Ok I have FINALLY gotten through the entire thread and have decided I would goa head and throw my own comments your way peoples. Ok I want to start off by pointing out a few examples from the past regarding Power and such.
Way back when the SNES was around its major competitors (regardless of "generation" crap people spill) were the
Sega Genesis (EQUAL power less colors faster cpu better sprites slightly less ram and expansions that actualy got USED, equal size cartsCd Expansion, Equal large library)
Neo Geo (ALmost but not quit twice as powerfull, several times the ram, far more colors, FAR suprerior Sprites, many expansions, bigger carts, faster cpu, CD Expansion, slightly smaller library)
Turbo Graphic-16 (basicaly equal power, less ram, less colors, similar sprite capabilities, far smaller "cart" size CD Expansion, slower CPU, far smaller library"
3Do (AT LEAST double power, cd media equald FAR larger storage capacity, FMV capabilities built in, better 3d capabilities, far superior sprite capabilities, far more colors, far superior CD sound, far smaller library)
Atari Jaguar (SEVERAL times more power full, several times faster, far more colors, larger cart sizes, cd expanio, far more ram, FAR smaller game library, far superior 3d and 2d capabilities.)
Yet all these systems which are mostly far superior in power with Genesis and turbo graphix being only exceptions, SNES still oput solld ALL of these, and then some. Even on that same note the SNES was NOT 3 times as powerfull as NES, it was basicaly twice as fast, 3 times the sprite capabilities, tripple the ram, and tahst about it, well and cart siszes were larger and Steroe sound was built in. Look up the specs of these systems and then checkout some screen shots and game fotoage and you will see that the NES-SNES conversin was NOT much bigger that what is so far peroted as 2-3 times GC leap has been rumored to be.
Next I woudl liek to also point out that 3D0, Neo Geo AND Atari Jaguar ALL were FAR superior to SNES in EVERY convievable way with 1 exception software, also these systems were several times more expensive. Snes in itw prime was between 150 and 200 dollars demending on bundles and core unit combinations. Neo Geo was 1000 in its prime an games were well over 100 dollars each. 3D0 launched and stayed close to 700 dollars durring same time span, Atari Jaguar was launched around 350 and didnt go down for a while.
The SNES being INFERIOR to these systems still managed to out sell them all three COMBINED, due to thei software lineup and smaller price.
I had a Genesis first and SNES way latter, and I could never for teh life of me figure out how either systems out sold the neo geo! Seriously its that much better but the price was what killed it.
NExt I would like to make a few comments regarding the last gen verses next gen. First I agree mostly with Ian Sane but I have more to add so bear with me.
First I agree totaly that Nintendo killed the n64 way too early and had a way too buig gap between it and GC. SNES continued to get games three years into N64s life cycle and same with NES to SNES.
Second the GC was underhyped, Nintendo didnt do much at all to tell people hwo great it was or what it could do, instead they simpley thought thier brand name alone was sufficient.
Third there were too few decent games at launch and it took way too long afterwards to get some good games, Ps2 launched with triple the number of games as GC and Xbox double, its not so much weather tehyw ere good or not but it was the fact people could see there was enough variety to justify the purchase becaus ethey enw more games were on teh way, where as GC it was like you eithe rliked the few games at launch and were williong to stick it out or you waited to see if some good games woudl come out or not (ME I waited untill the 99 dollar prioced drop cuz it took THAT long to get enough games for me to consider it good enough to buy)
Then Nintendo focused too much on over hyping new games liek Pikin which to me were to wierd to gey int (yes I tried it but I hated the game)
They could have spent more time hyping games that people would have appealed to mroe pople, like Eternal Darkness or Metroid Prime (which is bad marketing on thoier part cuz I NEVER heard of ET untill LAST YEAR, anmd Metroid I was never that into but got Prime eventualy after Echos came out cuz I wanted it but need to play the first game first.)
Then there was teh fact that PS2 AND Xbox could also play DVDs yet GC couldnt THIS IS *THE* mistake that killed them plain and simple. In the first year of the current get DVD players were still rather expensive and not quit as popular as VHS. nearly EVERY PERSON I KNEW was either getting a ps2 or xbox simply cuz they could play dvds AND games. less than a year latter DVD players Drop dramaiticaly in price, and they practicaly erase vhs from peoples minds.
The online thing is debatable rememebr Nintendo worked with Sega to get TWO Phatasy Star Online games for GC and one was EXCLUSIVE at first. Nitendo had a chance to say make Mario Kart DD online and Star Fox Assault but they chose not to cuz it wouldnt be proffitable, BULLS**T, they wouldnt have to buld any infrastructure at all they just woudl have to host a coupple games thaty would have made up the cost in sales and subscription or they could have done waht sony did and just factor the onine cost into the game eitehr way it could have been profitable or at least WOULD have sold some more systems cuz then people wouldt have that excuse not to but it and YES judgeing by the number of people who got Xbox Live and how Xbox over took Nintendo youd bea *&*&img idiot not to see the connection.
