Topic: Your most hated games?

[Grey Ninja]

First, a foreword.  I am creating this thread because I want to know what elements it is that people think makes a bad game really bad.  I know that there are plenty of horrible games out there like Bible Adventures, Total Recall, and ET, but we don't generally hate them, because nobody plays them.  They are simply too bad.  I am more interested in games that you honestly hate, for whatever reason.  Generally, these games should be popular.  No doubt games that I really like, or games that YOU really like will be named here.  Let's just try to stay tolerant with eachother, ok?  It's not a crime to like a game that someone else hates, or vice versa.

#1:  Grand Theft Auto 3
This game gets put at the top of my list for the simple reason that it started a big riot that I didn't want to happen.  It was insanely popular, not for any of its good features, but more for the simple fact that you could pick up hookers then get your money back by running them over.  It's one thing to put that content into a cheap flash game and get a bunch of fans, it's quite another to make such a game into a system seller.  The game did do some things right, but it did far more wrong, and that's why it's at the top of my list.  I don't want games like this to become the driving force of the industry.

#2:  Chrono Cross
This game was a completely inappropriate sequel to one of my most beloved games.  The gameplay wasn't anything special, and NOTHING like the first game, the artwork was just crappy, and the story wasn't anything worth writing home about.  Worst of all, the characters had next to zero back story, and not a single one of them was worth a single bit of my feeling.  If you haven't played this game, you aren't missing out on much.

#3:  Metal Gear Solid 2
Like #2, this is a complete perversion of everything I loved about a game.  It basically took everything that was in Metal Gear Solid 1, and changed it around a little.  It took the same story, and made it suck.  It took the same characters, then made them insipid and unworthy of my emotion, but enhanced the graphics and the gameplay a little.  The end result is a game that is absolutely painful to play after the first hour.  This is coupled with the fact that Konami hid the facts when marketting the game that the tanker level is only a small part of the game, and is the only good part.  It just made the fans feel even more cheated when they sat down to play the game, expecting to play as the good old Solid Snake, and instead getting some little weakling named Raiden.  This game can rot in hell.

#4:  Parasite Eve 2
Bad sequels seems to be a common thing in my list.  This is another fine example of Square taking a fine franchise and making it suck more than you ever thought possible.  The first game featured a VERY good and very coherent story, and some great character development.  The gameplay was fresh and new, and something I had never seen before in an RPG.  The second game had a REALLY crappy story, next to zero character development, and the gameplay was a cheap Resident Evil knockoff with some of the most unbalanced gameplay ever.  The game just bored the hell out of me.  I hated it because it was one of my most anticipated games for a long time.

#5:  Final Fantasy XI
This list just wouldn't be complete without a Final Fantasy.  Although I hate VIII, IX, X, AND X-2, I still hate XI the most.  Even the IDEA of an online Final Fantasy pisses me off.  If they didn't destroy the franchise enough already, they just wanted to weld the coffin shut so that no gamer would ever trust them again.  I hate this game even more because I know without a shadow of a doubt that so many American gamers will buy this game and be ranting and raving about how good it is before you know it.  I shudder just to think of it.  This position also serves as a placeholder for my much hated VIII, IX, X, and X-2, which all deserve my hatred, but would consume too much space on this list.

#6: Halo
This game just irritates me because of its popularity.  It might be a decent enough game, but constantly hearing people yap about how great the graphics are just sort of annoys me.  The parts of the game I have seen aren't anything to write home about, and has some.... atrocious framerates in some areas, some horrible animations, and the most sparse levels you have ever seen.  I think the level designers might have been napping, or just plain lazy.  Also, I might mention that it's just another FPS.  There are 12 million of them on PC, and this one is going to be on it soon as well.  I really don't see why it should be a game that you would buy an Xbox just to play.  You can tell that I am not an FPS player from my attitude, but whatever.  If you buy a console to play an FPS, that's just a sign that you need to upgrade your PC instead of shelling out that money for an Xbox.  Sorry, but system seller this should not be.  However, this game is reasonably low on my list, not only because there are worse games, but because something good did come out of it.

#7: Counterstrike
The game that defines lame.  I can tell if someone is a Counterstrike fan simply by the way they talk.  I refused to play any online games for years after I tried this one.  The game itself is good, but the fanbase is composed of the biggest collection of idiots and lamers you have ever met.  I don't think I really need to elaborate, as I am sure you all know what I am talking about.

#8: Legend of Mana
Last of the sequels on this list I hope.  This game is just boring.  I don't think it needs much more explanation.  It doesn't really do anything all that well.  In creating a completely open gameplay experience, they made the game suck.  It isn't THAT bad of a game I suppose, but I am just angry that the beta testers didn't tell the programmers that their game sucked before it launched.  

#9: Doom
Let's make one thing clear before I start off on this one.  I respect this game very much for some of the things it did for the industry.  It gave us true 3D graphics, it gave us a new genre, and it was a game that helped push video games into the mainstream.  However, I hate FPS games, and this one spawned all kinds of "me too" games, and I feel that it is one of the games that helped to push graphics over gameplay.  The main difference between Doom and Serious Sam is the graphics quality, and that really irritates me, and is one of the driving forces regarding my hating FPS games.  John Carmack is a great guy, and deserving of all our respect, but I just hate how much of what he does is for the sake of graphics, and I hate how much his games are copied in the industry.  It's why I scarcely play PC games anymore, because they are all Doom clones.

#10: Metroid Prime
This one will no doubt shock you all.  Although I own this game, and do play it now and then, I just find it uninteresting.  I was hoping for a system that was radically different from an FPS when I started playing the game, but I just couldn't shake the feeling that it was an FPS when I was playing it.  For some reason, the game also gives me motion sickness, making it very difficult for me to play.  It's strange, as I can play many other FPS games, console and PC alike without problems.  I am not a fan of FPS games, and this game just feels too much like one for me.  I will give it a thumbs up for graphics, level design, and programming feats though.  Truth be told, this game is only here because I couldn't think of a better #10, and I just wanted to include it because of its insane popularity when there are plenty of better games on GameCube that are frequently overlooked because of it.  I don't really hate it that much though.  I am mostly indifferent on this one, as I feel it does just as much right as wrong.  It could be that my enjoyment of it is dampened simply because I can't play it for long due to the inevitable motion sickness, and the cursed part of the game that I am stuck at.

[KnowsNothing]

Grand Theft Auto: Vice City

For the exact same reason as you, so i will post YOUR paragraph.

This game gets put at the top of my list for the simple reason that it started a big riot that I didn't want to happen. It was insanely popular, not for any of its good features, but more for the simple fact that you could pick up hookers then get your money back by running them over. It's one thing to put that content into a cheap flash game and get a bunch of fans, it's quite another to make such a game into a system seller. The game did do some things right, but it did far more wrong, and that's why it's at the top of my list. I don't want games like this to become the driving force of the industry.

[Aretak]

Super Smash Brothers Melee.

