Topic: Boulevard of Broken Paddles: PONG Mafia XXXVIII Dead Thread

[Stratos]

I am unavailable for comment on that issue.

*FWEEE*

[BeautifulShy]

2 hours left in the day.

[that Baby guy]

More like an hour and fifty-six minutes, give or take!

[BeautifulShy]

Drew I don't see Khush or thatguy online. I'll send Khush a Wiimail.

Edit:Just sent it. Should get it before the day is up.

Back to Bears/Falcons game.

[that Baby guy]

Wait, what needs to happen?

Edit: aha!

[BeautifulShy]

Just trying to help thatguy.

30 mins left.

[oohhboy]

Muhahahahahahahahahaha.

I enjoyed that Mexican Standoff. You didn't live to see the next day Lawman! I snorted a trunk full of coke and rocked out until I stroked out.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Thanks for saving me doctor ::rolls eyes::, most likely I could have confirmed another mafia member today!

[BeautifulShy]

Maybe the Mafia got their hit in before the protection GP.

[BeautifulShy]

Vudu this is what I think happened. Since thatguy the red paddle was voted out first that means that the Brown paddle got GF powers. Drew am I right on this?

Check the rules thread.

[vudu]

I know the brown paddle is the next godfather, but the mafia generally can't make a hit on the night they lose their godfather.  The brown paddle wouldn't become godfather until today, so there was no one to call in the hit last night.

[BeautifulShy]

Hmm that is interesting. Hope Drew gets around to clarifying this.

[Stratos]

He clarified it in today's thread if you guys didn't notice. He missed that technicality and since he didn't write it into the rules and has already posted the day with it's reveals he is sticking by that. As much as it sucks to lose the investigator like that, I agree with his decision.

Sorry, GP. I am mad @ the doctor this game. Who is he protecting? (watch, the doc is protecting me or something as I act like a total ingrate )

[NWR_DrewMG]

Maybe the Mafia got their hit in before the protection GP.

Just wanted to clarify on this point, as long as we are talking about the rules of this specific game:

I am not playing the "timestamp" game for the mafia hit/doctor save.

The doctor gets to save a player who's been hit even if s/he get's their PM to me at 6:59 AM. 

The doctor did not save GP last night, much to the townie's chagrin.  It wasn't a matter of timing.

[BeautifulShy]

Stratos I posted my post before Drew explained it.

I see Drew.

[that Baby guy]

As far as negating mafia hits go, it's a game-to-game thing, which depends on the host.  Typically, if the godfather has something special about him, for example, if he automatically appears as a townie, when he dies, the hit's lost that night, I believe.  Whenever the godfather doesn't have that specific ability, it's a toss-up for the host to choose.

Anyways, now that GP's dead, I can say this:

I can't believe I was voted out the same day I was "verified" by the investigator!  Sure, my results turned out incorrect with that, but still, no one brought up the whole mafia ability to manipulate investigation results, and I still died!  It led me to believe that had this been a normal game, and I were actually a "verified" townie, I'd have been killed, too, which is definitely crazy...

Anyways, the game's still going.  We'll see what happens now.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Well I'm fine at least I tried to get more involved in this game.

[Mop it up]

I can still make you some tea if you want it. What kind do you like?

[oohhboy]

Even if there was a time stamp race, I sent the hit well before the doctor would think to send in their action.

According to the published rules for this game

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* The voting day will begin between 7 and 9 AM CST, and end at 11 PM CST nightly.
    * Night actions will not be accepted until night begins at 11 PM CST (this is a change from my last game)
    * Night actions will be processed in the order they are received.

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Note the highlighted portion. I believe Drew had thrown himself a bit too much rope. Technically my hit never should have occurred as I did send in the hit 4 days in advance, beating any time race.

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Calling the next day a bit early, but Golden Phoenix needs a horse head in his bed.

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However I did send in the hit during the night, just not the same night as the hit. So either way, Golden Phoenix dies, and there was NOTHING the townies could have done about it.

That, by fellow forum goers, has to be the longest hit in mafia history.

However given the international nature of of the game time stamping and basing night actions in the order they are received (and when they can be received) can be an advantage/disadvantage depending on where you live. But it is up to individual hosts to figure this out for themselves and that makes it fun. There will always be loopholes. But as long as the host sticks by their own precedent, it's ok.

And no, I am not becoming a Bloody Fucking Lawyer. Pilot all the way.

[Stogi]

Calling the next day a bit early, but Golden Phoenix needs a horse head in his bed

LOL

[NWR_DrewMG]

Even if there was a time stamp race, I sent the hit well before the doctor would think to send in their action.

