Topic: Nasa stopping space flights for 5 years?

[animecyberrat]

When the hell did this happen and what brought this on?

[stevey]

Columbia

[ShyGuy]

The Mars rovers have become sentient and are now controlling NASA.

[animecyberrat]

I remember hearing about that but didn't pay much attention. I normally do but lately, like the past couple of years I kinda just haven't really kept up like I used to.

[NWR_insanolord]

I would assume they're too afraid of sending our best and brightest young astronauts to be blown to tiny bits again and rather not lose Discovery, Atlantis, and Endeavor. They need them to put in museums, and if you count Enterprise (I'm still pissed it never got to fly in space) they can say only a 3rd of them blew up.

Also, since Challenger blew up during launch and Columbia blew up while attempting to land, NASA still hasn't lost a man in space, and they want to keep it that way. They recently installed the new solar panel on the ISS, and I guess that means they don't need the shuttle cargo bay for a while.

They can still use the Russian rockets to move people to and from the station. NASA doesn't get a great budget, so maybe now they can launch more probes and focus on the new capsules that are replacing the shuttles.

[animecyberrat]

Well I was glad their excuse wasn't the gas prices or the war at least. Too bad about the shuttles exploding, I somehow thought that happened a lot more frequently though. I just assumed it was all part of the risk. 

[NWR_insanolord]

NASA spacecraft don't run on a petroleum based fuel, oil prices have no effect. It's damned expensive to fill them up, but no more so because of oil prices. Only two shuttles have exploded, the first, Challenger, over 20 years ago and Columbia much more recently.

[animecyberrat]

That wouldn't stop someone from claiming that as an excuse now would it.

[NWR_insanolord]

They could claim it, then it could be easily proven wrong and whoever claimed it would look pretty stupid.

[animecyberrat]

Unless they were to argue that we need to spend more money on advancing alternative fuels research and therefore need to divert funds from space exploration. I just have heard these types of arguments a lot.

[NWR_insanolord]

Damn it, divert them from somewhere else, they've cut NASA's budget too much already. Unless they were going to give them more in 5 years and actually go to Mars.

[animecyberrat]

unless there is oil on mars, we have no need to go there ever.

Now let's set our sights on Saturn it's farther away but a lot prettier than mars.

[NWR_insanolord]

Oil there would prove there was life at one point. You can't land on Saturn, so unless you want to land on Titan and pull out a pair of Binoculars it won't work. Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune are all gaseus, so no landings, Mercury's way too hot, and even if you got to the surface of Venus without the corrosion killiing you you wouldn't make it out alive. Mars is the only planet that is feasible for a human landing at this point, and a moon isn't good enough.

[animecyberrat]

how would that prove anything? I thought oil came out of  the ground.

[NWR_insanolord]

Yeah, they'd have to drill for it. That's not something they'd do on the first mission, probably not until there's a permanent base there. Oh wait, you meant how would oil prove life? Oil is made up of the decayed remains of living creatures, like dinosaurs. That's why it's called a fossil fuel.

[animecyberrat]

and we proved that? I thought that was just a theory.

[RABicle]

NASA spacecraft don't run on a petroleum based fuel, oil prices have no effect. It's damned expensive to fill them up, but no more so because of oil prices. Only two shuttles have exploded, the first, Challenger, over 20 years ago and Columbia much more recently.

I think it's more. They've been using the same fuckign ship for over 20 years. 5 years later, they'll come back with something new and awesome.

Besides, bloody private companies are going into space these days. It's ridiculous.

[RABicle]

and we proved that? I thought that was just a theory.

No it's the fucking facts. Not just oil either; coal is compressed, fossilised vegetation. The earth is billions of years old.

[animecyberrat]

how do they know that though?

[RABicle]

Because they're scientists.

[animecyberrat]

I am not going to get into a debate over the "integrity" of scientists so let's say I don't care what they say nor do I believe half of the crap that spews forth from their collective mouths.

[Plugabugz]

NASA spacecraft don't run on a petroleum based fuel, oil prices have no effect. It's damned expensive to fill them up, but no more so because of oil prices. Only two shuttles have exploded, the first, Challenger, over 20 years ago and Columbia much more recently.