I know most people seem to love this game more than life itself, but I just couldn't stand it. Once the novelty value of fighting with Nintendo characters wears off, the game itself just isn't that good. I still have PowerStone 2 for the Dreamcast which is the same type of thing as SSBM, and I find it infinitely superior, and a lot more fun to play. Just can't figure out what all the fuss about SSBM is about...  

[kennyb27]

Donkey Kong 64
This is the absolute perfection of the "collection" genre.  Unfortunately for Rare, that's not really a genre and the collection aspect of this game--hell, just the game in general--gets real old, real fast.  

[manunited4eva22]

Well actually Castle Wolfenstein was the first FPS, so blame it not doom

Games I hate:

Tribes for PS2
I hate ports. I mean the game was destroyed without voice chat. It really hurt the games value.

UT2003
Gee, you guys missed the memo, we still wanted Team Death Match. Also don't like how insanely fast the gameplay is, just too fast for games with more than 14 players.

MOH: Spearhead, and frontline.

This is what happens when you try to milk a franchise that has just reached near perfection.
Moh: allied assault reached near perfection in the multiplayer. Spearhead and frontline are horrible changes.

Frontline attempts to be a normal console fps, but medal of honor was never set up to be a console fps. You don't have good snipers, or rifles in consoles, because no one can aim fast enough. Spearhead tried to copy UT2003, made what what would have been a decent game into a bad game.

I mostly play FPS, so thats all for now.

[manunited4eva22]

Well actually Castle Wolfenstein was the first FPS, so blame it not doom

Games I hate:

Tribes for PS2
I hate ports. I mean the game was destroyed without voice chat. It really hurt the games value.

UT2003
Gee, you guys missed the memo, we still wanted Team Death Match. Also don't like how insanely fast the gameplay is, just too fast for games with more than 14 players.

MOH: Spearhead, and frontline.

This is what happens when you try to milk a franchise that has just reached near perfection.
Moh: allied assault reached near perfection in the multiplayer. Spearhead and frontline are horrible changes.

Frontline attempts to be a normal console fps, but medal of honor was never set up to be a console fps. You don't have good snipers, or rifles in consoles, because no one can aim fast enough. Spearhead tried to copy UT2003, made what what would have been a decent game into a bad game.

I mostly play FPS, so thats all for now.

[Berny]

Ok, probably 3 people have heard of this one but Buck Bumble. Been a while since I played but I THINK the problem was the controls. And I despise Sonic Adventures 1 and 2. Sonic should stick to 2d.

[KnowsNothing]

Another game that everybody seems to love is

Madden 2003

Somethign about bad graphics makes a sports game better.  Unfortunatley, Madden 2003 was too realistic.  I loved the two Madden games for the N64, I even loved madden 2002 for GC, which wasn't much different.  But somehting about 2003 makes the game unenjoyable.  I can't realy put my finger on what i hate, i just do.

[>X< Kitten >X<]

Super Mario and Sonic Adventure DX are the worst games to my eyes. But unlike Berny, I think Sonic Adventure 2: Battle was great.

[Gup]

Suikoden - it didn't live up to its sequel's everything(I played 2 then 3 first).
The Legend of Dragoon - an FF7 ripoff.
Kingdom Hearts - it's such a bad game that lives off the Final Fantasy and Disney characters.
Parasite Eve - this and probably it's sequel are some of Square's worst games.
JetForce Gemini - I liked it, finished it, but the teddy bear collecting was such a bad idea.

[Hostile Creation]

You guys have some dumb worst games, no offense.  You should see sh!t like Darkened Skye before you even start talking about stuff like Metroid Prime and SSBM.  Then again, Metroid Prime is my favorite FPS ever (though, unlike Grey Ninja, it didn't strike me as being much like one) and SSBM if the best fighting game ever.  Period.  I don't know why you found it boring, but I played that game and no other game for a whole six months, always pretty regularly, and I STILL love the game.  And my friends and I still play it quite a lot, though I've sort of slacked off on it single player-wise.

[Gup]

I see your point Hostile Creation(ex. 1st post).  Maybe this topic should've been called most overrated games.

[mouse_clicker]

I'm not going to type a huge paragraph or anything, but suffice it to say I absolutely despised Soul Reaver (and this was before I had played Blood Omen or any other SK game, or had even heard of SK). It hurt my brain so much I could only play it for 20 minutes. Luckily I got it as a Christmas present and didn't pay for it.

Otherwise I completely and utterly disagree with Grey Ninja, for reasons I'm sure a thousand other people will flame him with.

[PIAC]

i join in on the hateing of Donkey Kong 64 i was expecting a brilliant 3D rendition of DKC, but nope! it took mario 64, banjo kazooie, donkey kong and about 3 kilos of lame mashed them all togeather, carefully strained out the good ingredients, and was left with a big sticky smelly pile of lame... and monkey fur.. whats worse is it got good reveiws in magazines, so there for i figured it would be good and got it, bupbow! the graphics were great, the gameplay wasn't.

heres a shock for you, The Wind Waker not for the actual game, which is an absolute joy to play, a glimps of heaven if you will, but the reaction it got from 90% of the gaming public, it was written off FAR too early, and further pushed nintendo into the ITS KIDDY ROFLIES WTF LOLZ! section of peoples minds, i wouldn't have wanted the graphics done any other way, they are stunning, its just the reaction of the public that causes me to hate it. if there was some way for it to be released and not have every man woman and CHILD flame it to a crisp then that would be alot better. did that make sence?

other than that i can't really name anything else, besides GTA 3/VC for their popularity for the 'wrong' reasons (wrong in my eyes anyway) and halo because people wont shut up about it (i haven't played it so i wont pass judgement)

[Molobert]

Donkey Kong 64 as well. This game just blows. I bought it on Ebay with the expansion pack, and even for Ebay prices it wasn't worth it. As PIAC and KennyB said it's just a collection fest. Too many items, characters, and things you have to do. Bleh.

I strongly dislike the 3-d sonic games. The series just wasn't meant for 3-d.

Return to Castle Wolfenstein for PS2 (the most recent one). I played this on my friend's PS2. It is pretty much a clone of every other FPS, except it was very boring, the graphics were bland, the level layout was confusing, and it had bad control.

[Djunknown]

Damn, sounds like we have picky players in our midst. But hey, to each his own. Now on the bashing:

Star Fox Adventures
Where do I begin? I bought this game, completely unaware of its devolopment story. Only after a week or so did I get the skinny on how this game was made. I believe Rare had just been purchased by Microsoft when I bought it, so I came in with the expecatation of Rare going out with a bang with this.

I was incorrect. It had eye-poping graphics for sure, but its gameplay didn't wow me as much. I let it slide for a while but it really hit the wall with a few situations

1) There was a portion where you had to outrun and destroy reptites(?) on speeders. You had to memorize the entire track (7 minutes worth) and if you didn't get ALL of them( 4 or so), you had to start over.