According to the published rules for this game

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* The voting day will begin between 7 and 9 AM CST, and end at 11 PM CST nightly.
    * Night actions will not be accepted until night begins at 11 PM CST (this is a change from my last game)
    * Night actions will be processed in the order they are received.

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Note the highlighted portion. I believe Drew had thrown himself a bit too much rope. Technically my hit never should have occurred as I did send in the hit 4 days in advance, beating any time race.

This is true, oohhboy sent the hit in a full game-day earlier than the hit was to take place.  Now, according to the spirit of my established rule, I should have disallowed this.  I really meant it when I said not to send in night actions until 11 PM (the night of the intended action.  come on, that should be implied).  However, what I found was that EVERYONE disregarded this.  By EVERYONE, I mean about 75% of the players sent in night actions sometime during the day.  I had a choice - I could either stick to my guns and rule them ineligible, or I could just let that rule slide for everyone.  I chose not to try to ignore night actions for the sake of "making a point" and thus began to get very flexible with when I allowed them.  In retrospect, I should have told oohhboy that he needed to resubmit that hit, but I don't think it would have mattered, he would have submitted the same hit anyways.  If the doctor had acted, it would have saved GP.  When I said that night actions will be processed in the order they are received, I didn't really mean that to mean that the doctor HAD to submit their action before the mafia in order to do their job.  I simply meant that in the event that two night actions superceded each other, then one would take precedent over the other.  To be honest, I'm not even sure what scenario that would entail, as I've clearly established that the doctor's action can come AFTER the hit.  I just wanted to cover my bases.  Anyways, that's the way it's played in traditional mafia.  The story that the narrator tells is that the doctor came across the dying player and saves his life.  What good is a doctor to a townie who hasn't yet been attacked?

However given the international nature of of the game time stamping and basing night actions in the order they are received (and when they can be received) can be an advantage/disadvantage depending on where you live. But it is up to individual hosts to figure this out for themselves and that makes it fun. There will always be loopholes. But as long as the host sticks by their own precedent, it's ok.

It's not really a loophole, as I established earlier.  I took your night action a day in advance because most of the players weren't following by the "wait until the night of" rule that I established, so I stopped enforcing it. 

Like I said, if the doctor had submitted the action to save GP, she would have been saved.  The only way that the doctor can be prevented on any given night is if the mafia hits THEM.

[that Baby guy]

Should it be noted that oohhboy even submitted the hit to me?

No, I'm not kidding.  He thought I was running the game just for today, and sent me the hit, too.  I thought it was kind of funny.

[vudu]

It doesn't matter.  The question isn't whether oohhboy placed the night action--it's whether it should count since he technically died before the action was carried out.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter because Drew already made the call--night actions go through regardless of if the godfather dies that day.

[oohhboy]

Hence why I said this

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There will always be loopholes. But as long as the host sticks by their own precedent, it's ok.

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If you were going to let the rules fall one way or the other, stick to it. It would have been true that I would have resubmitted the same action if I was requested to do so, but seeing Drew had explained the inner workings, the actions that night(s) wasn't a loophole as the precedent was established internally.

For future games, please pick one or the other. Either play race the time stamp or have a clear order of action. Had the doctor protected GP, this would have been one of those situations that should have invoked the second highlighted rule.

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"Doc" Yellow Paddle, who can save the life of any mafia-hit player, once per night, if the player he chooses to protect is the same player the mafia chooses to hit.  He cannot, however, protect himself.

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While it is true Doc's intro/rule doesn't have a time element, you did introduce a time element in subsequent rules. A rule even the host didn't know what to do with!

Had the Doc protected GP, GP should have been killed as the hit was before any possible protection. While it was implied actions should have been sent for the same night, it was never stated. Nor was the hit rejected for being sent in too early.

The final result would have been messy had the doc protected GP. By Drew own admission, my action was accepted the day before. There was a time stamp rule. It would have resulted in GP becoming Schrödinger's cat. My death was a given, but GP could have been both dead or alive when Drew decided either way. Or Drew could have just refused to open the box(throwing the day out). Had Drew asked me to resubmit, this issue might have been avoided.

Future hosts should be careful with time elements and rule(s) they don't intend to enforce and never imply rules or base them on tradition or unrelated games. Each game should be played rule wise, be separate unrelated universes with their own universal constants.

In any case, Drew decided to end the stand off with everyone involved dead.

[stevey]

I can't believe I was voted out the same day I was "verified" by the investigator!  Sure, my results turned out incorrect with that, but still, no one brought up the whole mafia ability to manipulate investigation results, and I still died!  It led me to believe that had this been a normal game, and I were actually a "verified" townie, I'd have been killed, too, which is definitely crazy...

That what you get for fucking up and cheating threw your teeth in the last game