Isn't petroleum derived from oil anyway, so indirectly it is affected?

[RABicle]

NASA spacecraft don't run on a petroleum based fuel, oil prices have no effect. It's damned expensive to fill them up, but no more so because of oil prices. Only two shuttles have exploded, the first, Challenger, over 20 years ago and Columbia much more recently.

Isn't petroleum derived from oil anyway, so indirectly it is affected?

Try again

I am not going to get into a debate over the "integrity" of scientists so let's say I don't care what they say nor do I believe half of the crap that spews forth from their collective mouths.

Oh yes, Scientists are banded together in a massive conspiracy, pushing an agenda because they have so much to gain from research and experimentation.

[Plugabugz]

NASA spacecraft don't run on a petroleum based fuel, oil prices have no effect. It's damned expensive to fill them up, but no more so because of oil prices. Only two shuttles have exploded, the first, Challenger, over 20 years ago and Columbia much more recently.

Isn't petroleum derived from oil anyway, so indirectly it is affected?

Try again

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[animecyberrat]

I'm glad you get it Rab.

[UncleBob]

I am not going to get into a debate over the "integrity" of scientists so let's say I don't care what they say nor do I believe half of the crap that spews forth from their collective mouths.

Oh yes, Scientists are banded together in a massive conspiracy, pushing an agenda because they have so much to gain from research and experimentation.

Since this thread is already a train wreck
It is just a conspiracy by the anti-God "scientists".  The Bible doesn't tell us about dinosaurs, therefore they didn't exist, thus the idea that oil comes from them is bullocks.  Oil comes from God.

On another note, let's stop wasting taxpayer money on space "exploration" and let the private companies/individuals who want to use their money on it do so.

[NWR_insanolord]

I'd hardly call it a waste, and NASA only gets a little over half of 1% of the federal budget. I'm all for less government spending but I don't want to lose NASA.

Damn, we've got mocking religion and a political discussion here, this is way trainwrecked.

[UncleBob]

To be fair, this thread was pretty train-wrecked before I ever posted in it.

And half of 1% of the federal budget is still a *lot* of money.

[NWR_insanolord]

17.8 Billion dollars, to be exact.

[vudu]

You can buy a lot of foreign oil with 17.8 billion dollars.

[NWR_insanolord]

Oil be damned, I want to boldly go where no man has gone before.

[animecyberrat]

All I meant was how do they KNOW it comes from fossils. I wasn't making a political or religious accusation. I mean I am all for science and exploration, I just want to know where their "proof" comes from. I mean if oil is just ground up dino bones, why is it such a problem finding it? Why can't we grind up animal bones or whatever and make it ourselves? I just never heard that explanation before so I thought he was being funny.

[NWR_insanolord]

We can't make it ourselves because it takes millions of years of heat and pressure to change them into oil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum  gives an explanation of the science behind it, but it's really technical. It also presents another theory that is accepted by a lot fewer people but says that it doesn't come from dinosaurs.

[animecyberrat]

I never took a single science class after 9th grade Physical Science so I never knew that. I honestly thought it was like lava or water, it just existed.

[Ceric]

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[Ceric]

I don't really approve of the new way NASA is doing there space program.  I feel it is a true step back.  I also think Congress tied there hands with the inflatable station research, which showed promise.  Though in the end if this really does get us to Mars by 2020 I'll say its all worth it.

Read On for a funding rant...

17.8 Billion dollars, to be exact.

You know what makes me mad about that?  There is a bill right now to renew a support for a program to treat AIDs and HIV in Africa and other Third world countries. 

The cost: 50 Billion Dollars....

50 Billion and NASA only gets 17.8 Billion?  Not to mention how many Hundreds of Billion beyond the humongous operating budget goes into the Armed Service.

Things like that get me mad.  Investing in NASA is investing in well paying American Jobs.  Plus the offshoot products have done wonders for how we live.  ah...  Don't get me really started I love NASA and I hate the lack of Funding that it receives.  To tell you the truth I don't think there is a single Politician out of the House here in the US that is in touch with people and don't really live in an alternative reality.  God Bless the USM.