2) There was a part of the game where you had to to do a "test of strength" with a tribes champion. This test was simply how fast you can mash the A button. I tried this for WEEKS, mashing, mashing, almost bashing my controller. My thumb went stiff for a few days after this incident, and when it healed, I left Star Fox to rot. Then my best friend comes to town who possesed a turbo controller. I loaned the controller and beat that segment I was working on for weeks on end in a few seconds. I literally cried after I succeded.

3)This was the kicker which led me to resell the game at Gamestop. This portion involved in focusing on the top part of your screen, keeping a little  dot in the center while so much action was happening below the screen. It was an interesting design I'm sure, in practice was impossible for me. While an object flew by the left side, your thumb almost naturally tilted left, going off center. Same thing for the right. Now imagine that, but in mere eyeblinks, in many directions. I threw my hands in fustration and resold the game. I used to that money to Pre-Order Zelda (with the Zelda 64 bonus) and was a happy camper. (Except for Wind Wakers difficulty but that's another story.)

Generally I'm forgiving with games, but this one just threw me for a loop. But at least its now Microsoft's problem

[Termin8Anakin]

My most hated games? These aren't in order, btw:

Most of Sony's popular games, like Tomb Raider, Pandemonium, Croc, Crash Bandicoot, Destruction Derby, Gran Turismo and Grand Theft Auto. The PSOne had so many below par games that I am surprised any of them were bought.

GTA3/VC: Everyone has said what I have been saying to my friends, who worship this game - that it is popular for all the wrong reasons. But because there is so much freedom and, dare I say, depth to the game, kids will use that as a reason to get it frmo their parents, and continue to kill innocent bystanders for their cash and weapons.

Star Fox Adventures: This game was great. It had great gameplay, the coolest and clearest graphics this side of Metroid, but there are just some parts that are rediculous, and shame goes to Rare for having even put them in - that snow speeder chase at the beginning of the game is impossible. I thought you had to kill the Sharpclaws, but noooooo, you just have to simply OUTRUN them. And you know what? Even when you do, you STILL fall down the waterfall, except instead of starting over, Tricky is there. The second is the Test of Fear. Keeping the line in the green area is an ok idea i guess, but given the weak tension of the GC stick, when teh line shoots over to one side, it is impossible to stop.
For Rare's last game on the GC, this was a stinker. But as a game in general, it was great.

Donkey Kong 64: As with SFA, a great game. Cool level design, detailed graphics, and fun humour made me love this game. And the music! Wow! Rare had a knack for making great midis (see JFG, Banjo and Diddy Kong Racing), and this was just pure heaven. But the collecting? Nooooooooooooooo!
EVERY kong has to collect 100 bananas EACH, 75 coins EACH, Banana medals, instruments, weapons and ammo! UGH! Its good to have parts of the level that only one kong can get through, but the collecting was rediculous.

Star Wars: Rogue Squadron/Rogue Leader: The first one had the most rediculous learning curve of any game i've ever played. Play 'Raid on Sollust' and the last level (with the World Devastators), and you'll see what i mean.
Rogue Leader remedied this, but it was the abilities and features of the ships that pissed me off. Aren't Slave 1 and the Falcon meant to be the fastest ships and have 100 times more shields than the Y-Wings? Play a level with Slave 1, and you'll see that is is slower than an ant with bricks on its back, with shields weaker than a TIE (which has none). Also, I'd like to be able to glide smoothly around the asteroids and friagtes like in Empire Strikes Back and RotJ with the Falcon. A quicker turning circle when pressing Z should do the trick.
All in all, both these games make it so that you need cheats to be good (for me, anyway).

There are more games I hate, but it would take up twn more pages of this thread, so I think I'll leave it there.

[aoi tsuki]

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Well actually Castle Wolfenstein was the first FPS, so blame it not doom

Actually, there was at last one FPS before that. The one that first comes to mind was an EGA wonder which escapes me at the moment. i can't even remember the developer, but they were big back in the DOS gaming days. Could be Apogee... must Google it.

While there's several games i don't like, the only game i can think of that i hate would be Tao Feng. The characters' names are extremely generic and the female character designs are diddle candy for boys. The controls are sluggish and way too complicated. Add to this an unforgiving AI and gameplay that's seriously combo-heavy.

i almost forgot Enter the Matrix, which was actually enjoyable at times, though i don't think this was Shiny's intention. While the fight animations were decent, common animations like those for running and climbing looked clumsy. There were parts of the game that were unabashed shootouts, and parts for some stealth, but if you tried to inject stealth into an action sequence or vice versa, you paid dearly for it. There were times when you could shoot an enemy at point blank range with a shotgun, and they'll give you a Hollywood elbow (one which looks like it connected but missed by a mile) for your troubles, sometimes even killing you with it. There wasn't always a clear indication of where to go, despite an arrow which points to your next objective, Crazy Taxi-style. Sometimes taking an alternate path meant avoiding enemies, but usually it meant falling to your death or running into a dead end with an invincible agent on your back. Some areas were scripted, so there was only one way to approach them, but there's no way of knowing that until you've died multiple times in vain, plotting the deaths of Shiny family members all the while. Think you're being smart by sniping a guy in the distance? Surprise! You can shoot him because he's in an area you've gotten to, even though he's clearly within sniper rifle range. The driving scenes were fun at first, but got old quick. The worst moment in the game, was definitely at the end. You have to escape the waves of sentinels in the tunnels. As Niobe you "pilot" the Logos. Note that i use the word "pilot" in the same sense that crap is "piloted" through the sewer system. You really only have to hold the R trigger down and occasionally hit a direction. You can't die. As Ghost, you have to fire upon the sentinels as Niobe pilots, which is dificult because of the twists and turns in the tunnels and also because there's no targeting reticule. So you have no idea where to aim until you fire your stream of infinte ammo, which may or may not have any effect on the swarms. You can actually die here, but you have to literally leave the controller on the floor, make a sandwich, and come back.

[Uncle Rich AiAi]

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Originally posted by: Grey Ninja
#7: Counterstrike
The game that defines lame.  I can tell if someone is a Counterstrike fan simply by the way they talk.  I refused to play any online games for years after I tried this one.  The game itself is good, but the fanbase is composed of the biggest collection of idiots and lamers you have ever met.  I don't think I really need to elaborate, as I am sure you all know what I am talking about.

You just summed up my friend!  He plays CS all the time and thinks CS is the best game since sliced bread.  He is even a member of a clan.

Anyway, on to my hated games:

FPS - Okay, not a game, but a genre.  If there's a genre that has made me play less and less PC games over the years, this is it.  I am sick to death of the amount of FPS on the PC and I get bored quickly of just running around shooting enemies.  Although Medal of Honor: Allied Assult was a rare FPS that I enjoyed, I haven't brought another one since.

RTS - Again, not a game, but a genre.  I am sick of the all C&C, Warcraft games and clones, and people buying them.  Another reason why I'm sick of most PC games.  Thank god for Nintendo and Miyamoto, Pikmin was a innovative and refreshing RTS to play.

Super Smash Brothers Melee. - I'm with Aretak on this game.  Thank god I gave it a rent before buying.  I didn't like it and don't understand (and never will) what's so great about it.

