Topic: Heroes Season 3

[Khushrenada]

So, does anyone on these boards still watch Heroes? I know it has gone through a dumb patch in Vol 3 but Vol 4 is starting up really well at the moment.

[Pale]

I'm pretty frustrated by the general lack of events per episode so far.  I still feel like I'm watching trailers for the season and not actual episodes.

I'm also pissed that Sylar is being so evil again.  He was much better when he was having his identity struggle.

I'm also pissed about how the latest episode ended.  There's no way a bullet should be able to hit someone that fast.  She'd be able to react to the gun shot noise and be out of there before the bullet even hit her.

[Spak-Spang]

I am pissed that Sylar is still alive. 

If you have an interesting villain you don't have to keep them alive forever tell their story and let them be.
This episode felt completely like a second part of the first episode of volume 1.  And, that is too bad those 2 episodes should have been aired together. 

[Nintendawg]

I missed the premier episode. Could someone correct me if I'm wrong?

Basically, Nathan is carrying out his plan with the U.S. President to round up those with abilities right? Why is Noah Bennet working with Nathan? And why is Mohinder, Matt Parkman, Hiro and Ando together? And what is Peter up to these days?

[Khushrenada]

That's one thing I'm not sure. They haven't explained yet why Noah is with them. It was the one thing that bugged me last episode. That and Parkman being able to draw the future. Noah has stopped working with companies like this. Especially one that represents such a threat to his daughter.

Frankly, from what I gather in the last episode, Nathan is basically copying the company, Primatech, and rounding up people with abilities. But he's doing it his way and that's why he refused Angela's help. What this means I'm not sure. Either he wants to take the abilities away or he may want to control them and use these as an army like he was going to do at the end of volume three.

As for Noah, like I said, his part in this just feels wrong even if he thinks its to help his daughter. He's worked with these heroes before and knows that while some are a threat, most have been instrumental in stopping big disasters. He wouldn't hurt Peter despite the two chances he had. Heck, he tried to bring down the company. I figured seeing Claire on the plane would have caused him to turn on this operation but he hasn't yet. I still think he's going to try to bring it down. He seems to know that it could be dangerous and doesn't trust the hunter.

Getting back to Parkman, this is the biggest thing that bugs me. Parkman already has some awesome abilities but now they've had to add prognostication as well? That seems to be the issue with the show. They want to show what the threat is and they do that by showing future events that have to be stopped. But then, they kill off the person who sees them. In the case of Peter and Hiro travelling through time, they've now removed the time traveling ability. Jusy keep the prognosticator alive. Or leave it altogether.

That's the one thing that has me excited about this volume. In the other volumes, the heroes always start off on seperate paths and then begin to interconnect. In this volume, the heroes have all met up now in the second episode and formulated a plan of action. Yes, they are splitting up but they know they are all working together and the threat isn't something that requires knowledge of the future. It is now. But I guess they needed to use the pictures to seperate the characters.

It was awesome to see Matt use his power to escape a bunch of military guys firing at him. How does a guy with mind powers escape something like that? Brilliant. And contrary to what Mohinder said, I doubt Nathan would let Hiro go, powers or not. Hiro knows too much about the operation and knows his secret. Peter's escape was pretty clever too. I didn't expect him to get out of there. And now we know that the formula didn't give him his power back and everything's normal again. He can only keep a power at a time. Which is disappointing. The scene on the plane when he was touching all the other heroes seemed much neater when I thought he was gaining a ton of powers to quickly become unstoppable.

All in all, this volume is starting off good and I'm enjoying it, which it is all about. Entertainment. They were wrong about this being a fresh slate. They do reference a few things from before. Like Hire being killed by Ando. I thought that had to do with the formula in Volume 3 and nothing like what Hiro saw even came close to coming about. Is that future still a threat?

[Spak-Spang]

Noah is old Noah...they won't let that character evolve or learn moral clarity.  He is doing it all for Claire, but in reality he is just driving her away STILL.  Annoying.

Matt Parkman getting precognition is a stupid plot device.  Every season they focus on the idea of changing the future so they must show it with either precognition or time travel...so hence someone needs a new ability...whey not Matt Parkman.  What is annoying is Parkman has one of the most powerful abilities if they just let him cut loose. 

I like that Peter doesn't have his full abilities, but now that just means Sylar is literally unbeatable as a villain.  Seriously the only 2 people that could defeat him were Peter and Hiro and both of them have lost their powers.  Yes, they proved Sylar can be defeated with a shot in the back of the head, but really...that won't happen too easily.  AND WHY IS HE ALIVE!!!! 

Nathan seems to be acting strange for his motivation.  Last Volume he wanted to make an army of "powered" individuals, but now since that possibility is gone he wants to round them up?  Why?  It is like there is no reason for that except for him being a spoiled brat...well if I can't have my super army I will just round them up for their own good.

As for the future stuff, this is what I have come to understand about Time travel and Precognition on the show.  Time Travel will take you into the actual past, but will only take you into the most probable future, but not necessarily the actual future.  This is why they can go back in time and change the events leading to that future it is not definite.  However, Precognition shows what WILL happen period.  You are not moving into a definitive time, but seeing what events will happen no matter what course of action you take.  None of the precognitions in the show have been stopped.  Even the courses of actions you want to take to stop the event will lead to it.

So when Hiro went into the future Ando killed Hiro and that was one future and it was prevented.  But the people that went into the future does not know that future will not come true, so they can reference it and even believe it WILL come true, but still won't.

I really hate that they took Hiro's ability from him, because it was done totally because the writers couldn't tell good stories with it...what was annoying was with Daphne around they were already hinting that Hiro's power was limited:  "If you could stop time we would not be having this conversation."  There was a limit to Hiro's ability lets explore that instead of taking the power away.  I hate that he has NOTHING.  He should either have teleportation (boring power get rid of it) or limited time manipulation (awesome power) but not both.

I am actually ok with the revisioning of Peter's power, it doesn't make him overpowered and makes him more interesting...but his reset just makes it more frustrating that Sylar is still alive, because we will never get a true all out throw down between Sylar and Peter again.  Not one in the same way we would hope. 

[Khushrenada]

Prognostication isn't definitive. If it was, New York would have blown up like the painting on the floor has always shown. That's another that will bug. We can see people go to the future and change it and we saw them prevent New York blowing up like the painting shows so why can't they prevent other paintings.

I also hope they didn't actually take Hiro's ability away because the writers found that they were so bad at using him they kept tripping over how it should work and created their own plotholes and so to prevent more mistakes, they just removed it. I disagree that teleportation is a boring power.

Speaking of Sylar, the power to know when someone is lying may be one of the best powers ever. Especially when added to his already formable arsenal. I'd like to see that power spread around. While I agree he should be dead, let's face it, he's the reason to watch the show. He's one of the best villains that has been created in a long time and he brings the most tension and suspense to the show.

Here's a question. The Haitian seems to have the ability to nullify other people's powers as well as remove memories. Does this mean the Haitian could block all of Sylar's abilities if he's standing next to him? That's the one thing I've never got. With all the times people have tried to kill Sylar, that is the first person I would think of bringing with me.

As for Nathan, like I said, I think we'll learn more yet of what his plan is all about. If it is just because he's upset with his plans getting spoiled by the end of the Vol. 3 and so wants these people rounded up, that would be kind if sad.

[Spak-Spang]

1)  No the Precognition of New York was accurate.  A nuclear blast did occur in New York.  It was just over the city instead of on the Street Level.  They could not stop the blast.  Nathan just took Peter up to save lives.  Precog still definitive.

2)Teleportation isn't boring, but compared to Time Manipulation it is.  I think it is the combining of the powers that made Hiro too powerful and that is why I wish he had one or the other, and if I had to choose I would rather him have time manipulation.  I understand the whole combining the theory of Time and Space into a power but that should not work as teleportation and Time Manipulation.

3)Sylar is an ok villain, but he is becoming stale.  Ben from LOST is easily the most interesting villain on television right now.  Sylar is too wishy washy. 

4)yes, the Haitian could block all of Sylar's ability, he did it with Aurthor Petrelli's ability...which is basically the same as Sylar's but different.  Also, I hated how they dropped the plot line that Sylar and Peter's powers may be more similar than they appear. 

[Khushrenada]

Ho ho, great stuff. I wonder who this rebel is. I know in Season 1 they briefly showed someone called the Wi-Fi Woman or something like that. I wonder if they are bringing her back. She seems to have the capability to be able to send out messages like that. At the same time, you'd think it was someone close to the Nathan's organization to know who is being hunted.