[GoldenPhoenix]

How about we actually finish the ocean ON OUR PLANET first before doinking around in space to look at all the pretty stars.

[Bill Aurion]

Hell, we haven't even finished exploring all the LAND...

[nickmitch]

Well, I'm pretty sure that we've already established sand monsters and fish monsters, so Earth is pretty much a beautiful crap shoot.
However, we've yet to prove Martians. Get to it, Science!

[Ceric]

How about we actually finish the ocean ON OUR PLANET first before doinking around in space to look at all the pretty stars.

Hell, we haven't even finished exploring all the LAND...

I support either one of those and NASA Helps with both.

Earth Observation
Weather Satellites

Also the second Jason is up which measures the ocean.

I just believe that the technology that comes from the space program benefits all areas of explorations.  NASA has even supported various studies of the ocean.

[animecyberrat]

Any plans that involved keeping the Hubble going? I read they were dismantling that also.

[NWR_insanolord]

They just used an entire Shuttle mission to fix the thing, I doubt they'd have done that if it were scheduled to be taken out of service.

[ThePerm]

plugabugs, petroleum is oil. Oil is the slang name for petroleum, that is to say there are many types of oils, their all flammable, and oily, but petrolium is the one that comes from the ground and is used as fuel. Petrochemicals like gasoline, diesel, and karosine are made from petroleum.

There is a valid reason to go to Mars. The Earth is reaching its limit for human population. Mars is the most habitable place, basically the new Americas. Venus is just as habitable, its just that scientists are a bunch of pussyfooting wimps who are to afraid to get dirty and conquer the planet. They'd rather do all this useless scientific research like search for life in little clumps of dirt when they ought to launch missiles onto the planet filled with algae and bacteria.

Heres how id make venus habitable. I'd launch nuclear missiles on one side of the planet where we know there are huge mountains and i'd obliterate those mountains into dust. The dust would obscure the planets atmosphere so much that within 8 months there would be a nuclear winter. 2 years later the dust would die down,  in the best climate places we could launch a tirade of missiles filled with bacteria. Within 10 years the bacteria will totally control the climate and at thta point we can send flaura and fauna there. Probably insects and plants. After i'm guessing 14 years the planet will totally be habitable by humans.

more after class!

[NWR_insanolord]

The atmosphere of Venus is already covered with thick clouds, nuclear winter wouldn't change anything, and the planet is hot as hell. Claiming 14 years as the length of time it would take to terraform Venus is insane and if you told it to a scientist he'd laugh so loud at you that you'd need earplugs to avoid permanent hearing loss.

[animecyberrat]

I'm all for colonizing Mars, but they will never get around to that. Liek PErm said they're too busy looking for life.

[NWR_insanolord]

An actual colony as opposed to a research base would most likely not be done by NASA, it would have to be privately funded. You'd need someone with many billions of dollars that would be interested in it enough to spend it on it. They'd have to build a ship that was big enough to hold enough people for it to be a functioning colony and be comfortable enough for them that they wouldn't kill each other in the months it takes to get from Earth to Mars. They would also have to get all the supplies they need there as well. It's going to be a long time before we see an extra-terrestrial colony, and the moon will almost certainly come first, but I know that Utopia Planitia will be a reality someday.

[animecyberrat]

I would love for it to come true, but I think the world will end long before we get their.

[EasyCure]

I'm all for colonizing Mars, but they will never get around to that. Liek PErm said they're too busy looking for life.

Well to be fair to NASA, they're not wasting time looking for life on Mars. There're atleast two valid reasons why they're doing this:

1. Have to make sure there's no space monsters there to eat them
2. If there are, they must bide time before we get out generic space marine's ready

[DAaaMan64]

Maybe NASA and the Administrations around it shouldn't be such huge dicks about private space exploration.