Star Wars Rogue Leader: Rogue Squadron II - The only GameCube game I've regretted buying thus far.  I don't understand what's the fuss about this game is.  Sure, it had great graphics for a launch title, but Factor 5 are no god.  The missions were lame and boring.  And can someone please tell me why the f**k I had to fly a X-Wing to destroy 2 Star Destroyers.  That's the B-Wings job.  That mission pissed me hell and back.  I loved X-Wing and TIE Fighter (one of my top 3 PC games ever) on the PC, and Rogue Squadron II is not even close to these games in terms of gameplay.  And a memo to Factor 5; please stop it with these Hoth missions.

Final Fantasy series - I shouldn't make any judgments about this series because the only FF I've played is the FF8 demo (which I found to be boring and the game took itself too serious, thus taking away the fun).  But what really makes me dislike FF are the fans.  A lot of them play the games because it is hyped and cool.  And it reallys annoys me that they think FF is the only good RPG around and the only RPG they know (besides Kingdom Hearts).

[Termin8Anakin]

Hoth is the best level of them all!
I can't wait to play the FULL Hoth experience in RS3!!!!!

I'm actually drawn to Final Fantasy, though only the FMVs. I played FFVII, and well, got bored when i hoped off the train at the beginning.
FFVIII and FFX draw me in the most cause they're like love stories in fantasical worlds.
The trailer for FFX on NextGen's E3 2001 DVD is absolutely beautiful. I love the 'To Zanarkand' piano song. And if anyone knows what the 'battle' music in the trailer is, would you please tell me what it is?
Thanks.

[rpglover]

"#2: Chrono Cross
This game was a completely inappropriate sequel to one of my most beloved games. The gameplay wasn't anything special, and NOTHING like the first game, the artwork was just crappy, and the story wasn't anything worth writing home about. Worst of all, the characters had next to zero back story, and not a single one of them was worth a single bit of my feeling. If you haven't played this game, you aren't missing out on much."

YES YES and YES- i agree with you here- it was most definately the most dissapointing rpg i have ever played in my life- the main thing i hate about it the most is that most web sites and gaming magazines go gaga over this game- they make it like it was the second coming or something- if you dont believe me- go to gamespot.com- i like their reviews a whole lot but it got a PERFECT 10 on that web site- horrible- as for gameplay, too many characters were in that game, so it just was not fun- i love the suikoden series, which has 108 characters in each game, but chrono cross was just not fun- i dont know how to explain it besides what grey said, but it just isnt worth your time, especially if you loved chrono trigger (which is miles ahead of cross)

i too agree with gta- to me it just gets too old- the missions are alright, but once they are done, i just could not get into the game at all- halo is a good game, but once again too many web sites and magazines made this game out to be like the second coming again (which would be the third coming now if you count chrono cross.....) but halo is a good game on its own right- it does a lot of things good, but it just is like every other shooter out there

i dont like FFX that much either though- it was an alright game on its own merits, but i just think the series has lost it since FF6- 7 was alright, but that could be my only exception- i dont like the new ones out on the ps2 that much- i hope FF12 can take the series back to were it should go and feel more like the snes rpgs than these new games with more focus on graphics than gameplay

[thecubedcanuck]

I will only use games from this generation of titles THAT I OWN, OR HAVE PLAYED

1 - Mario sunshine
               
As a huge fan of mario 64 this game just stunk. I truly hated every aspect of it, from the repetativeness of it, the lame theme, FLUDD, only seven levels and so  on. IMO this game had the worst camera of any game I have ever played, and after 10 minutes I was searching for the gravel pills.

2 - Wind waker

I really dont understand all the fuss about this game, it was to easy, too boring, and just didnt appeal to me at all.

3 - Luigi's Mansion

Sunshine in a castle with a vaccuum instead of a water pistol. Just not for me.

4 - SSBM

This could almost be number 1, why did anyone like this game? Then again I hate fighting games.

5 - 007 AUF

What the hell was EA thinking


MY favorite games this generation, again that I OWN OR HAVE PLAYED

1 - Grand theft Auto 3

1 - Eternal darkness

2 - HAlo

3 - Timesplitters 2

4 - tiger woods 2003

5 - madden 2004

[Grey Ninja]

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Originally posted by: aoi tsuki

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Well actually Castle Wolfenstein was the first FPS, so blame it not doom

Actually, there was at last one FPS before that. The one that first comes to mind was an EGA wonder which escapes me at the moment. i can't even remember the developer, but they were big back in the DOS gaming days. Could be Apogee... must Google it.

I believe that would be Blake Stone.  I have a copy of that game somewhere I believe.  I realize that Doom was not the first, but Doom was the flagship FPS game.  It also created the idolization of graphics that I so hate.  It didn't really change much from Wolfenstein 3D, save a different environment and better graphics.  It was with this game that iD started selling their engines to make lots and lots of clones just like Doom.  A smart business move, but eventually killed the PC gaming world in my eyes.  It just irritates me that there are never more than 2 genres existing on PC at once.

RPGLover, you sound a hell of a lot like me.    I too am hoping for a revival of Final Fantasy with XII.  Since Quest is making it, I hope they can relive the magic of FFT

[rpglover]

"RPGLover, you sound a hell of a lot like me.  I too am hoping for a revival of Final Fantasy with XII. Since Quest is making it, I hope they can relive the magic of FFT"

excellent  they say great minds think alike.....but yes i just want a good final fantasy again- some games just should not be changed in my mind- personally i like the dragon quest series how it is- i like how they have kept the same gameplay in tact since the first one with little touches here and there for each new one- i would have liked to see the newer final fantasy's stick to how the old ones were designed- the graphics may be nice in FFX but that is all it has going for it (for me anyway)- they forgot to add in good gameplay- its hard to explain but i hope that FFXII FEELS like a snes final fantasy

[Gup]

It's funny how people keep trashing the Final Fantasy series since it left Nintendo. . . uhhh, I meant since VII.  Did I pull a feel strings?

[Grey Ninja]

Gup, In case you hadn't figured it out, we love Final Fantasy Tactics, which was a PSX game.  I list Xenogears as being my favorite RPG.  Take your snide little comments elsewhere.  Have you ever thought that people might just not like the newer Final Fantasies because they suck?

[Gup]

Is that why they're the best selling RPGs in America and Europe(#2 in Japan)?

[Uglydot]

Gup, I bought them all, and frankly, only finished 7.  No matter how well it sold, I hate 8 and 9 was pretty generic to me.  10 just annoyed me.  Who cares how well they sell, still don't like them past 7.  I doubt I am the only one to buy them and still hate them.

[Grey Ninja]

I bought 7 and 8 as well.  That doesn't make me like 8 any.  Gup, face facts.

[aoi tsuki]

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believe that would be Blake Stone.

Actually Blake Stone came out some time after Doom if i remember correctly, but it was indeed Apogee. The game i was thinking of was Catacombs of the Abyss. Thanks for playing!

