Author Topic: Zelda WW = OoT 100 years later ? (Read 14699 times)

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #25 on:** April 04, 2003, 09:01:52 AM »

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Originally posted by: BoB007
WTF .... stop bustin MouseClickers balls .... You guys are looking WAAAYYY too into this ..

Umm, Mouse Clicker brought this on himself. He's telling us that we don't know what we are talking about and freaking out but when a bunch of people make post proving him wrong we're busting his balls. Interesting. Besides as I recall Mouse Clicker has done this kind of stuff in the past were he has tried to prove something completely wrong despite what everyone else is saying.

ThePerm · « **Reply #26 on:** April 05, 2003, 03:34:27 PM »

miyamoto said 100 years in a press confernce however...translations could be screwed up and a hundred years can be hundreds of years.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #27 on:** April 05, 2003, 05:18:18 PM »

I am pretty 99% sure Miyamoto HIMSELF said Wind Waker takes place 1000 years after OoT

Gamefreak · « **Reply #28 on:** April 05, 2003, 07:31:40 PM »

About the male Gerudo being born every 100 years, I'm pretty sure Ganondorf was the last one. After the end of Ocarina of time the Gerudos went extinct sooner or later. The last traces of them might be the thiefs from A Link to the Past (like Blind), but then again maybe not....
Ganondorf is immortal as long as he has the Triforce of Power, that's why they have to seal him away, because he can't be killed.

Also, has it occured to anyone that the Wind Waker link might not be the 2nd link? A Link to the Past may very well have taken place between Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask (which have the same Link) and the Wind Waker. So it might be: Link beats down Ganon in Ocarina of time, then goes back in time and goes through the Majora's Mask thingy, then dies, then another Link rises and beats Ganon after he breaks the seal (Link to the Past), but after this time, Hyrule is flooded, and then some time later, the Wind Waker takes place. That way, the Imprisoning war may be talking about Ocarina of Time, and the Wind Waker intro may be talking about both Ocarina of Time and A Link to the Past. Notice in the intro it said that a hero always rose to fight evil, but this time the hero did not appear. Well for a hero to always rise, it must have happened before. (link to the past).

Of course this is just my quick speculation...

yellowfellow · « **Reply #29 on:** April 06, 2003, 06:24:47 AM »

well, i i know miyamoto stated that there are two dimensions; one where adult link seals away ganon, and the other where link returns to his childhood. Now, the WW was stated to take place after the former, which makes sense since the

SPOILER:

.KNIL TLUDA SI ELTSAC ELURYH NI KNIL

Therefore, i think you could think of alttp and the other zeldas to occur after Oot, while in another separate and parallel existing dimension WW is taking place.

Dirk Temporo · « **Reply #30 on:** April 06, 2003, 07:04:01 AM »

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GOD @#%*&!!! I swear to god- none of you must be hardcore Zelda fans because I KNOW somewhere it is said that every 100 years a new Link comes to fight evil. That's how the whole multiple Link theory got started!!! Everyone would've just assumed it was the same Link over and over again if that legend hadn't come up!

No, that got started because Shigeru Miyamato came out and directly said that there was more than one Link. Anyway, Wind Waker is A LOT more than just 100 years afterwards. The King Of Red Lions says himself that it's "hundreds" of years since the original hero.

Chasefox · « **Reply #31 on:** April 06, 2003, 09:42:55 AM »

In response to the statement about when the game takes place, it's 100 years after Adult Link beat Ganon. This is according to Mr. Aonuma, not Miyamoto. You can see it at www.zelda.com. Here is the quote: "Where does The Wind Waker fit into the overall timeline of the Legend of Zelda?

Mr. Aonuma: In terms of the storyline, we've decided that this takes place 100 years after the events in The Ocarina of Time. We think that as you play through the game, you'll notice that in the beginning the storyline explains some of the events in The Ocarina of Time. You'll also find hints of things from The Ocarina of Time that exist in The Wind Waker.

There's also a more complicated explanation. If you think back to the end of The Ocarina of Time, there were two endings to that game in different time periods. First Link defeated Ganon as an adult, and then he actually went back to being a child. You could say that The Wind Waker takes place 100 years after the ending in which Link was an adult."