[ThePerm]

venus is covered with thick clouds of gaseous sulfuric acid, and is filled with greenhouse gasses. my nuclear detonation idea would fill the atmosphere with (solid)particulates of dirt which are largely iron and carbon these would block the absorbtion of light into the atmosphere and cause the gaseous elements to condense into liquids, and the liquid elements to condense into solids. The effect would be dramatic, th plane wouldat firt heat up as if some huge asteroid had it it. This alo causes two effects, first the particulates would cool it down. Second the the Mpemba effect would take place. That is to say that the higher energy effect of the heating would dissipate at an accelerated rate due to the tranfer of energy from higher energy elements to lower energy elements.

This would cause the planet to iniially be very hot, but cool down expoentially. The planet would then have a cooler climate. Specific bacteria could be released in certain order in order to create controlled climate change and also to convert certain harmful compounds int more organic friendly compounds through fermentation

We are experiencing a greehouse effect,  but a meteor could strike destroying most life on our planet, however this would cause a reverse in greenhouse effect thanks to the dust.

[ThePerm]

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/theultimateperm/venusconquer.jpg

see diagram

[UltimatePartyBear]

Even if you do all that (and you're seriously overestimating the explosive force of nuclear weapons), Venus is not inside our solar system's habitable zone.  It's simply too close to the sun to ever be cool enough for life as we know it.  Its extraordinarily long days don't help much, either.

[NWR_insanolord]

Venus is way more trouble than it's worth for colonization, especially given how much available space on the moon, Mars, and the various Jovian moons. Forget colonizing Venus, I want an underwater colony on Europa. Plus we need to colonize the moon so we can find the TMA, we're way behind schedule on that.

[animecyberrat]

Since when have we ever backed down from a challenge? I agree with The Perm, forget Mars let's do Venus first.

[NWR_insanolord]

How about we do it on the moon and Mars first to get the hang of things so we're not trying the hardest test in the solar system as our first colony? My Europan underwater colony would be damn hard too, but at least we can practice that in our own oceans first.

[ThePerm]

i dont see why we don't do it all at the same time and see which one gets done faster, i dont think venus is outside the habitable zone, I believe a few hundred years ago it was recorded as a blue planet, it might have even been inhabited, possibly venus had a civilization that screwed up like we are doing. Any evidence of life would be destroyed by crazy winds, radiation exposure, burning surface.

re-reading up on venus, though i came to some problems though with my plan. Miainly there is a lack of hydrogen. Which poses a problem to terraformers. ITs possible to ship hydrogen, but not feasible. I suppose the fission reaction from a nuclear blast would create hydrogen, but i couldn't tell you if it would be enough. Theres hydrogen in sulfuric acid, but again apparently the sulfuric clouds while coverin the surface are still a small part of the atmosphere

[NWR_insanolord]

This isn't a video game here, we can't just keep trying until it works, a lot of people's lives and billions of dollars are at stake, this is something we want to be careful and play it safe with.

[animecyberrat]

So why haven't we colonized the Moon yet? I would have thought that would have been doable by now.

[Caliban]

There's no petroleum on the Moon, that's why.

[NWR_insanolord]

It's probably doable, but that doesn't mean the money's there for it. Didn't Bush say we were going to put a base on the moon a couple years ago as a campaign promise or something?

[animecyberrat]

I thought he said we would start sending people back to the moon by 2020 or something like that. I don't buy that there is no money, I think it is just there is no return makes more sense. A colony on the moon would not be self sustained so it would drain our resources. But I thought they were going to build a base or something there to launch our future trips to Mars from or something like that.

[NWR_insanolord]

Launching to Mars or other places in the Solar System would make sense to be done on the moon, you'd save a ton of fuel doing it that way. One of the points of doing a colony on the moon is to see how self-sustainable we could make it, because going any farther out we would need it to be extremely self-sustainable because it takes a long time to get something from Earth to Mars.

[ThePerm]

apparently the composition of moon rock is such that all that need be done is melt any rock and at least something 20% h2o can be withdrawn. The moon is probably more habitable then mars at least initially. One of the biggest problems with launching objects into space is the amount of energy required to break earths gravity is massive. Breaking the moons gravity is not so bad. If the moon is as resource filled as recent experiements have shown then it would be a place to go before going anywhere else.