[Gup]

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Gup, I bought them all, and frankly, only finished 7.  No matter how well it sold, I hate 8 and 9 was pretty generic to me.  10 just annoyed me.  Who cares how well they sell, still don't like them past 7.  I doubt I am the only one to buy them and still hate them.

That's great.  You continually buy each Final Fantasy that's released even though you dislike previous installments.  So, will you buy FFX-2?  

My opinion:
VIII - very flawed all-round, but enjoyable.  Still better than a lot of RPGs out there.
IX - solid title, worthy of the FF name.  
X - best FF since VII with the best soundtrack in an RPG.

I, personally, like a lot of other RPGs more, but I don't like it when people just say, "I hate it, I bought it, but I still hate it."  If you could name me some other RPGs that you bought, liked, and finished, then we'll talk. I'll fight for Final Fantasy until someone can prove what's wrong with it because I sure don't see it.  

[Ms.Pikmin]

Gup, this thread was created just to let people say what games they didn't like.  It was specifically requested that everyone relax and not start getting mad when games they like are listed.  Don't take it so personally.  I'm sure many people are seeing their favorite games listed, but if we all get mad then this thread will quickly turn into a mess of anger, defensiveness and flaming.  

[Grey Ninja]

Gup, Ms. Pikmin is right.  People here have listed several games which I like very much, but I have never even challenged anyone for not liking the games that I like.  You will find that most hardcore gamers who have been playing games since the NES era will hate the newer Final Fantasies.  If you can't tolerate that opinion, then you should really learn to relax.  I objected to your arguments because your logic said that because we don't like newer Final Fantasies, then we must be blind, biased fanboys.  

To answer your question though, I just find newer Final Fantasies to be very uninspired and mediocre.  That's why I don't like them.  I consider IX to be one of the worst RPGs I have ever played.  You named Parasite Eve as one of your most hated games, and I listed it as one of the best.  I did not flip out at you when you said that you hated it.

Now can we please drop the argument?

[Uglydot]

Hmm...

Skies of Arcadia
Grandia 2
Wild arms
Thousand arms
Earthbound
Chrono Trigger
Chrono Cross(eh)
7th saga
Star Ocean:second Story
LoD
FF3

There's more but I don't feel like it...


Bought the PSX FFs for around 20 each, was worth it to see if 8 or 9 were any good.  I did enjoy 9 for a time, but just found it somewhat generic.  X I actually played on a friend's system for a while, but I did buy all of the PSX FFs.  Enjoy arguing your oppinion, hope you have a lot of breath.

[Hostile Creation]

Well, I completely disagree with thecubedcanuck, as usual

I didn't mention it before, but Donkey Kong 64 is what made me hate Rare.  I liked absolutely nothing about that game.  Except that the multiplayer was entertaining for about five minutes.  Wait, no, three minutes.  Maybe less.

Halo's a lot of fun, but there have been better.  Heck, I prefer messing around in Unreal Tournament (GOTY edition; also prefer UT to Unreal Championship, though I haven't played too much of UC).  RPGs are okay, but I don't play them.  GTA was fun for about an hour, and then I realized, hey, this got boring.  Still fun to play on occassion, though.

Another thing is that I hate mission based games.  Halo is all right, since it doesn't really focus too much on the missions, but Timesplitters, any military games, and stuff like that are just plain annoying.  I like doing my own thing and figuring out what should be done by myself, like in Zelda or Metroid Prime.  Missions are annoying.

[The Omen]

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Is that why they're the best selling RPGs in America and Europe(#2 in Japan)?

Garth Brooks sells the most records, is he great?  How about Linkin Park or Limp Biscuit?  Sales.....well, anyway, on with the topic.

I hate a lot of older games that have left me nightmares for years, a lot on the NES.

1.  Athena---go find it and buy it.  Try beating this friggin game.  It was such a dreadful game, but i bought it, and back in those days there were no gamestops to trade them in , so play it until you beat it, no matter how hideous it is.  (NES)

2.  Deadly  towers--same as 1 (NES)

3.  Donkey Kong 64--for obvious reasons(64)

4.  Ikari Warriors 2---How dare SNK change my beloved shoot fest into ....ummmm...a shootfest that sucked.  A,B,B,A!!(NES...OR SNES)

5.  Crazy Taxi---fun for 1 hour.  (any system in existence)

6.  Bad Dudes--yes, this was the name of a game.  Again , i beg everyone to at least play these games, to see how far games have come.  (NES)

7.  Keith Courage--Hate it (tg-16)

8.  Jaws--  Why, oh why did i even play this game on my NES? (NES)

9.  Agent Under Fire--why even make this game? (GC)

10. Baldurs Gate--not the game really, but the port was so crappy, i wondered why i waited 6 months for it.  (GC)

[rpglover]

"Bad Dudes"- the president has been kidnapped by ninjas. are you a bad enough dude to save the president?
i think that is word for word the story line in bad dudes- i own that game just to see the intro now and again for a laugh

and Gup:  i dont care that square went to playstation- as grey already said we love final fantasy tactics- in fact it is my favorite strategy rpg of all time- and i do think that the final fantasy games on the ps were just generic ones- ff7 was probably the best out of all the new ones (at least to me) and that game still doesnt play as good as ff6 (in my opinion) personally i like the enix games on the ps more- i love tri-ace and as such i played the hell out of valkyrie profile (one of my favorites ever) and star ocean 2- both are great games- and square did great, just not with their big names (final fantasy, chrono series)- i think parasite eve was a brilliant game, and i enjoyed parasite eve 2 as well-(but it was not as good as 1) and i loved xenogears- by far one of squares best rpgs ever- great story, characters, and of course- great gameplay- even though the game is very long and some cut scenes take a long time- i love it- i dont bash square for leaving nintendo since they made some great games on the playstation- just their big names were not as good as they should have been  

[aoi tsuki]

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"Bad Dudes"- the president has been kidnapped by ninjas. are you a bad enough dude to save the president?
i think that is word for word the story line in bad dudes- i own that game just to see the intro now and again for a laugh

Gotta love the Duke Nukem-lookalike who spouts such classic lines.

"I'M BAD!!"

[Marcus Arillius]

Hrm...
Wind Waker is one of my hated ones.

I hate it because no one else wants to admit that they didn't like the design.  Everyone is all like...."miyamoto/shiggy is a genius, he'd never put out a bad game... he knows what we want... i like being told to like things....if it came from miyamoto/shiggy it must be great " like your all afraid that nintendo is going to come to your house in the middle of the night and kill you for not liking something. Well, my opinion is that miyamoto and shiggy crap and pee just like the rest of us...and i know that stuff isn't good, even though it comes from them.   If you have to be told to like something, or if you have to "warm up to it" then you don't like it. You're kidding yourself. But it wasn't only the design for me, I didn't like the gameplay.  I didn't like that there were only 3 main temples...lame.  You could beat the game after only playing those three temples and almost everything else was optional.  Wind Waker didn't have that epic feel, like you were embarking on something great.  Ocarina of Time was wonderful. A lot of the sub-quests were necessary to complete the game.  And it was easy to get from place to place.  You didn't have to stop the game and play a song to be able to go a different direction.  Wind Waker felt like a chore....and no I still have finished that chore.  It became so boring that I've stopped at the temple of the gods, and i don't have any intention on finishing either.