The Hunter is slowly becoming a very ruthless villian. That's good. The show needs more villians instead of just Sylar. It's going to be interesting to see what Sylar does now that he is on to Nathan's plan. I have a feeling that Sylar isn't going to kill the kid he's with. The Hunter may do that with Sylar killing the Hunter in revenge.

Looking forward to next episode. Noah is still the man for me. He's like the Batman of the show. He's got no powers but he's smart like Batman and can go toe-to-toe with any of these people with powers. Last time he was interrogated, we got "Company Man", best episode of Season 1. It would be great if we could see another episode like that. The series needs it. It should be good regardless.

Not much else to say about this episode. Knew Nathan would get the funding, more mystery on Sylar's dad, Claire speaking through clenched teeth a lot. Claire is going to go down pretty soon. Way to reckless.

[Spak-Spang]

So far Volume 4 has not been disappointing.  This is the best volume of the show so far, and feels much closer to the first season of Heroes than the others.

Noah is very much a Batman character, flawed and damaged, but still highly capable.

The Rebel is interesting, I like the character, but who can it be?  Personally, I hope it is Micah, because I feel they have not finished that storyline, and he could easily be caught and yet still gather Intel.  But reality is they will not be going that direction, instead I would put money on the Angela Petrelli being the rebel.  She is playing Nathan, and she would have the resources to be the Rebel. 

I can't decide if I like the direction they are taking Sylar, the more they humanize him the less interesting he gets.  He isn't a villain anymore, at least not in the I am truly evil since.  I find myself rooting for him to succeed more than scared of what it means if he does succeed...and this doesn't make a good villain. 

The best new character is the Bounty Hunter, which is going to turn on Nathan very quickly, once he realizes Nathan has powers.  I am waiting for that twist where Nathan's great planning will be his undoing.  It is only a matter of time. 

[BlackNMild2k1]

I think the hunter is going to figure out that Senator Nathan has powers just as soon as he figures out what Peter Petreli's power is.
I'm not sure why Jessica (or whatever her name is) doesn't just come out and say that Nathan can fly. She has to know that she is screwed and he betrayed her, why not return the favor?

[Spak-Spang]

She has in a video that leaked when she was being brought in.

They probably don't believe her or Nathan has stated he is delusional.  The Hunter definitely is suspicious of Nathan and he has his own reasons he is doing this stuff.  I am sure that the Hunter already knows Peter's ability...but they just don't know he is limited to one power at a time, which is pretty dumb.  I hoping that either Peter Absorbs Sylar's power giving him all of Sylar's abilities, and jumping his metabolism into handling more powers again. or Ando's ability is used on Peter allowing his body to remember how to absorb more than one.

[Khushrenada]

Interesting ideas. The Micah Saunders idea could work depending on how much his ability has grown. Maybe he can now see the images from video cameras and can track things just like the government. Thus, he knows what is going on and can cordinate things. Plus, after all the time the show spent on him, it would be nice to get something big out of his story. However, I just don't see him organizing such an effort for his age. It's possible he may have help. But the Micah idea could work if done right. He always had a neat ability it was just underutilized a lot.

As for Sylar, a thought occured to me. What if by helping this boy, he starts joining forces with other villianous people and starts how own Injustice League to rise up against Nathan and the hunters? Alright, that's a little stupid but that is one thing that disappointed me about the last volume. It was called Villians with a whole bunch of evil people escaping and you'd think we'd have seen a team-up of a bunch of villains together wreaking havoc across the land. The closest they got was the bank robbery with 4 guys and even then, it hardly lasted and the group lost half its members. Sure, you could point towards Pinehearst as being such a teamup but it was more a rival company than a truly dangerous supergroup of villians.

[Spak-Spang]

Micah has always been portrayed as being more mature than his age indicates.  He has experienced a lot in his life.

But I agree, he is young and needs help.  Perhaps whomever the Rebel is using/being helped by Micah.  I agree too much time was used on this character for him to be just dropped and ignoring that he ever existed.  He isn't dead, and his power is too dangerous for the government to ignore, actually any government would want to use his abilities for sabotage.  I would have rather him be killed by Sylar than ignored because people didn't enjoy his part of the over all story.

As for the Sylar Injustice League, I like that idea.  They hinted at that idea in Volume 3, but it didn't manifest itself well.  A good government vs. people with abilities is going on...and I predict Sylar and other villains will be partnering with Heroes over this battle.  I believe it can lead to a great volume 5, where they stop the government but then the villains back stab the heroes and begin forcing their will on the nation.

Interesting no? 

[Spak-Spang]

Another great episode. 

It is nice to see Noah Bennett as his morally gray self again.  His duality is the most interesting part of the show.  It was also nice to get an episode with zero Sylar in it, as I believe he is not as the heart of the show. 

I knew this episode was coming, a flash back to sort out and explain who many of the characters are, and how they got interconnected into this mess, and I was surprised to see that it was well written and fun.

The hunter was cliched about wanting to die for the cause of proving abilities are evil.  They needed to be exposed more for that to happen.  If the Hunter was killed people with abilities are still relatively unknown even in the government.  It could have easily been covered up. 

However, I like the idea of the hunter going rogue and out to kill.  And it seems like we can be seeing a main character death as a possibility this volume.  If I had my money I would bet Sylar would die again just to be brought back to life...but that is only because I am jaded.

[Khushrenada]

Yeah, this was a good episode. I loved it. I think what made the episode so good was that they got the characters right. Noah having nothing else in his life but the company made perfect sense as to why he would still be doing this work. Nathan's motivations behind this whole project make sense as well. This is what I was hoping for. I said earlier that some of the characters didn't seem to be on the right side but this episode explained their motivations well, they made sense and they stayed true to the characters. Something that seemed impossible after the last volume.

In fact, this volume is actually helping make the events in Volume 3 a bit better and giving them some meaning.

I kept expecting Hiro and Ando to show up at the end to save Matt and the rest but it didn't happen. I'm not sure about the ending. Season 1 redux. Only this time, the bomb is in Washington. As for the Hunter trying to get Peter to kill him, was it neccessary? We just saw Tracy kill someone and get the operation all the funding it needs. Does he really need to die also to convince more hardliners of the dangers?

I'm sure the Hunter suffered some big loss at the hands of a person with powers. Or, he is Sylar's father and his experience with Sylar led him to believe all people with powers are monsters.

All in all good stuff and I was amazed they only stuck with one storyline this time around. Peter, Matt and Mohinder vs Noah, Nathan and Hunter. Now I can watch as Noah starts working towards his goal of bringing this organization down.

[Plugabugz]

I'm still disappointed.... the same things back in season 1 are happening again 2 years later. Peter: just shoot him.

[Khushrenada]

I'm still disappointed.... the same things back in season 1 are happening again 2 years later. Peter: just shoot him.

A hero doesn't kill.

[Spak-Spang]

Crossing the line of actually taking a life is pretty big.  Most people think that if they were pushed into a situation that it was do or die they could...but most people still freeze up in those situations, because killing is not something the soul takes lightly.

But it is pretty dumb when Peter can't/won't kill, but then goes to the guys house.  He should of shot him in the arm and leg crippling him.  Oh well, personally I would have destroyed the house and computers, or at least bugged them so he could track them...Peter needs to be more forward thinking.

[Snipper64]

Hmm.... to bad the top five stroungest heros were killed or weakened...

1. Syler is weakend, needs to restart his powers.

2. Hero lost his abilities,

3. Nukerler man is dead

4. Black hole guy is dead

5. Peter can only do one ability at a time

I still like heros, but it is sad they are weakening their forces so bad. Makes sence so there isn't no "overkill" when fighting people, but I still miss there powers

[Plugabugz]

I'm still disappointed.... the same things back in season 1 are happening again 2 years later. Peter: just shoot him.

A hero doesn't kill.

True, but there needs to be some sort of character or writing development over time, but not in the sense that Nathan is just recast into being the primary antagonist. It's like the mistakes of the past aren't really sticking and driving things forward.

[Khushrenada]

Actually, now that I think about it, Peter did kill his father. Sure, Sylar stopped the bullet to question Arthur and then sent it on its merry way but the fact remains, the bullet that killed him came from Peter's gun. And that was his father. Oh well.

[Spak-Spang]

True Peter fired with the intent of killing him. 