I think that for building on the moon, minimum resources could be used if the moon had tunnels dug into it and then on the ends of either side of the tunnels then structure would be put over that. Inside a type of bio habitat could be built with excesss space dedicated to plantlife so that oxygen can be collected and used for further mining.

one of the things that bothers me about trips to other planets is that the government intends to bring them back, most of the people who settled America never intended to go back to their home land. It might be better to send them there and expect them to stay there and slowly build so that others could come. If they would want to come back then they would have to slowly acquire the resources from that planet  in order to do so.

as dangerous as it sounds. Imagine if the government gave a waver to death row inmates to wave their death if they agreed to be sent to another planet. If we currently don't value their life, than why shouldn't we send them over there to help build. To some extant it sounds bad, but to another it would be an opportunity of a lifetime. It worked for Australia and the state of Georgia. Its also hypocritical that we worry about the deaths of astronauts and not the deaths of soldiers fighting in wars.

[NWR_insanolord]

as dangerous as it sounds. Imagine if the government gave a waver to death row inmates to wave their death if they agreed to be sent to another planet. If we currently don't value their life, than why shouldn't we send them over there to help build.

Isn't that basically the backstory of the Terrans in Starcraft?

[GoldenPhoenix]

Is Perm a scientist? I never realized we had scientists on the board!

[ThePerm]

no,but i took biology, chemistry and earth science. I'm an studio art major, but Iv taken a lot of interdisciplinary classes.
Everything i know i learned in class, pbs, the discovery channel and its sister stations, and the internet.


and lol insanolord, i wasn't thinking about the starcraft back-story at all, but that must have been some hidden neuron connection in the back of my mind

[Shecky]

Is Perm a scientist? I never realized we had scientists on the board!

No, but there are a few.

[Shecky]

How about we actually finish the ocean ON OUR PLANET first before doinking around in space to look at all the pretty stars.

Hell, we haven't even finished exploring all the LAND...

I support either one of those and NASA Helps with both.

Earth Observation
Weather Satellites

Also the second Jason is up which measures the ocean.

I just believe that the technology that comes from the space program benefits all areas of explorations.  NASA has even supported various studies of the ocean.

I Applaud your attempts at saving this train wreck.

[ThePerm]

what he means by 'we haven't done all our land", he means the ocean is so vast and deep, yet unexplored. Humans have only covered something  like 13% of the land area, we've barely put anything underwater.

[UncleBob]

Its also hypocritical that we worry about the deaths of astronauts and not the deaths of soldiers fighting in wars.

Not to de-rail this thread, but you're a damn fool if you think we don't worry about the deaths of soldiers fighting in wars.  It happens, yes, but I can assure you, we worry about every single one.

[ThePerm]

i dont mean you, I mean as a whole. Some people don't care and that throws off the whole average. For every 20 people that care theres that doesn't. Those are the douche bags. I'm trying to say that if were so morally bankrupt as to send people that we actually do care about off to die, then its not a leap to send people that we despise off to die on some Martian expedition.

[RABicle]

This would cause the planet to iniially be very hot, but cool down expoentially. The planet would then have a cooler climate. Specific bacteria could be released in certain order in order to create controlled climate change and also to convert certain harmful compounds int more organic friendly compounds through fermentation

You're suggesting something with a timescale of millions and millions of years here.

i dont see why we don't do it all at the same time and see which one gets done faster, i dont think venus is outside the habitable zone, I believe a few hundred years ago it was recorded as a blue planet, it might have even been inhabited, possibly venus had a civilization that screwed up like we are doing. Any evidence of life would be destroyed by crazy winds, radiation exposure, burning surface.

There is something crazy about this post and it has nothing to do with the wind.

So why haven't we colonized the Moon yet? I would have thought that would have been doable by now.

Why would we colonise the fucking moon? IT'S A LUMP OF ROCK IN A COLD BARREN SPACE. It has no atmosphere, no resources it would be completely unsustainable. We haven't colonized the moon for similar reason to why we haven't colonised Antartica or Midway Island.

The only possible reason we might have to colonise the moon is to launch future space missions from it, since it would take substantially less energy to raise large spacecraft off the Moon's weaker gravity. But for this to even be viable we'd have to be sourcing 95% of the materials, constructing and commissioning  the ships in space. That'd require a massive workforce who'd all need to eat, breathe, and live on the moon, a colony. Which is not a viable option for the lack of an atmosphere or food.