[PIAC]

well i personally love wind waker, but that is a very good point marcus, and doesn't just apply to Wind Waker, alot of people own  games purely because they are popular, even if they don't personally like them, its quite stupid really.

also miyamoto and shiggy are one and the same, i hope you know that

[Infernal Monkey]

Sonic Adventure 2: Battle

It's Sonic. I bought it. I cringed. I really don't know what the hell Sonic Team were thinking when they assumed people would love to play stupid treasure hunting levels. And why was Tails in a robot? WHY DOES TAILS NEED A ROBOT? Not to mention the port itself was rather shoddy. Blurry DC graphics, crap camera... Bleh.

Final Fantasy X

Oh hell, Square. What the hell was that? The environments were WAY too restricted, the storyline was BORING, and geez, the voice acting reminded me of Mega CD games. Let us laugh, "AH HA HA HA!"

Dead or Alive: X-Treme Beach Volleyball

Tecmo? Hello? If you're going to make a volleyball game, you need gameplay. If you're going to make a pervert game, you need more interaction that that, I'm afraid. Never try to mash them together in a half-arsed attempt. Go back to developing more awesome Fatal Frame (Project Zero) games, thanks. What really pisses me off is that this sold really well. Better than Beach Spikers and Summer Beach Volleyball (PS2) combined. Go Xbox'ers.

Counter-Strike

"TEAM FALL BACK. COVER ME. OMG LOOOOLZ I SHOT YOU! OMG U R TEH SUCK"
That's all I have to say.

[rpglover]

"It became so boring that I've stopped at the temple of the gods, and i don't have any intention on finishing either."

you still have half the game left there- and personally i thought the game got better as you went further into it- the story line opens up more and the later temples are very fun to play through- i liked the graphics in the game personally- they are a real treat to me- the attention to detale in the world itself is amazing and the gameplay is wonderful as well- i like wind waker a whole lot, not because i love nintendo and miyamoto- but because it is a great game in itself- worthy of the legend of zelda title

[Gup]

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Originally posted by: Grey Ninja
To answer your question though, I just find newer Final Fantasies to be very uninspired and mediocre.  That's why I don't like them.  I consider IX to be one of the worst RPGs I have ever played.  You named Parasite Eve as one of your most hated games, and I listed it as one of the best.

Now can we please drop the argument?

Seeing as how you think Final Fantasy is unspired and mediocre(no proof still, just plain words like "I don't like it"), but you believe Parasite Eve is one of the greatest. . . I got nothing to say.  And yes we may drop the argument.

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Originally posted by: Uglydot
Skies of Arcadia
Grandia 2
Wild arms
Thousand arms
Earthbound
Chrono Trigger
Chrono Cross(eh)
7th saga
Star Ocean:second Story
LoD
FF3

There's more but I don't feel like it...

That's a good list, but I doubt you have more to say.

Edit: P.S. GN, it's good to see you stopped disliking FF7 since everyone else likes it.

[Grey Ninja]

At what time did I ever say I didn't like FF7?  I said that it was the game at which Final Fantasy ceased to be.  I said that it didn't have the level of quality as previous Final Fantasies.  I NEVER said I didn't like it.

[Ms.Pikmin]

Animal Crossing

For me this game just got old and boring.  I'm sick of shaking trees and having non-conversations with my neighbors.  I managed to pay off Tom Nook enough so I have the biggest house possible and there is just not that much to do.  It just gets redundant.

[Uglydot]

Haha, Gup, you are just pathetic.

Back to the actual thread.

Sonic 3d blast, god I hated this game. Just...everything about it, other than the fact that it looked neat.  

Duke Nukem 3d on the genesis.  Luckily I wasn't allowed to buy this game, because I played a friends and it was terrible, words just can't describe it.

Edit:  Ms. Pikmin, While I loved AC for a while, I am seeing what you say, just gets old.  I would never put it in this post with these two gems, but I'd have to agree with you after putting many many hours in.

[nitsu niflheim]

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Final Fantasy X

Oh hell, Square. What the hell was that? The environments were WAY too restricted, the storyline was BORING, and geez, the voice acting reminded me of Mega CD games. Let us laugh, "AH HA HA HA!"

I have those same qualms with FFX.  I mean, I would like to go back and revist an area before the end of the game.  The forced laughing was just too humilating.  I cringed when I played through again, and pounding the buttons to skip the cut scenes.

My games?  Chrono Cross  

Poor excuse for a sequel, had non of the charm of Chrono Trigger and the story was confusing and things happened for convience and not for good plotting.

Legend of Mana

yeah, we get this POS.  Must have taken a whole 30 seconds to think up the plot and story and another week to put it together.  Square Soft, I want my money back.  Your game made me cry.

[Marcus Arillius]

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Originally posted by: PIAC

also miyamoto and shiggy are one and the same, i hope you know that

yeah, i know, but i had written it at like 2:30 in the morning and by the time i posted it i was like hey, they are the same person but i was too tired to go back and edit it and i figured someone would say something and i would just say something like this.

[Marcus Arillius]

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Originally posted by: rpglover
"It became so boring that I've stopped at the temple of the gods, and i don't have any intention on finishing either."

you still have half the game left there- and personally i thought the game got better as you went further into it- the story line opens up more and the later temples are very fun to play through- i liked the graphics in the game personally- they are a real treat to me- the attention to detale in the world itself is amazing and the gameplay is wonderful as well- i like wind waker a whole lot, not because i love nintendo and miyamoto- but because it is a great game in itself- worthy of the legend of zelda title

meh... i let my little brother play the game after the temple of the gods (just to clarify i did finish the temple of the gods) and there wasn't all that much left to the game cuz i watched him play through for the most part and was still not impressed. but believe me, i tried to force myself to like it and i still couldn't do it, and usually i  like everything i play, and i was shocked that i couldn't like wind waker.... i really did try.   Another thing that aggravates me is that everyone talked about how long wind waker was.....it feels like they made the game and then realized you could beat it in 8 hours without a strategy guide and were like "oh crap, we talked about how long and good it was gonna be, we better throw a whole bunch of sidequests in there" then they realized there wouldn't be any point to the sidequests so they just made  you able to get hearts or rupees, and blah blah blah.  and i thought that each tri-force piece would have a temple or something.... no, it didn't, you just had to find them.... which was lame too.  the whole game was finding things.  i didn't want a fricking scavanger hunt... i wanted a game.  i didn't even mind the cel-shading all that much after i started playing, it was the lack of things to do other than finding things that made me hate the game.  What's worse is that ninty is going to make Tetra's trackers.....what the hell?  you know thats just one big scavanger hunt too.....how many more scavanger hunts can they shove down our throats under the falsity of a LOZ title.. i feel like the legend of zelda name has been disgraced.  they are trying to turn it into a cash cow like they have with the mario franchise with the mario party, and mario golf and wario world and the list goes on.

also, i hated sonic adventure battle 2, for all the reasons listed by everyone else


i liked final fantasy x, but i hated it for the same exact reasons as infernal monkey, except i didn't think the voice acting was all that bad, just a little cheezy sometimes. but yeah, that forced laughing was a little embarrasing to watch, even for a CGI

[KDR_11k]

1. Counterstrike
Usually, if I don't like a game I just don't play it and everything is good, but with CS that changed. At any LAN party, everyone just wants to play CS. Heck, this game isn't fun, it's just stress for me! Always having to worry about finding the enemy while staying alive just to avoid being cursed at by friends sucks. It gets worse if you take the physics into account. I mean things like not being able to move while being shot at, going down in so few shots, etc. It's just so infuriating I want to throw things at people (or crash the server) just to get that anger off my chest. I'll keep Serious Sam in reach if it gets that extreme this time again.