Chris150 · « **Reply #32 on:** April 06, 2003, 11:50:13 AM »

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Mr. Aonuma: In terms of the storyline, we've decided that this takes place 100 years after the events in The Ocarina of Time. We think that as you play through the game, you'll notice that in the beginning the storyline explains some of the events in The Ocarina of Time. You'll also find hints of things from The Ocarina of Time that exist in The Wind Waker.

The intro seems to contradict that statement.

Chasefox · « **Reply #33 on:** April 06, 2003, 02:24:43 PM »

The whole thing where it says "quote:" is the quote. It's all understandable if you read through the whole thing. It's not my opinion at the bottom, that's what Mr. Aonuma says.

Chris150 · « **Reply #34 on:** April 06, 2003, 02:57:18 PM »

I know that. But have you watched the intro to WW? It disproves that it takes place 100 years after. More like hundreds like The King of Red Lions says. Or maybe 100 years after OoT is when Hyrule gets flooded...

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #35 on:** April 06, 2003, 05:13:02 PM »

Yes, Aonuma said that the game takes place 100 years after Ocarina, but he also said that every Zelda game has a new Link when that is not true. Yes, there is more than one Link but some games like Ocarina and Majora's Mask have the same Link. I think Aonuma was just generalizing things. There is more than one Link so he says that every game has a new Link even though that's not right. There is a great deal of time between Ocarina and Wind Waker so he says that there is a 100 years between the two even though that's not right.

In my opinion the game should be taken as the final word on this issue. When the game uses words and phrases like "ages" and "hundreds of years" there is clearly more than just a 100 years between Ocarina and Wind Waker. Also the fact of the matter is that a 1,000 years makes a whole hell of a lot more sense than a 100 years.

RahXephon · « **Reply #36 on:** April 06, 2003, 09:36:25 PM »

i wish there was a flash back seen showing the goddess burying hyrule in water and carrying the people above land, that would be cool. Anyway, time is only a matter of preception, and cannot accurately be measured, especially if every statement contradicts every other.

Someone said it takes a while to become a legend, thats not rue, because he could save the day, everyone finds out it was him, and immedieately praise him, especially that he saved their lives.

You think they should make a zelda game where the two universes from OoT should combine, allowing you to initially play as both kid and adult (Thta could make some insane puzzles) and the goal is to unite both of them to give them enough power to finally finish of Ganondorf in the last 2 games.

Chasefox · « **Reply #37 on:** April 07, 2003, 12:36:39 PM »

No Chris150, I haven't played WW. I'd probably understand what your saying and I would probably take yourside once I see it. I just listed that quote to show what he said. I thought it might be helpful.

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #38 on:** April 07, 2003, 05:45:50 PM »

If you haven't played the game then why we're you arguing with us. The whole point of the thread was that Aonuma said one thing while the game says another. We knew what Aonuma said from the beginning of this whole thing.

odinfire · « **Reply #39 on:** April 08, 2003, 11:55:46 AM »

I know everyone likes to have continuity in stories (i.e. how fans create fantastic continuity sequences for the Friday the 13th films) but has it occured to anyone that the games can just stand on their own. Personally I like to think that each game I play is a new story and I like to think of it that way.

I know Wind Waker is supposed to have continuity after Ocarina of Time but there are crucial things that are left unanswered and I think its intentional. What gets me is that I dont think the creators even know what the hell is going on. My questions...

1. Why dont Link and Zelda ever shack up? I thought this was one reason why in the end of Ocarina of Time they show them meet and freeze frame. In addition if Link actually went into the future and defeated Ganon of the future and then came back in time, wouldnt that sort of create some sort of circle. Wouldn't that freeze framed meeting at the end of Ocarina of Time be the Link and Zelda's first meeting. AGAIN??? Therefore she would be showing Link whats going on inside the window? I guess that would depend on exactly what time Zelda sent Link back. But I always thought that is what the ending was clearly trying to depict (at least until Majora's Mask). PLEASE CORRECT ME IN MY THINKING IF I AM NO WHERE NEAR CORRECT. THIS ISSUE GIVES ME QUITE A PERPLEXING HEADACHE.