I am upset on some of the powers being taken away, but only because it didn't make sense to do.

If they had killed Sylar then Peter's reset would have been understood because he would never have a threat like him again.

Hiro's power reset is depressing because he had two fun powers that just shouldn't have been combined together because they are too powerful together...but he needs to get time manipulation back, just he doesn't need teleportation.  But it will probably be flipped. 

If at the end of this season Hiro still doesn't have a power of some sort I will be upset, and Ando's power sucks right now, because he isn't partnered with another hero.

And I am ok with Heros killing when it is the last resort.  Killing is not evil if it is for a justice...the problem is Man is a horrible judge of justice.  Nathan in this season is a perfect example.  Nathan is not evil...he doesn't want to kill people or imprison them forever, he just wants to take powers away to make them safe...which is ironically the flip plan from volume 3...once the formula was lost Nathan decided it was safer to rid abilities from people instead of giving them to everyone.

[Snipper64]

Heros and lost are made by the same people also. My friend hates lost, and hate heros, because he says "heros is like lost, alot of *stuff* happens, but the plot never advances"

I disagree mostaly, lost is frankly repitive, and NEVER anserews any of the secrets, like WTF is a polor bear on a island?! and ect. Heros does advance plot, kill off bad guys (even though there are always more baddies to come ) and the story is mostaly resolve at the end of each season, do you agree with me?

Also, Syler rocks 

[Spak-Spang]

---Edited for Khush

 

[Snipper64]

I lasted 3 seasons of lost, and I like the charectors, but I am still mad it cooks up a punch of shi... err... "stuff" but never anserews it... Such as the....

1. Fog monster
2. Polor bear
3. Invisable killing fence?
4. All the "stuff" about the hidden buildings
5. random Pirate ship?
6. Why is the island magnatic?

Regaurdless, lost has it's highlights, and good points like you said. And perhaps they did exclaim some of these Q's in the last two seasons....

I was one of those kids, who would record every episoide, and rewatch it, looking at all the hidden clues, and ect, becuase besides drama and adventure, there was always mystories.... After the third season I was all "WTH?! will it ever explain anything" and gave up and decided watching heros instead.

I belive at this point, the producers are so screawed explaining everything, they will reveal the island "spirit" does exsist, and made ALL of this "stuff" happen! So basically a avrege viewer like me, gets hooked on the mystory of the show,spends hours trying to get a rashinal explanation, and the the producers screaw me over with that island spirate/destiny "stuff"...

I understand why alot of people still like the show, and even like the island controlling everyone, but I didn't like it, and thats that.... The only 3 people they haven't killed off I like is the Dr., the knife bald guy who was paralized, and the fat guy I like, hurly I think, been so long I don't remember

[Spak-Spang]

---Edited for Khush.

[Khushrenada]

Get your Lost discussion out of this thread. I haven't seen the show yet although I plan to through DVD seasons and all I see are spoilers, spoilers, spoilers.

Back on topic,

Didn't puppet man die at the end of the Vol. 3? I was sure he was shark bait as Noah put it so well.

Since we know that Angela is working with Noah against this program, I'm really thinking she is behind Rebel. I could be wrong and it would be surprising if she really did have nothing to do with it but I'm thinking an Angela/Micah partenership is going on.

So, Sylar's dad was able to slice people's heads with telekinisis also? Didn't Sylar have to steal/learn that ability from his first victim? Or am I remembering things wrong? I liked the quote of Sylar being the most powerful person on the planet or something to that effect. It got me thinking. In comics, the most powerful man on the planet is usually the good guy ala Superman. This time, in this world, it is the villain who really is superior.

I did like the ending about Parkman with the bomb. Does this mean the Washington explosion was a bit of misdirection? That this volume is not leading up to another great disaster that must be prevented like the New York explosion? Is the real goal of this volume just to end the government hunt? Frankly, I like the idea of the Washington explosion plot being dealt with so quickly and that it was a way to trick the viewer a bit. Take their assumption of the show and what it will do and subtly twist it. We'll see if I'm correct soon enough.

Loved Noah sucking up to the Hunter and acting all big on his side. Was anyone else laughing to themselves during Matt and Peter's break-in and all the zoom-in shots. Cut to a face. Zoom-in. Cut to another face. Zoom-in. Cut to another face. Zoom-in. That was bordering on self-parody and they probably didn't even realize it.

Who would have that the character to show the most growth on this series would be the Bennet mom? She's the only who seems to be evolving the most.

No sign of Hiro or Ando again. Interesting. Is next episode supposed to be when they save Matt?

Have to hand it to the Government program. They are slowly rounding up the heroes. Ep. 2: Tracy and Daphne. Ep. 4: Mohinder. Ep. 5: Matt Parkman.

Heroes left to round-up:

Peter Petrelli
Claire
Hiro/Ando?
Angela Petrelli
Nathan Petrelli? (You figure at some point he is going to become a target)
Sylar

There's not a lot of people still roaming free at this point. Of course, there are still those who have fallen off the radar:

Monica
Micah
Molly
The Haitian (what's he up to these days?)

So, either everyone gets captured or there is another massive prision break or they are released either by the government or a cure is found. It will be interesting to see how this predicament ends provided they don't revert to the whole back to status quo as people keep complaining about.

[Spak-Spang]

I can't remember what happened to Puppet Man, they have him squaring off with Sylar and he couldn't control him and he was aside knocked out.  Which begs the question why didn't Sylar kill him and take his ability, I mean come on Sylar that would have been one of the most powerful abilities for you to obtain.  Oh well he was on a mission I guess.

Sylar's dad having the Telekinesis ability makes sense.  In volume 3 villains, Noah talked about how they brought Sylar in and tested him, the only ability they could discover he had was telekinesis.  Now we know he got it from his father, and learned it through empathic means or like Peter learns his power, which was also shown he can do in Volume 3.  This was before he probably even knew he had an ability to intuitive comprehension.  This was a good Sylar episode, and you know I don't like Sylar so if I say that it is better than good.

As for Angela, I am not sure.  Whomever is sending out these rebel messages MUST have a sort of precognition ability and Angela does have that ability when she sleeps.  Her motivation is keeping her children alive and trying to get the family back together.  She could be the rebel with Micah helping or someone else (I think that would be cool.)  She will not do anything to hurt Nathan nor will she do nothing and allow Peter to be hurt.  But something tells me the conversation with Nathan is a red herring and they want us to believe Angela is helping, but it is someone else. 

You know I wish they would show more stories of how the government agency is doing...we have no idea who they have rounded it up, and it seems they have not been to successful.  They should of had an episode early this volume devoted to just showing Nathan's team rounding up people...some escaping others not...and showing how good the team really is.  Right now they seem more pathetic than anything else. 

The Haitian is probably out of the country laying low.  Monica I think may be permanently written out of the show along with Molly and Micah.  Hopefully not, but I think they made an effort to eliminate all the "fat" from the slow and focus it more directly on the main characters. 

As a side note, did you know the original concept of Superman was for him to be a villain and as the character progressed it was finalized that he was a hero.  I believe Sylar may be going through this transition...but if that is the case I can see Sylar dying after his transition is complete. Really, where can they go with him after this story about his parents are told?

[Khushrenada]

---Edited for Khush.

The power I have. You didn't have to edit the whole post. Although it is nice to not have to avert my gaze anymore.

[Spak-Spang]

So finally a new episode of Heroes aired.  If you don't already know these thread contains spoilers.

The episode was called Cold Snap, and it was pretty epic. 

Basically, the corrected 1/4 of the problems I had with the show, and did it in a great way.  The show had an epic feel following SEVERAL characters, but doing it in such a way that it didn't feel too rushed, nor did it drop the central story arc of the single episode.

What happened.

We finally got several of the cast of characters back to their normal selves.  Matt, and Suresh are back on the streets.  I don't know why they didn't try to free the others, but hey at least the main cast if free for more stories.

2 characters died, which is pretty darn big for a Heroes episode because too many people seem to die and come back to life in the show.  This time the players are definitely dead, and its was really good for the story arc, not needless deaths at all.  Although, some may debate that, I definitely see it as a balance issue...at least with Daphne.  They wanted to get rid of time travel in the show, and they showed her having the ability to move throughout time...unfortunately it meant she had to go.  But wait you quickly say what about...

