31) 360 Kung Fu Panda (Activision Blizzard)
19 (29) WII Carnival: Funfair Games (Take 2)
20 (23) NDS Puzzler Collection (Ubisoft)
21 (18) NDS Mario Kart Ds (Nintendo)
22 (33) NDS Mystery Case Files: Millionheir (Nintendo)
23 (17) NDS New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
24 (22) 360 Call Of Duty: World At War (Activision Blizzard)
25 (27) NDS Carnival: Funfair Games (Take 2)
26 (__) NDS Imagine: Doctor (Ubisoft)
27 (15) PS3 Street Fighter Iv (Capcom)
28 (30) NDS Mario & Sonic At The Olympic Games (Sega)
29 (38) 360 Gears Of War 2 (Microsoft)
30 (26) 360 Street Fighter Iv (Capcom)
31 (20) 360 Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (Activision Blizzard)
32 (37) 360 Grand Theft Auto Iv (Take 2)
33 (19) 360 Wheelman (Ubisoft)
34 (__) PC Football Manager 2009 (Sega)
35 (40) WII Guitar Hero: World Tour (Activision Blizzard)
36 (__) PS3 Fifa 09 (Electronic Arts)
37 (__) WII Monopoly (Electronic Arts)
38 (25) PS3 Wheelman (Ubisoft)
39 (__) WII Animal Crossing: Let's Go To The City (Nintendo)
40 (__) PS3 Littlebigplanet (Sony Computer Ent.)

[SalesBot]

Ireland
01 (01) The Godfather Ii (Electronic Arts)
02 (02) Fifa 09 (Electronic Arts)
03 (05) Wii Fit (Nintendo)
04 (03) Mario & Sonic At The Olympic Games (Sega)
05 (10) Professor Layton And The Curious Village (Nintendo)
06 (11) Call Of Duty: World At War (Activision Blizzard)
07 (04) Resident Evil 5 (Capcom)
08 (06) Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (Activision Blizzard)
09 (07) Monsters Vs Aliens (Activision Blizzard)
10 (08) Ben 10: Alien Force (D3p)
11 (12) Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars (Take 2)
12 (__) Wii Play (Nintendo)
13 (__) Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
14 (13) Club Penguin: Elite Penguin Force (Disney Interactive Studios)
15 (16) New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
16 (09) Wheelman (Ubisoft)
17 (__) Guitar Hero: World Tour (Activision Blizzard)
18 (__) Need For Speed: Undercover (Electronic Arts)
19 (__) Lego Indiana Jones: Original Adventures (Lucasarts)
20 (14) Wwe Legends Of Wrestlemania (Thq)

Netherlands
01 (01) [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo)
02 (__) [PS3] The Godfather Ii (Electronic Arts)
03 (__) [360] The Godfather Ii (Electronic Arts)
04 (02) [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
05 (03) [WII] Mario & Sonic At The Olympic Games (Sega)
06 (04) [PC] Company Of Heroes/Tales Of Valor (Thq)
07 (07) [NDS] Jewel Quest/Expeditions (Activision Blizzard)
08 (04) [NDS] Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars (Take 2)
09 (08) [NDS] Brain Training (Nintendo)
10 (05) [WII] Mario Power Tennis (Nintendo)

France
01 (01) [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo)
02 (02) [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
03 (04) [NDS] Professor Layton And The Curious Village (Nintendo)
04 (03) [PS3] Resident Evil 5 (Capcom)
05 (__) [PS3] The Godfather Ii (Electronic Arts)

Italy
01 (01) [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
02 (02) [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo)
03 (03) [PS3] Resident Evil 5 (Capcom)
04 (__) [PS3] The Godfather Ii (Electronic Arts)
05 (05) [WII] Mario Power Tennis (Nintendo)
06 (04) [NDS] Professor Layton And The Curious Village (Nintendo)
07 (08) [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo)
08 (06) [PS2] PES 2009 (Konami)
09 (__) [360] The Godfather Ii (Electronic Arts)
10 (__) [PS2] Fifa 09 (Electronic Arts)
11 (__) [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
12 (07) [360] Resident Evil 5 (Capcom)
13 (__) [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
14 (__) [PSP] Fifa 09 (Electronic Arts)
15 (09) [NDS] More Brain Training (Nintendo)

[Stogi]

Videogames = entertianment = unnecessary

Food = health = necessary
Shelter = health = necessary
Clothes = society = necessary
School = society = necessary

Economy is a bitch.

[KDR_11k]

Interesting, Prof Layton experienced climbs in three countries.

[NWR_insanolord]

Analog sticks are overrated for games like Mario, the only problem with SM64DS was that you had to hold down the run button to move at full speed which you'd do about 98% of the time with an a-stick. Well, that and I think Mario would keep moving forward while turning when he had any inertia left and you tried to turn, often making him run off the platform you just landed on. Also the touchscreen-only camera controls were fail.

You could go into the menus and switch it so you ran by default and holding the button made you walk.

[Chozo Ghost]

I'm surprised Godfather II isn't number 1 in Italy.

[Stogi]

That's racist!

[oohhboy]

That's racist!

Hehe. It is being split over 2 platforms and it up against 2 Nintendo games and a RE. Besides, I doubt some of the people there would want to play their reality if you have been following the news.

[Mop it up]

Analog sticks are overrated for games like Mario, the only problem with SM64DS was that you had to hold down the run button to move at full speed which you'd do about 98% of the time with an a-stick. Well, that and I think Mario would keep moving forward while turning when he had any inertia left and you tried to turn, often making him run off the platform you just landed on. Also the touchscreen-only camera controls were fail.

You could go into the menus and switch it so you ran by default and holding the button made you walk.

I don't remember there being any such option.

[TJ Spyke]

That's racist!

SingStar Abba was the #1 selling game in Sweden (where Abba is from) when it was released.

[SalesBot]

UK LTD Totals:

Wii - 4.9 million (launched December 2006)
Xbox 360 - 3.2 million (launched December 2005)
PS3 - 1.9 million (launched March 2007)
DS - 8.8 million (launched March 2005)
PSP - 3.2 million (launched September 2005)
PS2 - 10 million (launched November 2000)


UK LTD Avg. (average sales per month)

Wii: 196,000
DS: 191,304
PS2: 102,040
360: 86,486
PS3: 86,363
PSP: 80,000

[Stratos]

LOL PS2 sales trumping PS3, PSP and 360.

[NWR_insanolord]

It's the average sales per month over the life of the hardware so it makes perfect sense. The crazy part is the Wii and DS both beating it nearly 2 to 1.

[Stratos]

It's the average sales per month over the life of the hardware so it makes perfect sense. The crazy part is the Wii and DS both beating it nearly 2 to 1.

Oooh, I didn't realize that those were LTD average sales. That would skew it a lot. Crazy to think that the Wii + DS are over that as well.

[TJ Spyke]

Not surrising when you see that the Wii has sold about half of the PS2's LTD in 1/4th the time (almost 5 million in about 2 years vs. 10 million in about 8 years).

[Stratos]

It's still crazy to think about.