2. Look at Wind Waker closely... Zelda is a decendant of the King. BUT she has pointed ears like the forest people... i.e... Link. Perhaps they never get together because they are in fact related. Brother and sister. Ocarina never really explains this. We just begin with Link being a ditched forest kid. Who exactly is Link's mother. Perhaps the "Queen" of Hyrule strayed from the King for a night and Link was concieved. She couldn't keep him as all hell would break loose in the family and she sent him to the forest. My question is what exactly is Links heritage, why is it intentionally ignored, and where does Grandma and the present Link fit in. Why does Zelda have pointed ears and yet the King is human? What exactly did happen to Link in Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask? I was kinda hoping Grandma in Wind Waker would have been some sort of decendant of Zelda herself therefore explaining why she had the "Hyrulian shield" in her possession. I THOUGHT that perhaps Zelda and Link might have gotten together at one point explaining how the current Link is a decendant. But I dont know. Again... ANOTHER PERPLEXING HEADACHE.

I guess Ive raised more questions then I have tried to answer but I think its really important to trying to establish a timeline. (If indeed it can be done sucessfully which I cant really see happening unless its contrived). The only real asset is the ability to pass through time. Evidently the Wind Waker has that ability too. Time warping seems to be the only real answer.

Oh and one more thing and it really really annoys the hell out of me... Why is it "Hylian" and not "Hyrulian"? I can never quite understand this. I must be missing something or quite a lot. And just so you know, Im 30 years old, bought and played every Zelda game from beginning to now. I am a loyalist, in other words, Im not a newbie to the series, just a little confused.

Please help and I look forward to any comments.

rodtod · « **Reply #40 on:** April 08, 2003, 03:24:31 PM »

odinfire, on the topic of Link and Zelda getting hooked up, Nintendo usually stays away from serious romance. I mean, look at how they poked fun at the idea of love via those two lovers in OoT! 'Course, this is because the Zelda series is one childhood fantasy after another. Honestly, kids can't discuss such topics as love and marriage without snickering. So Nintendo just doesn't bother.

Not to be rude, but for WW, Princess Zelda isn't exactly high up on the beautiful princess list. She's only 12-ish! As for the OoT Zelda (when Link is an adult), I think her voice was a bit of a turn-off to Link. Quote: "alhglkahgkw!!?"

as for the second point, there is a good possibility that Zelda and Link are related. here's a hypothetical monster: What if Link's mother was also Zelda's mother? What if she was the queen of Hyrule? I mean, I've always wondered why there's a princess, yet never a queen (we've already seen the king). Just something to ponder

Chris150 · « **Reply #41 on:** April 08, 2003, 04:14:31 PM »

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Look at Wind Waker closely... Zelda is a decendant of the King. BUT she has pointed ears like the forest people... i.e... Link.

Actually, in OoT all Hylians have pointed ears and i think the forest people have round ears. Also i thought King Hyrule did have pointed ears, maybe just not that noticable.

In response to Link's mother, The Deku Tree in OoT said that Link's mom was gonna die but before she did she left Link with the Deku tree to protect Link from the wars in Hyrule. Link's dad could've been a soldier that died in the war too.

Marcus Arillius · « **Reply #42 on:** April 08, 2003, 07:08:18 PM »

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No, it isn't true. It's a video game.

Thank God someone has a grasp on reality and is able to make a distinction between it and a video game.

If you really want to know, why don't you guys write Shiggy or Nintendo and ask?

rodtod · « **Reply #43 on:** April 08, 2003, 07:44:07 PM »

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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
GOD @#%*&!!! I swear to god- none of you must be hardcore Zelda fans because I KNOW somewhere it is said that every 100 years a new Link comes to fight evil. That's how the whole multiple Link theory got started!!! Everyone would've just assumed it was the same Link over and over again if that legend hadn't come up!

mouse_clicker, are you sure you're not refering to a Gerudo legend? Only once every 100 years, a Gerudo male is born. So, for this culture, men are very rare, and very valuable.