Hiro has his power back, finally.  Or rather Hiro has a modified version of his power back, exactly what I said he needed to have.  He has time manipulation without teleportation.  Which means he can't time travel, so his ability should be safe....but he can speed up time, slow down time, and stop time.   It is a pretty darn good balance, because Hiro is powerful, but not unstoppable.  Hiro has the more interesting Time Manipulation which to me is the ability that defined the show and Hiro, but doesn't have the teleportation to really muck things up.  Of course this is unconfirmed, it is just my speculation of what it means with his power.

So what else happened?  Because so far it isn't that epic?  Well, we find out who Rebel is...and it isn't a shocking reveal, in fact it is fairly obvious, and what more, perfectly balanced and reasonable for the story.  And best of all, we get to continue the story of a classic Hero in such a way that he won't be annoying or cheesy...it is an amazing reboot.  Yes, I am talking about the weakest character from season 1 and 2:  Micah.  Rebooted, more mature, and definitely ready to have his story told again.

Also, not so obvious things revealed.  Sylar is working with "The Hunter."  In the previous episode it shows Sylar in his apartment at the end, and the beginning of this episode is with the Puppet Master captured for "The Hunter."  Only 2 people could have caught him...and I believe the most logical solution is Sylar.  So why is he doing this?  I think he wants to get rid of all the abilities so he can be a god...but does the Hunter know this?  Who will betray whom first?  This is of course my theory of what is going on.

It appears the Petrelli's are good for a family reunion and a rejoining of sides, which means that we have clearly defined sides us vs them.  Humans vs Abilities.  How very X-men, but then again I am ok with that. 

Now for my big over the top prediction.  A Petrelli will die this season.  And, although I wish it was Nathan, I believe it is going to be Angela...but by whom we don't know, and perhaps won't know this season. 

[BlackNMild2k1]

Nice post. but a few things i want to point out. Daphne = dead... fine but Tracy = dead?? maybe.
Did you see her ice sculpture face blink? What if her powers evolve like Matt Parkmans did?
Maybe her powers go from frozen touch --> cold snap --> Ice Queen (solidify & liquify)?
Personally I don't mind seeing her go, but she still has another identical sister(or two) out there somewhere, so one way or another, she will be back(the actress, not necessarily that character)

Your theory on time manipulation seems solid, and I like it, but Hiro is annoying. I hope Peter steals his power again and then they kill Hiro off (ok not really, but can he grow up a little bit?).

I thought Ando's power was power magnification? Now he can shoot red electricity from his hands?

I'm so happy Micah is back, and sounds like he hit puberty too. His character had so much potential, and they never used any of it. You're right though, it was kinda obvious who Rebel was. Who else can manipulate all these electronic devices... hmmmm.

And didn't a Petrelli already die this season?
Father Patrelli? @ the hands of Sylar?

[Spak-Spang]

Tracy was shot in the Heart by the the hunter after she was frozen.   So she is dead.  I even think she may have shattered.  If she turns out to be alive it will ruin the moment of sacrifice she had when she picked a side and chose death over compromise.

Ando's power is hard to figure out.  Yes, he is a power amplifer, but they also showed him in the future shooting it.  My theory is that he projected out the Amplifier and it wasn't something that could kill, and in fact if somebody had an ability it would have still amplified them.  It will make his ability more useful if he can project it out towards people. 

One thing they haven't explained with Hiro's ability is whether or not he stops all time or just time within a radius of where he is.  I would really like an answer to this.  Because it seems important.

And Hiro was my favorite character from season 1, and he grew that season, from a childish dreamer into a true hero.  But the writers have foolishly used his character as mainly comic relief not allowing his purpose in the story to be truly explored in a serious nature.

And yes Father Petreilli died last volume by Sylar/Peter.  Sylar actually killed him, but Peter shot the bullet. 

But here is why I believe Angelia is going to die, her character is interesting, but I believe its being played out, and I believe she is going to sacrifice herself for both of her sons, and that sacrifice will lead into volume 5 somehow.  I am really worried about volume 5 though, because I have no idea where they can go after this volume, unless they somehow just continue this fugitive type story.

[Khushrenada]

Yeah. Great episode last night. I didn't comment on the previous episode as that one just seemed to be about advancing the plot and ramping up the story. It was great to see John Glover (Lionel Luther) as Sylar's dad. He has the market on playing evil fathers apparantly. It was interesting to see him send Sylar on a new direction. The feud between Nathan and the Hunter was fun but we knew how it would end and finally Nathan's secret was revealed. Plus, Angela and the Hunter's confrontation. Other than that, it was a lot of set-up for this episode.

So, onwards. I have to agree with Spak that this should definitely help fix complaints of the show. People are using their powers better and better and it's great to watch. I was actually happy to see Micah was rebel. Called it. Although it was the obvious choice. Still, I think that was the first time I was happy to see Micah on the show. The bigger shock was hearing his voice when he called for the taxi.

Hero deaths. Or death. I have to side with BlackNMild2k1 here. The wink at the end seemed to indicate that she lives. To me, that was kind of a cop-out by the writers. It just seemed to be a way to keep the door open for Tracy's return in case they killed her off too soon. But the Daphne death was real. I found it interesting that I was more disappointed to lose Daphne than Tracy. I guess I liked the speed power more. Or maybe it's just been hard to care about Tracy. For a moment, I thought the writers had really blown it by letting Parkman fly. After such a strong episode, I couldn't believe they were about to ruin it. Silly me.

The biggest disappointment was no Sylar. They ended last episode with Sylar and the Hunter in the same room and then nothing happened. All we get is the Puppetman tied up. That confrontation is saved for next week. Oh well.

I liked the Hunter and Mohinder conversation at the start of the episode. "Why did you bring me here?" "I figured it was easier than carrying you." The prison break was funny also. Like Spak mentioned, did they help the other people escape or was it just the 4 friends who escaped together?

It was good to see Peter pop in for a moment as well. Noah isn't doing too well. No rebel and he didn't kill Tracy. It was great to see Hiro regain part of his power back. Ando's blast was interesting. I can't say I dislike him being able to send out blasts of power. It makes sense a bit. His power charges other people's powers. So, if a person doesn't have a power, what happens to that energy? It gives them a shock. Plus, people are always complaining that powers never progress on the show so here's an example of powers progressing.

If Baby Touch and Go can activate powers, can he turn them off as well? I, for one, don't mind Hiro and Ando as the comedy relief. I always smile when they come on. Plus, they've usually had some of the better emotional moments of the show so they can be both comedy and tragedy.

So, the powers are coming together and getting stronger. What's it all leading to and where do they go from here? It's going to be interesting to find out. My guess: the Hunter is exposed as being more dangerous than the heroes and or the heroes do something to change the opinion of the president like his save his life or prevent a big disaster. Perhaps Nathan will then turn things around by starting a new homeland security division made up of Heroes to prevent future threats instead.

Anyways, that's just my little idea. Still, it should be interesting to see how things go between Noah and the Hunter and what Nathan will do to fix things. Will we see John Glover return? His hunger seems to have been re-awakened by Sylar. And just what is Sylar's purpose now?

[Spak-Spang]

Did everyone completely miss Tracy being shot in the heart point blank?

Am I the only one that saw that? 

I was glad Sylar wasn't in this episode too much was going on and including him in the episode would have made the episode too complex.

I knew Hiro was going to get his power back that episode once he met the baby, and it was nice to acknowledge that Matt Parkman's wife is still alive, and acknowledge his old life.  Personally, I think more needs to be done with that, because I felt that character just disappeared.

I can not stress how much I enjoyed Micah this episode, I think it is so cool, because I HATED whenever he was on the in seasons 1-2.  It was smart to have dropped the character out of volume 3 and give us time to purge ourselves of annoying Micah in preparation for the reboot.

I personally hate that they killed Daphine, but I understand why it was done.  Time Travel can't be apart of this show anymore...unless that is what Volume 5 is about...more on that later. 

I do believe Baby Touch N Go can definitely turn powers on and off.  Which brings me to where I think the series could go in Volume 5, Two different possibilities.

1)Baby Touch N Go's powers are amplified and several 100s to 1000s of people with abilities waiting to be activated are turned on, radically changing the balance of people with abilities and without.  Of Course Ando will have amplified this power.

2)I am waiting for the episode Ando Amplifies Hiro's ability...it will happen it has to.  So what if Ando Amplifies Hiro's power and the entire world (Read everyone in our cast) is either thrown into the future greatly or into the past.  If it was the past I can see throwing us all back into around pre-season 1, but everyone has their powers and memories.  Though more likely a great Volume 5 would be into a very dark future in which all the heros have to work together to save...or return from.