2. Zelda:WW
Well, not really evil, but nothing I went "whoa!" about. Thinking back I can't really remember a game that made me go "whoa!" except for the Tales of Symphonia trailer, though. Nonetheless, while playing the game was that "Just one more dungeon" experience, playing it again after putting it away cost me a lot of willpower.

3. Super Mario Sunshine
The game got boring once all of the events in the main town happened. At that point it stops to be really interesting and there's not much more happening.

4. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
I'm not that sure what put me off, but I definitely didn't like it. The game was too damn short and easy.

5. The RTS/FPS flood on the PC
Okay, it wasn't that bad, it made me get that little black block that sits on the ground in front of my TV...

6. GTA Series
Well, uh... I don't like it. Sure, it's fun for 5 minutes while you do all the things that you couldn't do in real life/other games, but once you're through with that it's mostly over. Sure there are those missions, but I didn't find them interesting. The worst thing is this game really shows how much people love brainless violence. People ranting about how the GC needs more violent games, etc. I support enforced age minimums just for the sole reason to keep all those jerk-off-to-blood children away from this game (at sight distance, so they suffer from not getting it!). I also hate people who love Rap/Hip Hop for the violent or drug centered texts. I just can't help, I always think lack of education is responsible for that mentality.

Note: These are ordered like they came to mind, not by annoyingness.

[manunited4eva22]

I don't think there is anything wrong with being in a clan. I have been in a few and we all joke around and have a good time. It also helps when you want to buy a few servers to have for the games you want, you can play in that server.

[PIAC]

o_O you though Yoshi's Island (one of my all time favorite games) was too short and easy? what are you some form of super man? each to their own *hugs yoshi's island cart*

if i can speak out in CS's defence, the game is pretty fun when you play with people with a relaxed attitude, while that number is slim when it does happen its quite fun, quite comical too at some points, ive only played it at some LAN parties thrown by friends of friends etc, but ive allways had a blast playing it, i even won a round once (double head shot with shotgun, oh yeah, im good ) but yes the CS gaming comunity online is quite atrocious, which is one of my main reasons i dont want nintendo to move into the relm of online, i love playing nintendo, i dont want to have to put up with idiots if i chose to play nintendo online.

[theRPGFreak]

I am kind of 50/50 on Grey Ninja for his post. I for one,  feel that Grand Theft Auto has mindless violence and was way too popular. I think that this game has more than enough reasons to be a adults only game.

Cronno Chross was absolutly nothing like the first game. The main reason for this is because that enix had helped with the character animation before, and not everyone was involved in the second project. Hopefully now that the two companies haev merged, we will see a true sequel in the future.

I disagree with Grey Ninja on FFVlll-Xl. I think that Final Fantasy Vlll is one of the best in the series, and we haven't even played FFXl yet. I am looking forward to this game because the class system looks familiar to Final Fantasy Tatics, and playing with other people around the world will keep me playing for a long time.

One game that I felt the same about with Cronno Cross was Zelda the Wiond Waker. I felt that seeing how the animation was completly diffrent, and other things in the game that I do not want to spoil for readers, made me feel that the game was not worthly enough to be a OoT sequel (besides M.M.)

[Infernal Monkey]

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Sonic 3d blast, god I hated this game. Just...everything about it, other than the fact that it looked neat.  

Duke Nukem 3d on the genesis.  Luckily I wasn't allowed to buy this game, because I played a friends and it was terrible, words just can't describe it.

Duke Nukem 3D was on Mega Drive? Holy crap, how on Earth did they pull that off? Actually... I don't think I want to know.

Doom on SNES was bad enough, and that had the power of a Super FX chip MK. II and Mode 7 behind it!

And yeah, Sonic 3D was pretty dreadful. The Mega Drive version was quite impressive, though. It featured a stunning FMV at the start. Nothing like the Saturn's five minute movie, but it was very cool for the dying 16 Bit system at the time. And hey, it was developed by Traveller's Tales. The 'awesome' developers behind Toy Story 2 and Bug's Life on the Nintendo 64/PSone.

[Hostile Creation]

My friends and I can barely do anything without having tons of fun.  Many of the games listed here for being bad. . . my friends and I have a blast with.  My friend and I just played about two straight hours of SSBM, and we're still equally challenged.  That is a great game.  You guys must not have friends or something.

I had a lot of fun playing WW, and I still go back and play it for the great combat sometimes.  I played through it two and a half times, and I completed the Nintendo Gallery.  Possibly the best game this generation (though MP, SSBM, and SMS put up a good fight), and that's considering I've played Halo, GTA, and all the other system's "good" games.  It blows my mind to think that some of you don't like those Nintendo (not b/c they're Nintendo, but because they're good) games.  Whoa.

[theRPGFreak]

I was not suggesting that I did not like Wind Waker, I simply don't feel that the game messed way too much with  OoT's storyline and characters in ways that I did not like. I do think however, that the game should have been a sequel to Ages/Seasons.  

[rpglover]

"I simply don't feel that the game messed way too much with OoT's storyline and characters in ways that I did not like."

this is just my opinion but i felt the storyline being tied very much to OoT's storyline was the best part of the game
i thought that zelda games always had the awesome graphics and stellar gameplay, but story was not always the biggest priority- it takes a backseat in most of those games- but in wind waker- i loved the story- and i though it was a very well written one- it explained a lot and i just loved gannondorf's return- wind waker is probably one of the best games this generation and one of the best of all time in my opinion

[GoldShadow1]

Tomb Raider - I don't care what version of this game it is, I hate it.  The controls are *terrible*.   It feels like you're controlling a tank or something.  The jumping is slow and awkward, the shooting is lock-on and slow, sucking the basic, human fun of blowing things up.  Maybe the game would be good if it had Zelda-style controls.  I don't know.