Last I will address 3rd party support, Nintendo did EVERYTHING they could to get stellar support but after companies LOST money porting games over they jumped ship, not to mention that early 2003 Nintendo STOPPED prodcution even only temproarily of GC it turned MANY developers away, cuz they saw this as Nintendo trhowing in teh towel so to speak, go back and re-read your magazine form this time period and you will see this was THE TIME when the 3rd parties companies left. Factor 5, Sega Sports (changed to 2k sports and sold to Take 2, Midway, Lucas Arts (aBIG loss regardless of what anyone says otherwise), Namco, even Kanomi all mentioned they were threw with GC, Nintendo had to dropp the price, BRIBE three of those companies to stay and still suffered losses. Namco agreed to stay because Nintendo agreed to let them use Link in thier Sould Calibur 2 game, which was at teh time percieved as a move that would attract more peopel to teh Cube version of the game. Even Atari had said they were gonna leave GC but Nintendo paid them to get Budakai and a hand full of other games since. M<idway ONLY ported MK 6 due to overwhelming fan demand only to be rewared with crappy sales (yeah Nintendo fans bitched hard enough to get that game and we didnt even buy it)
Midways Arcade Treasures 2 was ONLY ported because Midway knew that Nintendo fans had a strong attachment to most of those games simply becaus ein their hayday they were available on NEs or SNES and Nitendo fans would be nostalgic for them and cuz its a bargian game that was a quik port to get extra money.
If itw asnt for EA, THQ, Activision and SEGA maintianing support GC would have died in 2004. Nintendo BARLEY sold equal with Xbox (the year before) and it took a HUGE price cut and a special pack in to get that much support back.
Capcom was iffy to begin with and theres nothing Nintendo could have done to fix that Capom just plain screwd Nintendo over in the 64 days by only making what was it three games, all crappy ports to boot. The Resident Evil ports and remakes dindt mean s*** to people who had a ps2 cuz all those games were already playable on it one way or another
Looking back I remeber ever time Nintendo would release one of those Holiday shopping guides I woudl start to get excited about somthing then realized that after no one else did it wasnt going to take off. I had high hopes for GB Player but yet Nintendo screwed that up. I had faith in E-reader simply cuiz Mario 3-e and again thew screwed that up, then Mario PArty E and those NES games could have some difference if Nintendo had chosen to make more games available and kept them as e-reader games instead of re-realsing them as GBA games and over pricing them and killing off e-reader.
The other mistakes they made were mostly image and marketing mistakes and so far they havent done much to improve those much. Dont get me wrong I have full faith in the Virtual Console to sell Revs and the free online and if they get some good FPS games and some good Online games theres a winning combination, me persoanly (Adn damn you if you flame me for my own opinions) I hate the new controller and so do most people I show it to, it wont fix any gameplay issue only create new barriers, deves taking longer to test thier control schemes is what will imrpiove game play and devs trying new things could work without teh remote control device. However that desont mean it wont bea success but if not for the Shell I garuntee you I would pass the rev up all together simply cuz I have aDS and all the old systems. For me GC was mosty dissapointemnts witha few great games mixed with a bunch of crap. To spell it out clearer (and I know MOST of you will diagree but I dont give a*^&*) I hated Pikmin, Paper Mario, Sunshine, Luigis Mansion, Pikmin 2, Animal Crossing, MK Double Dash ALL the mario sports games, every mario party game past 4, F-Zero, and even hated Wind Waker (GASP!)
I dint like and do play MK Deadly Allience, Mega Man Anniversary Collection, Sonic ADventure 1-2 and Heroes, DBZ Budokai, True Crime, Sould Calibur 2, most EA games yes I even loved rogue agent, and games like Star Wars Lego and teh TMNT games, ammong others. I play a lot more than just nintend 1st party games alwasy have been a bigger SEGA fan than Nintendo so I had hopes for Sega making more games for system too, yet I always chose Nintendo over Sony anyday for various reasons. Yet I eventualt caved in and now have the other 2 (thanksa fu%&ink lot Nintendo dumb @$$es! ) seriously I have lost alot of faith, but I haev been playing games since Atari 2600 so have seen giants come and go and yet they remian so they must be doing something right and dmanint I have faith that even if REV isnt as powerfull as Ps3 they can still KILL SONY! if yo manage to read this entire post props to you and pat yourself on the back, if yu got beef wit me or my OPINIONS bring it, if you try and refute FATCS I will reply but as of right now I and all of you only have 3 things to go on, the past,m the present and SPECULATION. Thats it. The past shows us GIANTS can fall yet Nintenod somehow stays around, the present shows us that Nintendo is regaining some midnshare and image plus alot of repsect, the future is up in the air but take everythig togetehr and you will see theres a lot fo reasons to believe Nintendo will come out on top next gen cuz they so far are fixing the MAJOR problems, yet tehres a few areas tehy need to work on, but Ill save that for another post cuz DAMN! just reading this monster hurts!
Topic: 2-3 Times as powerful as GC true, sez IGN (Read 76697 times)