John Glover's father character is not going to play a significant role I don't believe, but I could be wrong.  Sylar's new purpose, I think it is to gain power over the world.  I think there will be an unholy alliance between the Hunter and Sylar, and both will be using each other for their own gain.  I think it will end with the Hunter betraying and getting the upper hand over Sylar, because otherwise Sylar could gain everyone elses power that is caught and he would be too powerful...unless that is the direction of Volume 5, Sylar as an uncontrollable, unstoppable dictator of the world. 

[BlackNMild2k1]

Did everyone completely miss Tracy being shot in the heart point blank?

Am I the only one that saw that?

She was frozen solid. After she was shot, she resembled a shattered block of ice.
If I have an ice sculpture and shatter it, once I thaw it, refreeze and reform it, does it matter that it was broken before?
Shot through the heart & shattered yet she still blinked at us at the very end. She was not "officially" dead yet.

But like I said,, dead or not, it doesn't matter, she still has atleast one more identical sister who will be making an appearance at some point.
If they end up traveling back to the past, that could mean a sister reunion, but I'm not sure where that would lead, so lets hope it doesn't actually happen.

[Spak-Spang]

An ice Sculpture isn't alive.

[BlackNMild2k1]

But she blinked after being shattered.

She looked like a frozen person at first. But after she was shattered she looked like a shattered ice sculpture. then she blinked.
I'm not saying they will bring her back, but I don't think its confirmed that she is dead... yet.

[Plugabugz]

My friend is arguing that this is a classic "bryan fuller" ep and the best of the season. It's not a coincidence that almost right after his return things start to improve again.

[Khushrenada]

Did everyone completely miss Tracy being shot in the heart point blank?

Am I the only one that saw that?

She was frozen solid. After she was shot, she resembled a shattered block of ice.
If I have an ice sculpture and shatter it, once I thaw it, refreeze and reform it, does it matter that it was broken before?
Shot through the heart & shattered yet she still blinked at us at the very end. She was not "officially" dead yet.

But like I said,, dead or not, it doesn't matter, she still has atleast one more identical sister who will be making an appearance at some point.
If they end up traveling back to the past, that could mean a sister reunion, but I'm not sure where that would lead, so lets hope it doesn't actually happen.

Yeah. The wink occurs after she has been shot in the heart and her shattered face is lying on the ground. Did you see that?

Also, there won't be another sister. Tracy found out that she was form a group of triplets. The triplets are Jessica (who died young by an abusive father), Nikki (who died in New Orleans) and Tracy (who died? in a parking lot). And they say there are no deaths on Heroes.

[Spak-Spang]

I didn't see that.  So I could be wrong...I will have to rewatch. 

Man if they bring her back I will be upset...the ice should have melted...

[BlackNMild2k1]

Also, there won't be another sister. Tracy found out that she was form a group of triplets. The triplets are Jessica (who died young by an abusive father), Nikki (who died in New Orleans) and Tracy (who died? in a parking lot). And they say there are no deaths on Heroes.

Oh. I thought Jessica & Nikki were the same person, which would leave 2 more sisters(1 of them being Tracy). Forgot that Jessica was splitting the personality of her dead sister Nikki.

edit: are you sure there isn't one more sister? cause I can't shake the memory of there being atleast one more sister
Does the name *"Barbara" ring a bell to anyone? Ali Larter will be back. as either Tracy and/or Barbara. I'm sure of it.

*possible spoiler

[Spak-Spang]

Rewatched the episode on G4, and you guys are right.  there was a wink...and it was really stupid.  A wink and a tear.  This makes me have to admit she is probably still alive...or at least she was still alive as ice.

I think the writers and producers are leaving the door open to bring her back depending on fan reaction.  Personally, that was a dumb inclusion to the episode.  But it wouldn't surprise me...once again it just proves that in Heroes it is very hard to truly die.

Jessica and Nikki were the same person, but I think one of the triplets personalities got stuck in the same body when it died as a baby...I think that was the story. 

[BlackNMild2k1]

Did anybody watch Heroes tonite?
Did I miss something from a past episode? Since when could Sylar teleport?

[Spak-Spang]

Where did he teleport? 

I think it was just a bad editting, or rather dramatic editting. 

[BlackNMild2k1]

watch iti again. Sylar suddenly appears inside of the car, then when the bald agent guy turns around Sylar is gone. Then he's up on a roof top or something. He got in and out of the car without so much as opening a door or cracking a window.

Then he gets that package into the bald agent guys office without being recognized or even seen.

How & where did he get a teleporting power?

[Spak-Spang]

That is what I thought you were referencing.  Yeah, they could be implying that he has the ability to teleport...truthfully, they can give him whatever powers they want and say he got it offscreen.

However, I believe that they did some of it for dramatic effect.  But, it was poorly done.

[Spak-Spang]

Last Nights Episode was great.

I loved to watch Sylar slowly torture and destroy Noah Bennett, but I am annoyed that Noah didn't actually kill someone and that it was Sylar.  Why?  The healing isn't controllable.  Sylar shouldn't been able to just prevent himself from healing...I am not quite sure what happened in that scene.  It would have been easier to just have him kill an innocent man.

It is also nice to see definite sides forming we have Sylar, the Hunter and the government vs. the Petrelli's and Bennett with nothing to lose.  Which by the way, Noah with nothing to lose is much more dangerous than Noah on a leash protecting his family.  I must say Sylar made a mistake.  I still want to see Sylar dead though. 

Also, I really hated the explaination of Sylar surviving the fire.  The glass melted?  A fire hot enough to have melted glass would have given severe damage to all Sylar's skin, brain.  I know he has the power to regenerate but I don't think its that good.  His body should have been destroyed.  Oh well...

Now, what is also nice is it appears that they are laying the ground work much better for the next volume.  It doesn't appear just to be a new story arc, but that perhaps they will continue with the current direction and just add another layer.

With just 3 more episodes left I can't wait to see what happens...this volume has completely restored my faith in the show and I am interested to see Matt as a father and how Hiro will be the wildcard to this battle. 

Just please give me the season ender I want, and Kill Sylar.  PLEASE!!!

[Caliban]

I'm liking these last few episodes of Heroes. It was a good thing they got the guys from Pushing Daisies to come to Heroes because he's doing a wonderful job.

I agree, Sylar should die, or at least make him more interesting because right now he's just acting like a coward.

[Spak-Spang]

I find it funny, that Sylar is that threatened by Noah.  He won't just kill him...perhaps he doesn't think he can kill him, or perhaps he is obsessed with him and his family now.  He can't just kill him, he wants to ruin his life.

They are setting the characters up for a crash course, and it must end eventually, if they don't I believe they will trivialize everything that has occurred between them.  So either Noah or Sylar must die, or something must happen that pushes them away from each other permanently.  But I don't believe that is going to happen.  They have wrapped Bennet's story too much around his family and Sylar.  However, I don't know where they are going with Sylar's character.

He was bad, he was good, then he was bad but with sympathetic note about him.  Now he is becoming just a monster again...which I like, its best when Sylar is a calculated serial killer but you can only have a super powered Hannabal for so long before you have to put him away.  What is humorous is he has died twice now in the series (or could have died twice) and I just want him to finally croak.  Specially since they have downgraded all the powers of the heroes to the point if Sylar gets any more powerful there is no stopping him. 

 

[Plugabugz]

I'm liking these last few episodes of Heroes. It was a good thing they got the guys from Pushing Daisies to come to Heroes because he's doing a wonderful job.

I said this back at Cold Snap and its especially evident now. There's an article on digital spy (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a151256/heroes-exclusive-hrg-speaks.html) where HRG, or at least the actor, says how heroes became too focussed on catalysts and sci-fi-esque, and now that bryan fuller is back it's slowly coming back to being about the characters again.

However, i'm still not convinced that it's "back" yet.  After the massive shock House pulled this week... I'm convinced Heroes has a long way to go.

[Spak-Spang]

Heroes has much to repair from the last few volumes.  jeff Loeb basically ruined much of the show. 

I think the biggest problem with Heroes was they lost their direction after Season 2 fell apart.  Tim Krang basically said Season 2 sucked, and that they were trying to learn from their mistakes.  Personally, I liked much of season 2, and although some things did not work (Don't add more and more main characters) the focus on actual character development was great, and the slow growth of the characters was important.  Season 2 had some of the deepest character evolution with Hiro we have seen the entire show. 