Final Fantasy IX - I played FFVII, and I thought it was a pretty good game.  I never played FFVIII because of how much everyone seems to hate it for some reason.  FFIX seemed to be popular, so I gave it a try.  I hated it.  I can't stand the character designs, neither in proportions or style (Whose idea was it to give the main character a tail?), and I hated their personalities.  I didn't find a single character to be likable (except for Vivi - I think it's Vivi, anyway, the black mage - he rocks).  The random battles irritated me even more than usual.  They seemed to talk longer to load, though I'm not sure.  The fog on the overworld kept me from the nice overworld visuals from FFVII (although, I can forgive it because it's part of the storyline).  The only part of the game I enjoyed, oddly enough, was the card game.  That game was insanely addictive and fun.  Every RPG should include a TCG.

Donkey Kong 64 - I bought this game brand new, something I rarely ever do.  It's not that the game was terrible, it was decent (though boring) it's the legacy of DKC.  I *loved* the DKC games.  Awesome graphics, memorable and ambient music, amazing atmosphere, and fast-paced, varied, unique gameplay.  Especially DKC2.  DKC3 was okay but not as good as DKC2.  DK64 basically made a game out of everything I didn't like in DKC3, at least as far as the gameplay.  Characters move slow, far too many collecting quests and minigames,  a simple lack of fun.  The game was sapped of the brilliant sober atmosphere of the DKC games and was instead filled with stupid silly stuff and your basic platforming cliches.  The music was atrocious and uninteresting.  They even managed to destroy the main theme, turning from a fast-paced deep jungle beat to a depressing, slow tune.  I have no idea what was going on in Rare's meeting when somebody raised his hand and said "Hey, let's just clone Banjo, only make it worse.  It'll sell, since we're Rare and its Donkey Kong.  Plus, we'll take nine years to develop it so that anticipation will build."

[Ocarina Blue]

I personally felt WW was just too empty. I loved the dungeons, the gallery and some of the side quests, but I felt most of the side quests had just been filled up with time consuming tasks, and that was no fun. Even the gallery was boring sometime, I spent more time playing the sun's song than I did actually retrieving what I was meant to retrieve. In theory, spending 10 minutes sailing around to reveal a tiny piece of the story should be fun. You could explore that vast ocean while your doing it after all, but again I felt it was too empty, and even when I did find a platform or something, most of the time I only got a few rupees out of it. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great game, I especially like the real dungeon designs, but I felt that there wasn't enough of the actual game. It takes a lot more to design a mini-dungeon with interesting puzzles that would take the player 10 minutes to complete than it does to have the player sail from one end of the map to the other that would take an equal amount of time.  

[GoldShadow1]

Ocarina - Really? I had the opposite reaction.  I did not like the dungeon designs at all, but I loved sailing and and exploring (although I agree with you that it is too empty, though.

[Molobert]

I thought one of the best things about WW was how big the world was and how much stuff there was to do. Most of time I just messed around, doing sidequests, getting heart pieces and treasure maps, sailing, going to the Gallery, etc etc. But it was incredibly fun - and much more so after you get the evil wind god's (Cyclos I think) "power."  

[Ocarina Blue]

Well, I really liked wandering around in OoT and MM when I had finished aswell, but I just found it boring in WW. I agree that Cyclos' power helped, but I still felt like I was sailing through nothing. When you think about it, they've spread about the same amount of items, quests and collectables that OoT had into a map 49 times the size. Even if you can move faster in the boat, you had Epona in OoT, and something similar to cyclos' power again.

      Although I wasn't too big on the new character idea for the later dungeons, I did think that on the whole, they were designed much better then OoT's and MM's. I spent almost no time back tracking, and when I did, the jar thing was handy. Playing through Master Quest, I am quite suprised just how much more fluid the dungeons seem to be. There is an definate difference in the style of dungeons though, I like that about Zelda games, every single one I've played has had a different style of dungeon with the same type of puzzle.  

[PIAC]

oh, i totally forgot about that, in all my eagerness to get the bonus disc, i never thought that i wouldn't really like it, i just couldn't get into Master Quest at all, after playing and finnishing Ocarina of Time atleast 15-20 times on the n64, the controls just felt WRONG, and dont even get me started on the dungeons! regular OoT on the bonus disc is okay, but i still cant play it, it doesn't feel at home on the gamecube. it makes me wish my n64 wasn't broken , playing the ocarina on the GCN is painfull. ohwell, more incentive to get my n64 fixed

[Kentop]

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Originally posted by: Grey Ninja
#7: Counterstrike
The game that defines lame.  I can tell if someone is a Counterstrike fan simply by the way they talk.  I refused to play any online games for years after I tried this one.  The game itself is good, but the fanbase is composed of the biggest collection of idiots and lamers you have ever met.  I don't think I really need to elaborate, as I am sure you all know what I am talking about.

Exactly, and now I point you to bash...
Anyway,  I hate pretty much all realistic sports and racing games.  Tonic Trouble and South Park 64 are also pretty terrible because the control and framerate were horrid in both games, which made them almost unplayable.  

[Marcus Arillius]

Oh I almost forgot...

Any Madden nfl game.... I HATE.

What the hell, there's like 10 of them and they are all the same god damned game.
they are so much like the same game I ask one of them if they want an ice cream cone and they both say yes.

What's worse is that everyone talks about how great the newest one is and how they can't wait until it comes out..... its like, you've already bought this game.... last year.  

my friend was very excited about getting madden 2003 and i was like, "but you have Madden 2002" and he was like, "they're completely different games" so i was like "how are they different? are they're any different features?, has the gameplay been changed?are there any special new things you can do?" and he was like... "probaly not." and i said why do you want it then?" and he said "cause the players are updated." and i said "that's gay."

which makes me wonder, if the madden series can just come out with the same game over and over and over and people still buy it for reasons like enhanced graphics or updated stats, why is nintendo so worried about doing that with their own franchises like zelda or mario....if people are dumb enough to keep buying "good games" like madden over and over, then they'd sure in the hell be stupid enough to buy a great game like Mario of Zelda over and over if it only came out with a new game that had enhanced graphics or whatever.  blah

[KnowsNothing]

Marcus Arillius, I see you have watched a little Mario Twins at newgrounds?  Very good, you have good taste.

[PIAC]

they look god same like the same person, i would say to them, you want ice cream cone? both of them say yes.

[thecubedcanuck]

marcus

you have to know the game of football to understand the differances. To someone who has never played the game, or doesnt watch it, you will miss the subtle differances that really do enhance the way the game is played.
The playmaker feature of madden 2004 is a great example, the power it gives you as a QB when already standing over your centre is unbelievable.
I feel like I really am Payton Manning.

[mouse_clicker]

KnowsNothing- You should check out some more of Group X's stuff- it's hilarious.

And while you're at it, all you ska/punk fans out there need to check out some Pain! You won't be sorry!

[Hostile Creation]

I prefer real football to video game football.  It's so much. . . better in every way possible.  And here's me, who doesn't even like football.  It's fun with friends, though.

[rpglover]

i like real football too- great with friends or a school team- as hostile said
but madden is just so sweet- i dont know how ea does it every year, but they add so much and make so much fun to play- i mean owner mode is great, and the playmaker control is long overdue- and it is a stroke of genius- i guess you really have to like football as me, or thecubedcanuck, or the millions of others that buy the game