[ThePerm]

a massive force of robots

robot ants!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant_colony

[NWR_insanolord]

This would cause the planet to iniially be very hot, but cool down expoentially. The planet would then have a cooler climate. Specific bacteria could be released in certain order in order to create controlled climate change and also to convert certain harmful compounds int more organic friendly compounds through fermentation

You're suggesting something with a timescale of millions and millions of years here.

i dont see why we don't do it all at the same time and see which one gets done faster, i dont think venus is outside the habitable zone, I believe a few hundred years ago it was recorded as a blue planet, it might have even been inhabited, possibly venus had a civilization that screwed up like we are doing. Any evidence of life would be destroyed by crazy winds, radiation exposure, burning surface.

There is something crazy about this post and it has nothing to do with the wind.

So why haven't we colonized the Moon yet? I would have thought that would have been doable by now.

Why would we colonise the fucking moon? IT'S A LUMP OF ROCK IN A COLD BARREN SPACE. It has no atmosphere, no resources it would be completely unsustainable. We haven't colonized the moon for similar reason to why we haven't colonised Antartica or Midway Island.

The only possible reason we might have to colonise the moon is to launch future space missions from it, since it would take substantially less energy to raise large spacecraft off the Moon's weaker gravity. But for this to even be viable we'd have to be sourcing 95% of the materials, constructing and commissioning  the ships in space. That'd require a massive workforce who'd all need to eat, breathe, and live on the moon, a colony. Which is not a viable option for the lack of an atmosphere or food.

Yeah, the moon has no resources, unless you count a rather large chunk of ice (the equivalent of a lake 6 miles by 6 miles by 60 feet) and large deposits of titanium. Food is easy, hydroponic farms. In addition to being a great place to launch ships from because of the low gravity and no atmospheric pressure, not to mention the water that can be used as fuel, it would be great for astronomy because there's no atmosphere to lessen the effectiveness of telescopes. It wouldn't be totally self sustaining, but it would be close enough for it to be viable.

[Bill Aurion]

I have no idea if this was mentioned or not, but there was a really good program on the Discovery Channel on Sunday about NASA's plans and ideas for colonizing the moon (starting with a satellite probe that will launch later this year in order to scan the best locations for a potential base) and what they plan to do about water, food, etc...It all sounded fairly practical, so moon colonization isn't entirely out of mankind's reach...

[Ceric]

I have no idea if this was mentioned or not, but there was a really good program on the Discovery Channel on Sunday about NASA's plans and ideas for colonizing the moon (starting with a satellite probe that will launch later this year in order to scan the best locations for a potential base) and what they plan to do about water, food, etc...It all sounded fairly practical, so moon colonization isn't entirely out of mankind's reach...

You wouldn't happen to remember the name of the program would ya?

[ThePerm]

Honda needs to get in the space business, and put Asimo on the moon

[ThePerm]

if only it was possible to farm comets, collect them and redirect them to other planets

[redgiemental]

Somewhere between animecyberrat's complete mistrust for science and Theperm's wish to live inside a badly thought-out direct to DVD Sci Fi movie I feel like things have just gone a little insane.

[ThePerm]

Somewhere between animecyberrat's complete mistrust for science and Theperm's wish to live inside a badly thought-out direct to DVD Sci Fi movie I feel like things have always in these forums been insane.

fixed

[BranDonk Kong]

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[Caliban]

Did you accidentally post in the wrong thread?

[BranDonk Kong]

Yeah, I'm a douche.

[animecyberrat]

I don't have a complete mistrust in science, I wanted to be a scientist when I was a kid, it's just over the years as I grew in my faith I started seeing things that they said that I found out to be lies. Then I discovered that both sides were telling lies and now I am somewhere in the middle.

[King of Twitch]

if only it was possible to farm comets, collect them and redirect them to other planets

If I had any say they would all be dropped on LA and end E3 once and for all. Also it would cut down on a lot of crime.