Volume 3 came out and it was focused on events and twists.  See they misjudged what was wrong with season 2, and they were afraid of becoming too much like LOST.  IE: Having too many mysteries and not answering enough questions.  So volume 3 had several twists that were resolved in the next episode or two and not allowing the character to develop within those events. 

I believe Volume 4 has solved that main issue.  We have slowly seen character evolve and see the errors of their ways again, and learn what is truly important to them.  Nathan only sees things through a bigger picture, a negative outlook seeing how powers can be dangerous to the country, and Peter sees everything on the small personal scale.  Nathan was never evil, but he made poor decisions, and Angela was stuck between them realizing Peter is wrong because there is no good just fight or a purpose for heroes with powers in the real world...and Nathan is wrong because you can't solve this problem by rounding everything up and nuetralizing the threat.

Noah has believed he had done everything for his family, but the truth is he has done everything for his own personal need.  He only knows this life of hunting special people and capturing them.  It doesn't matter who he does for, it has become his life and without it he is lost.  He was losing his family in the process, but not until he is faced with actually losing his family did he begin to see how he was ruining his life.  He finally hit rock bottom threatening his wife.  He is Captain Ahab and Sylar is his whale. 

Hiro and Ando are the Yen and Yang of the show.  Hiro is idealistic to a fault.  He sees the world in simple black and white terms, he is destined to be an hero to stop the evils in this world and lives by the code of the hero (his very own Bushido)  Ando is the realist.  He sees the practical side of the world.  He understands that no matter what they do evil will exist and their battle is endless and thank less.  It is better to not even try and just live life.  His friendship and loyalty keep him protecting Hiro and dragging him further along this journey.

Matt Parkman is the every man.  He is whom I think we the audience should identify with most.  He wants to do good and he seeks justice, however he stumps along the way and loses himself to his emotions and the overwhelming responsibilities and ethical questions his power brings him. 

These are the main characters of the show, and the character that must be developed and evolve with the story.  Notice most of the best evolution has happened in Volumes 1,2 and now Volume 4.  The show is getting better.

By the way, I left out Sylar.  That is because he has never had a theme.  The first Volume he was a monster.  The second volume he was a monster.  The 3rd they tried to humanize him and it just sucked.  Volume 4 they are moving him back into that serial killer monster again...but how cares.  The most intriguing stuff they did with Sylar was back in volume 2 when you realized that even without his power he was a killer and lusted for power and control even without his ability.  This is why I want Sylar dead, they have created a wonderful monster, a force a sheer destruction, but that story must have an end.  Evil that dark must always be defeated. 

Volume 4 for me has bought them commitment for me to watch Volume 5.  Which is a huge deal because Volume 3 almost cancelled all interest I had in the show.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Its too bad they can't do re-shoots and release a Heroes director cut.

[Spak-Spang]

BlackNMild:  I know I think it would be nice to get a redo on Season 2.  I mean they just left that entire season hanging, and unless they moved some of the ideas in Season 3 (which I doubt) it would have been nice to see what happened.  I actually liked Peter gaining experience with the Irish Mob and falling in love, I thought that was an inspired idea, but then they just took her away and we don't know anything about what happened to her.  Depressing. 

The writers strike sucked so hard. 

[Snipper64]

Well, I guess I'll bump this up with a brief summery of the newest episiode, "1961"

I don't have time to say a review AND the summery, so here is a direct quote from wikipedia on the episiode.

"The Petrelli family are re-united in coyote sands along with HRG as Angela reveals the truth about what really happened in 1961, and how the company was formed.

Whilst digging up the graves of the unknown deceased bodies, Angela travels into her memories unto what happened in Coyote Sands. In 1961, Angela Petrelli, Alice Petrelli, Charles Deveaux, Bob Bishop and many others with powers were rounded up and placed in a camp which was enforced by the government. However, this is a secret to the prisoners of the camp (Angela, Alice etc...) as they are bewildered as to why they are there." -Wikipedia
 
A few things this left out was that we met Angela's sister whoi can control weather, Alice. And that she is still alive, but hates her sister for leaving her, also left out the Petrelli Bros. "kiss and make up" their past, and the family pushes to make a effert to stop the gov. and rebury the truth.

As for my personal review, this episiode was dantly boring compared to other episiodes. The great part is that the plot was pushed ahead and we learn many of the secrets how the "compiny" started. This episiode we also learn the normaly heartless Angela opens up and we see her in fact doing ALL what she did for the best of mankind in the long run. The other main part is the bros. make up, and are willing to work together again (finally) and Claire respects her step dad alot more for trying to stop the gov. The story that was focusing on Alice was a nice change to the series, and I enjoyed it. Also the Dr. (can't type last name) finds out a bit more about his father, again nice to learn a bit more backstory.

This episiode didn't effect the series that much, only that the compeny may be made again, it was a treat for the viewers, and while I liked this one, I can't wait for the action again!

(Sorry, no time left to finish, nor check grammer)

[Spak-Spang]

I think 1961 was a good episode, it was an important episode in setting the pieces up for the finale, and getting a glimpse into what I think will become Volume 5. 

What is more important is that the episode is working to repair some of the damage of the Eclipse episodes from volume 3.  Going back to the idea that the powers are genetic or gene manipulated, and has nothing to do with the eclipse.  It was good to see the Petrelli family united again, but this time it better stick.  I am tired of family feuding and it is time for them to grow up and trust each other, or at least begin to act like they care for each other.  If they bring up any of the Claire/Father issues or Nathan/Peter issues again next season I may just quiet right then and there.

As for Angela's sister, I loved the story, but I wish she didn't have a power or at least not the power to manipulate weather, but since we are now introduced to her, I wonder if she might become a villain for next season.  She has a strong enough power, and a personal motive to be against the family...

Overall I would say this was an important filler episode, but it could be completely missed and you would not be lost in the series.  Still, I think it is important to distance the show from the mistakes of Volume 3, and this episode was a great step towards that goal. 

[BlackNMild2k1]

is Volume 3 season 2? or is volume 3 most of the middle part of season 3?

[Plugabugz]

Volume 3 is the first 13 episodes of Season 3.

[Snipper64]

Hmmm... Alice becoming a baddie... didn't think of that, good thought.

Also, alot of people hate Syler, but I think he is important to the show as Hero, and shouldn't be killed off as some of you said. As for the bald guy who hunts everyone with powers, I like him, but won't miss him when he gets killed off Someone said ( I think Spank-Spang) that evil like syler should always die/ or loose. What they made clear is that he isn't evil, he isn't even really greedy for power nor money, he is a ALL NEW breed of force, neither good nor evil, same concept of something being bitter sweet. Thats what make syler so cool. True, he could now just kill of president and take over nation, or go out of his way trying to get every power, but instead he now waits for power to bump into him, he doesn't hunts like he did before. He is the most complex intreging charector I've ever seen in a movie or telivison, he is great for it.

Why did I type all of that up for syler? Well I was bored, but I do agree with everything I just said, Hero and Syler are my two fav. charectors.

[Spak-Spang]

Snipper:  My point about Sylar is they don't know what they want to do with him. 

Volume One he was the big villain.  An evil person that was consumed with power and obtaining as much as possible, there was nobody that could stop him, except for Peter or Hiro, who had powers and abilities greater than even Sylar.

Volume Two we find out that Sylar wasn't just evil because of his ability, he was a natural serial that manipulated people, and it wasn't about his ability at all.

Volume Three Sylar is all of the sudden trying to mend his ways?  Supposedly he isn't a cold killer, but a victim of this power that makes me lust/hunger for more.  He could better himself, but he has no reason to believe in himself because nobody else does.  He even learns a new way to take people's abilities.  But, then midway through the season after he lost his abilities and gains them back he realizes he must have more power again and begins to become the monster. 

Volume Four:  Searching for his father he is now not just a serial killer, but we learn every move he makes is calculated, planned and nothing he does is irrational.  Well, this does not bear true to his past actions from the other volumes, but ok.  He finds his father, but does this lead to him evolving or learning who he is?  No, it just renews his purpose to become a monster again, like in Volume 1, to strive for real change and ultimate power.

And from what I understand, Sylar is about to have ANOTHER identity crisis with the upcoming I am Sylar episode.  Well, I am tired of going back and forth on being sympathetic or not with Sylar.  To me he is becoming bland, and the creators have used him as a crutch for too long in not developing any other good villains.  In fact what makes volume 4 so great is that the government and the hunter are the main villains and have been far more interesting than Sylar. 