Could that be it? I've often confused random trivia too, so don't worry about it. But if there is a tale saying a new hero appears every century, then the Hylians spend a good 99 years feeling helpless and insecure.

RahXephon · « **Reply #44 on:** April 09, 2003, 10:35:33 PM »

are people with pointed ears elfs or just geneticly diffrent, like hair coloring. I know in OoT they are, but WW seems to be diffrent, which make sme wonder. There are no adulty with pointed ears, i wonder if they grow out of it. OoT link was only 17, so he is still a kid. I know as a zelda fan i should know these answers but i dont... so uh, tell me please

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #45 on:** April 10, 2003, 09:10:29 AM »

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Ganondorf remains alive because of the Triforce of Power - which he doesn't lose until the original Zelda game from NES. This is why the first two games will always be at the end of the timeline.

THink about this.

If the King of Hyrule could plead to the Goddess' to flood Hyrule, why couldn't he have just pleaded for them to save the land, instead of flooding the land (which is stupid in itself, but this way Nintendo can conveniently get the game they want)? And why at the end did he use the Triforce to wash away the castle instead of saving the land? By my account Zelda 2: Adventures of Link should be the last game in the series, and if Hyrule was flooded in Wind Waker, which is set about 100 years after Ocarina of Time and before A Link to the Past, then how would the New Hyrule (it would have to be new since Old Hyrule was destroyed in Wind Waker) have their towns named after the Sages in Ocarina of Time? (I thought it a wonderful idea to give the Sages the same name's as the towns in Zelda 2, BTW) How would New Hyrule know about the Sages to name the towns after them?

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time is where Ganondorf becomes pig-man Ganon, or at least Nintendo wants us to think. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past is where Ganondorf is already Ganon -aside from his short stint as the wizard Ahgnamin (sp?) and the instance of the Dark World being corrupted by him and became pig-man Ganon (I thought he was pig-man Ganon in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time at the last battle?, there are holes and inconsistencies in the stories. How can he become pig-man in Ocarina when in A Link to the Past, the corruption of the Golden Land ala Dark World turns him into Ganon?) This would make sense (him becoming pig-man in A Link to the Past; because in the very first The Legend of Zelda game, it is just pig-man Ganon and he his killed at the end and the whole premise of Zelda 2: Adventures of Links is about the forces of evil trying to resurrect Ganon.

The only thing I can think of is that The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker takes place after the events of all the other previous Zelda games, meaning that every Zelda game previously has been within a 100 year time period.

MY ZELDA TIME LINE
1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
3. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
4. The Legend of Zelda
5. Zelda 2: Adventures of Link
6. The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
7. The Legend of Zelda: The Oracle of Season's
7. The Legend of Zelda: The Oracle of Age's
(The true ending of the Oracle games have pig-man Ganon in the process of being resurrected)
8. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker

By my calculations, The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker is now the last game in the series story-wise, it would rule out a New Hyrule, at least until the next Zelda game, but doesn't help to fill in the gaps about the first truth of pig-man Ganon. Was the pig-man Ganon at the end of Ocarina not really pig-man, but merely a form Ganondorf took on out of rage, and that he wasn't forever connected to the form, being that his corruption of the Golden Land into the Dark World making him pig-man Ganon by reflecting his true form (of course if he had the Moon Pearl he could just reverse the effects, or was he corrupted to the point that it was permanent?)

So, when did Ganondorf really become Ganon?

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #46 on:** April 10, 2003, 10:25:04 AM »

For all we know, the OoT and WW Ganon could be someone completely different than the LttP Ganon...We really don't know...What we need is more story input from future Zeldas, which I am sure will fill in the gap inbetween the already existing sections of the series

Chris150 · « **Reply #47 on:** April 10, 2003, 04:04:25 PM »

I thought King Hyrule said to wash away Hyrule, not completely destroy it. Maybe in a future Zelda game someone gets the Triforce and wishes for Hyrule to be restored.

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Author Topic: Zelda WW = OoT 100 years later ? (Read 14699 times)