[animecyberrat]

With the way things are in the economy now I wouldn't mind Nasa just closing up shop for a bit anymore.

[RABicle]

Could you list these lies please?

Also **** yeah. Bring on the depression.

[animecyberrat]

I'd rather not, like I said I discovered lies on both sides, so I am now rethinking everything I thought I knew.

[DAaaMan64]

Could you list these lies please?

Also **** yeah. Bring on the depression.

Man, if you think the incoming depression is solely just one parties' fault, you're wrong. This is the fault of congress and most every administration since 1913.  1913 is about to become the worst year in US history. Just saying.  But ya I'm pretty apathetic about this, I'm gonna sit back and watch the show.

[animecyberrat]

I wasn't meaning the parties, I am a Republican all the way, I meant between the churches and the scientists.

[DAaaMan64]

Oh I was talking to RAB

[animecyberrat]

you quoted his reply to my post so I got confused I guess.

[Mario]

I propose building our own planet from scratch.

[animecyberrat]

isn't that what they are doing with their big particle thingy? create their own "big Bang"?

[RABicle]

No that's not what they're doing. They're doing an experiment.

Could you list these lies please?

Also **** yeah. Bring on the depression.

Man, if you think the incoming depression is solely just one parties' fault, you're wrong. This is the fault of congress and most every administration since 1913.  1913 is about to become the worst year in US history. Just saying.  But ya I'm pretty apathetic about this, I'm gonna sit back and watch the show.

LOL
1. I never said I blame any one party.
2. I had to look up what actually happend in 1913. I'm going to assume you are referring to the 16th amendment? (And not the 17th amendment)
3. I'm pretty sure we've had a few recessions since then, including one rather large one

Finally we'll never see a repeat of Black Tuesday just because there is too much superannuation keeping our stock markets afloat. But we can hope that it'll be just as bad.

[DAaaMan64]

No that's not what they're doing. They're doing an experiment.

Could you list these lies please?

Also **** yeah. Bring on the depression.

Man, if you think the incoming depression is solely just one parties' fault, you're wrong. This is the fault of congress and most every administration since 1913.  1913 is about to become the worst year in US history. Just saying.  But ya I'm pretty apathetic about this, I'm gonna sit back and watch the show.

LOL
1. I never said I blame any one party.
2. I had to look up what actually happend in 1913. I'm going to assume you are referring to the 16th amendment? (And not the 17th amendment)
3. I'm pretty sure we've had a few recessions since then, including one rather large one

Finally we'll never see a repeat of Black Tuesday just because there is too much superannuation keeping our stock markets afloat. But we can hope that it'll be just as bad.

Since I've seen a youtube video of yours I'm pretty sure I know what party you stand with.  Secondly, you never said you blamed one party, I'm just making sure your clear on that. Third, your still haven't found what I'm talking about, however the 16th amendment does suck nuts.  Lastly, I know we've had a few recessions since then, but this up and coming one is directly related to the slow decline of the dollar since 1913. Hey you probably guessed what I'm talking about by now!

[RABicle]

Roland Garros crossing the Mediterranean?

[animecyberrat]

If you mean the Income Tax, no **** that doesn't work. I am not sure which amendment that is but I know it was back in that era. If it has to do with Womens right to vote... I'm leaving that one alone.

If the federal reserve keeps stepping in and bailing wall street out like they have been, then state of our economy won't mean **** anyways.

[DAaaMan64]

Roland Garros crossing the Mediterranean?

It's cool. I'll just tell ya.  Just this little one.

[animecyberrat]

Oh that. Yeah I never fully understood the significance of that system until recently.

[DAaaMan64]

You and everyone else. It's so ridiculously important, yet people don't know. I don't blame 'em though. Not a fun subject.

[animecyberrat]

well my brother in law was telling me about how that is what is corrupting our society and ruining our money and etc, but he is one of those major conspiracy theory freaks so I don't take everything he says seriously.

[Shecky]

Someone lock this thread already....

[redgiemental]

People should listen to Ron Paul damn it!

[Pale]

Uhmm I can't tell if Redgiemental is kidding or not, but either way, this thread can get locked as Shecky said.