I have to disagree I find Sylar's character far from complex, and lacking a total theme.  I think the most complex character on the show is problem either Nathan, Angela or Noah.

The most complex character I know on television is a toss up between Ben Linus and James Ford from LOST.  Those characters have actually grown and changed throughout their shows.

[Spak-Spang]

I am Sylar Review:

I am continually amazed how much better the writing team has gotten with this volume.  So far no episode has felt out of place or any character feeling like they are being written. 

This episode is Sylar-sentric and it was a good Sylar episode.  Focusing on Sylar having problem dealing with living the life of another.  It begins to ask the question again of the consequences to Sylar absorbing too many abilities, and humanizes his internal struggles of identity and evil.  You begin to see that he does not truly want to be an evil man.  But he is evil, and although he doesn't want to be evil, he can't help himself.  He is obsessed with his power, and obsessed with finding a reason and purpose.  It reminds me of an young man going through puberty and being confused about all these natural urges and desires for women.  He begins to look at them all as objects to lust after, because he never had anyone teach him his purpose as a man to be a father and head of a family.  Instead of trying to learn the difficult lesson, he allows his urges to over take him, and he becomes a womanizer. 

Anyway, the question I have now is does this make me change my opinion of Sylar?  The "most interesting" character of the show?   Sadly no.  I think it is a great direction in understanding his madness, but he still must be overcome, and he is still a villain of pure evil.  But, there is not much more to say about this section of the episode, so lets move on to some others.

Hiro and Ando still prove to be the weakest part of this season, as the writers are struggling to figure out their friendship and partnership.  I think they are trying to give the characters this history of being life long friends struggling with a transition, but it just comes across as annoying and they bicker too much between each other.  Also, I am annoyed with how dumb Hiro is, and that his actions and plans fall apart because they are not well thought out.  Yes, I think they are trying to show Ando is brains of the two and Hiro is the heart, but Ando hasn't been very bright either.  I love these characters, but they are under utilized and I believe it is because they still don't know what to do with their powers.  And Hiro now developing a sort of weakness with his time manipulation is lame.  Still, I am excited to see them have a full on assault with Building 26, and if anyone can stop them it is Hiro and Matt Parkman and Ando, the energizer.  I hope they can actually film a final that lives up to that. 

Finally, I really love what they are doing with Matt Parkman.  Talk more about that later.

[Plugabugz]

I thought this ep was yet more meh. There is a large amount of drama now, especially in the past 10 episodes, but something isn't clicking.

Hiro/Ando continue to serve to annoy me. The rest just add more meh.

[Spak-Spang]

But, I feel they are building to something, there is about to be a great big show down, and the direction and sides for this season finale are clearly drawn and laid out before the episode.  We know Hiro and Ando are about to storm into Building 26.  We know Matt is going to help out.  We know there is going to be a show off between Sylar and the only hero left to stop him Peter and I guess maybe Noah. 

What I like is seeing Matt Parkman find something to live for and motivate him.  I love the idea of them pulling his family back together and them working on an issue that has effect millions of people: divorce.  I want to see how the writers handle that next season.

This episode was trying to be character development, and as I said since it focuses on Sylar I am torn between the results.  What is troubling is that we know a sacrifice is going to occur next episode, and most likely someone is going to die, but I bet Sylar gets out alive.  Really?  Are we going to have another season of Sylar alive causing trouble?  I hope not.

[Plugabugz]

It doesn't bring it together in a way that's making me go OH! and sit up pondering the possibilities. Lost has done a great job of doing that (explaining time travel is difficult enough, but then to do it and to place it in its own unique mythos is harder still!), but Heroes keeps returning to this backwards staple of having characters do stupid things. Nathan faces off against Sylar. Sylar bringing Micah into his house (what a wasted cameo!) for no reason. Hiro freezing Ando to allow him to get captured. Is any of that necessary?

I liked Parkman's motives at the end of the ep and it really felt like he was doing the right thing there and then, but it's not worth waiting an hour to see 2 minutes worth of something good.

[Spak-Spang]

What is annoying is they don't actually think about other solutions.  Why worry about bait when you can follow them in a car?

So Sylar wants to believe Micah believes he is special, but does Micah really need to see Sylar freak out?  NO.

Nathan running off to be the lone hero again, when the reality is he can't stop it. 

The best part of the episode was when the Hunter took out Sylar and I thought, FINALLY.  A nice twist, but then Sylar gets up, and its oh, never mind, Sylar just can be stopped typical. 

So right now the finale is going to be Peter, Hiro, Ando, and Matt Parkman because those are the only ones free...besides Micah who may or may not help.  a Smaller group for the finale is smart...but lets see what they do with it.

[Plugabugz]

I changed my mind again about Matt actually; he still made a stupid decision. He took the baby back to the house where he already knew the agents were watching.

[mantidor]

The show is finally on a good track, but we have yet to see if it wasn't too late after the terrible volume 3. Still, past episodes have been good and I'm looking forward the finale.

[Caliban]

I didn't like the ending for chapter 4 at all. It was good in its execution, but I just didn't like the plot it has pushed onto chapter 5.

[Khushrenada]

Yeah, I have some real mixed feelings over the ending of this volume. Does that mean I'm stopping on Heroes? No. I still like the show a lot. Ever since BlacknMild asked the question about Sylar teleporting, I kind of stopped doing my own little recaps in this thread because it threw me for a loop and it left me wondering about that.

But, I'll post more tomorrow on my thoughts of the past few episodes and the final.

[BlackNMild2k1]

looks like I called the Tracy thing.
And now we actually know which Petrelli died. even though he lives on.
And if they want to keep Sylar dead, they better make sure Parkman has regular check up with him. maybe posing as his psychiatrist or something.


I'm also calling the "Peter, you need to kill your brother, cause he's not really your brother" scenario for next season.

[Spak-Spang]

Here is the funny thing.  With what they did, the literally have a choice.  Keep Sylar dead is easy enough to do.  Just literally never have him lose control.  Or if they want to bring him back they can.

If they were smart, they would wait for that storyline for late in the season or even season 5.  But they aren't...and I would also make it just a single episode deal.  Peter could easily figure it out just by touching him and realizing he as more powers.

But Nathan should not have died so easily.  Oh well.  It really is like they decided Season 2 never happened.  Ha. 

[Snipper64]

agreed with spak about nathan dieing. I wasn't upset he died (sad syler is gone... for a while at least), but I agree there could have been a epic final battle. They used alot of special effects in this volume, alot of cool animation such in "cold snap" the girl exploding and etc, but they only had the avreage Hero stopping time special effect, and thats it. I thought the story they started was brillant (still dislike it though, but smart to come up with) but had no real climax, and the poor excuse of the battle in the locked room was very unsatifying.

Over all it was still a good episiode, perhaps a bad ender.

I have 2 Q's about heros though I wanted to ask you....

1. What happen to the mystical sword Hero got that stabbed Syler? And was going to fight the t-rex with (The t-rex that he'll probaly never fight due to producers overlooking it)?

2. What is the "Crimsion Arc" that Hero and Andro keep mumbling about? Is that the nickname for Andos powers, is it a team nickname, or is is some comic they are quoting?

[BlackNMild2k1]

1. I think the sword broke, and Hiro did face a T-Rex... in the museum.

2. Crimson Arc is the super hero name that Ando came up with for himself.
Crimson I think is the color his electric shock (crimson red)

[mantidor]

I liked the finale. It had some forced parts, some cheesy parts, but overall I think it set up what could be a good season 4. At this point I would really give up on awesome epic battles because its pretty clear to me now they just don't have the budget for it. The most we will get will be one or two episodes with things like the cold snap of tracy.

[GoldenPhoenix]

I liked the second half of this season, it seemed more focused and I have high hopes for next season which should give Bryan Fuller time to work with the writing staff, you could see some of his influence this last half but it was obvious he wasn't able to do much with it given the short amount of prep time (One of the biggest ones was the show being more focused).

[bosshogx]

As long as I get to continue the adventures of Hiro and Matt Parkman, I don't care what they do with the show.  I'm so easy to please! 

[Spak-Spang]

Volume 4 was great up until the end.  BOO on that finale, I can't mention enough how much that sucks.

I will not worry about the twisted ending, that is absolutely the WORST logic possible.  The President has a threat against him with powers, BUT if we can hide one senators death then the country can forget about this mess?  So Sylar is still alive, whatever.

But once again, they screw with Hiro.  So lets go on his journey.  1)Gets his Powers, 2)Loses his Powers, 3)Goes on Journey to get Powers back 4)Learns through a Speedster that he doesn't truly stop all time. 5)Hiro Loses power Again 6)Ando gets cool power boost others Powers 7)Hiro whines for entire volume about being powerless.  8)Hiro gets power back. 9)Hiro learns he can't use power because his body is rejecting it?  9)If Hiro uses power again he could die. 

Why not freaking kill Hiro if you are worried about his ability its not like the writers are doing anything interesting with the character.
Also, Ando's power has changed?  He now shoots it out at people, but does it still super charge people with abilities?  Or did they forget about that power which was really cool?

Why do people forget about Claire's ability to heal?  Hiro ask for some of her blood.  Perhaps it can heal you.  While you are at it...give her blood to Nathan, even if it has to be a ton of blood it will help.  Speaking of which does anyone else realize how retarded the off switch is for Claire and Sylar, if it is her blood that is capable of healing?  Not every power has to be activated by the brain...just saying.

[Spak-Spang]

As long as I get to continue the adventures of Hiro and Matt Parkman, I don't care what they do with the show.  I'm so easy to please! 

I agree Matt Parkman is becoming the go to story.  I like the side stories more than following Sylar and the main family.  But Hiro isn't Hiro anymore, and they are taking all the fun out of his story. 

[BlackNMild2k1]

Volume 4 was great up until the end.  BOO on that finale, I can't mention enough how much that sucks.

I will not worry about the twisted ending, that is absolutely the WORST logic possible.  The President has a threat against him with powers, BUT if we can hide one senators death then the country can forget about this mess?  So Sylar is still alive, whatever.

But once again, they screw with Hiro.  So lets go on his journey.  1)Gets his Powers, 2)Loses his Powers, 3)Goes on Journey to get Powers back 4)Learns through a Speedster that he doesn't truly stop all time. 5)Hiro Loses power Again 6)Ando gets cool power boost others Powers 7)Hiro whines for entire volume about being powerless.  8)Hiro gets power back. 9)Hiro learns he can't use power because his body is rejecting it?  9)If Hiro uses power again he could die. 

Why not freaking kill Hiro if you are worried about his ability its not like the writers are doing anything interesting with the character.
Also, Ando's power has changed?  He now shoots it out at people, but does it still super charge people with abilities?  Or did they forget about that power which was really cool?

Why do people forget about Claire's ability to heal?  Hiro ask for some of her blood.  Perhaps it can heal you.  While you are at it...give her blood to Nathan, even if it has to be a ton of blood it will help.  Speaking of which does anyone else realize how retarded the off switch is for Claire and Sylar, if it is her blood that is capable of healing?  Not every power has to be activated by the brain...just saying.

I agree with everything you have said in this post. But you have to overlook certain things otherwise the show will never truly move forward. And they also had to bring back Brian Fuller(?) to help with the shows direction before it just flat out got canceled, so he basically had to try and bry all the bad that was created and something watchable again that was actually going somewhere

They basically handed Brian Fuller a pile of ****, then asked him to squeeze it and turn t into a diamond. They have no idea what direction to take the show and no idea o how to get there once they figured it out.

[GoldenPhoenix]

I think the creator even said they really make it up as they go. Hopefully Fuller can add some direction to next season and get it back on track. Yeah there will probably be contradictions but it may be for the better, like what was done with Star Trek Enterprise in season 4 where they pretty much dumped mostly everything "established" the previous seasons to focus the show. Though I hope that UNLIKE Enterprise if it turns around the show will still have an audience.

[Spak-Spang]

See I think that Fuller did a great job refocusing volume 4.  I thought volume 4 was going great, and the finale hurt just a bit. 

The truth is, that next season has the potential to be good.  The Sylar/Nathan storyline is intriguing and truthfully some good writing can come of that.  But I don't want to see evil Sylar again...I am not sure I want to see Sylar again for awhile.  I actually liked the idea of Sylar wooing Claire in the Finale, it was evil and twisted...and if they care that uncomfortable nature with Claire becoming close (best friends stuff) with Nathan and we all know that Nathan is Sylar that would be a great story, specially if Sylar remains good and doesn't go back to evil.

Now for Hiro, technically he is not losing his power, his power just has consequences.  Depending on how the deal with those consequences I am ok with it.  If it means Hiro must carefully judge when to use his power because it could incap. him or something that is ok.  If he can never use his powers again then BOO.  I would rather like to see his powers regress and weaker allowing for his ability to stop time to be "beaten."

But I also want to know where badass Hiro is?  Seriously, he used to have a future self that was hardcore and not a joke.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Yeah, and Peter had a future self that was bad ass with a scar down his face.

That future obviously doesn't exist at this point, because I think up until recently I don't think the writers knew where they were going with this show for more than 2-3 episodes at a time. But don't forget Hiro is also supposed to be killed by Ando at some point, so how badass could that Hiro of been anyway?

[Plugabugz]

Has anybody noticed how Sylar's clothes either shapeshift too (when his powers cant do that) or he's changing into new ones? Make up your mind!

[Spak-Spang]

Heroes has always operated on the premise that the future is but one possible future.

I have explained this several times, but traveling to the future equals traveling to the most probable outcome.  Yet, Premonition, seeing the future equates to actually seeing the events that will unfold, yet it is not fully understood what those events mean.  As Angela says my dreams are often up for interpretation. 

What is frustrating is they have a very smart format of doing volumes and telling a story and completing it.  2 a season is also great for focusing the writing.  But they need to spend the summer focusing on a direction for the show and evolving the characters.  It is ok for characters to grow out of their initial character traits and flaws.  I thought Season 2 had potential in that regard...yet, it never came about.  I really wish the writers strike wouldn't of happened.  I would have loved to see the fully developed concept of murder mystery outline for Heroes. 

Also being killed by your best friend is vastly different than being killed by somebody else.  Perhaps he had no idea what would happen.

[Snipper64]

1. I think the sword broke, and Hiro did face a T-Rex... in the museum.

2. Crimson Arc is the super hero name that Ando came up with for himself.
Crimson I think is the color his electric shock (crimson red)

Thanks for that

Also, he did face the t-rex in the museum?! Man, too bad I missed that one, thats very funny! BUt makes sence!

[Snipper64]

Hmm... you are very good with your ideas of heros spak.

Also, does anyone have any ideas for whats going to happen in the next volume? Well besides syler realising he is not parkman, cause we all now that will happen....

Also, no one said anything about the ice woman powers changing? No she can only do water, and is out for reveange? I guess it is better then the writers saying "Oh look, there is a 4th clone/twin now"...

For what i think/hope will happen in the next volume, Nika/rebal will be put back into the story showing what he is doing (And his sister who watches and learns? almost like a mild syler power... amost, what happen to her? Alot of pertantial). I feel those two, along with others were left out from the last two volumes. Then Again, I liked this volume because they did one or two story/s a day. In the first two volumes there were 7 stories going on at once, it was nice, but frustrating because you get each storie in morsals.

Do you guys like the old 7 stories template, or the new 1-2 stories in the new episiodes? I prefear the new set up.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Hmm... you are very good with your ideas of heros spak.

Also, does anyone have any ideas for whats going to happen in the next volume? Well besides syler realising he is not parkman, cause we all now that will happen....

Also, no one said anything about the ice woman powers changing? No she can only do water, and is out for reveange? I guess it is better then the writers saying "Oh look, there is a 4th clone/twin now"...

looks like I called the Tracy thing.

Nice post. but a few things i want to point out. Daphne = dead... fine but Tracy = dead?? maybe.
Did you see her ice sculpture face blink? What if her powers evolve like Matt Parkmans did?
Maybe her powers go from frozen touch --> cold snap --> Ice Queen (solidify & liquify)?
Personally I don't mind seeing her go, but she still has another identical sister(or two) out there somewhere, so one way or another, she will be back(the actress, not necessarily that character)

Do you guys like the old 7 stories template, or the new 1-2 stories in the new episiodes? I prefear the new set up.

Focus. Its what we've praising Brian Fuller about. He brings focus to the episodes. The characters have time to develop & a story that makes sense can be told.

[Caliban]

Screw Heroes. Give me back Pushing Daisies.

[Plugabugz]

Sanctuary seems to do better with people with powers better than Heroes does.

[Caliban]

I love Sanctuary too.