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Re: Quantum of Solace
« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2009, 05:03:35 PM »
Of all the Bond movies starting with Goldeneye to whatever came before Casino Royale, which ones would you recommend?

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Re: Quantum of Solace
« Reply #76 on: March 27, 2009, 05:22:10 PM »
Beneath Casino Royale w/ Cheese was economics of terrorism, while Quantum of Solace concerned a mafia takeover of natural resources.  I know, it's hard to reason these things when the villains don't have ambitious secret bases inside underwater man-made volcanoes launching rockets that swallow diamond-studded solar powered laser-firing satellite dishes guarding cocaine shipments dissolved in fuel shipped by trucks with gold engines manufactured by steroid-using horses controlled by a decoder box situated in compromised Russian subs patrolling the bay over the San Andreas Fault that communicate with SPECTRE leadership thru Wi-Fi devices disguised as Octopi.

How long did it take you to come up with that?

My biggest complaint about QoS is that the omnipresent evil secret society wasn't SPECTRE.  I waited the whole movie for the big reveal, and it was named Quantum.  I'll bet that's not even an acronym for something clumsily diabolical.

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Re: Quantum of Solace
« Reply #77 on: March 27, 2009, 05:24:19 PM »
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Just Goldeneye, directed by Martin Campbell, who worked on Casino Royale and The Mask of Zorro.  Goldeneye is important because it marks the series' return after a considerable hiatus, whereas the series starting with Connery was literally churned out every other year.  I was always looking out for what's old that still works, new twists, and how the size/scope compares to the classic films.  I think it's the most tightly-woven Bond film (camera and acting) to feel modern yet still old-fashioned classic (non-adrenaline junkie Bond).  Casino Royale is what it is cuz Hollywood's perfected its formula for action-thrillers, down to a cookbook.

Tomorrow Never Dies is ~OK ok (has my personal favorite car of the series), while The World is Not Enough is less-than-ok (unappealing settings and crazy women).  Die Another Day was bloody awful.  Different directors at work here, with the stories trying to add some new twists to the dynamics between Bond and the various females (good or evil), with Die Another Day falling on its face.  Goldeneye and 00-Craig were more careful in this regard.

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About 2 minutes.  The movies are fresh in my mind.

EDIT:  I'll add that Tomorrow Never Dies falls in line with the classic fun-loving typical Bond films that were big on action-adventure and less on the reality that Bond is a professional killer.
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Re: Quantum of Solace
« Reply #78 on: March 28, 2009, 01:45:59 AM »
S.P.E.C.T.R.E I doubt will ever be back which is a shame. Back in the 70's there were some lawsuits leveled against EON, the company behind the Bond films by a producer Kevin McClory. It came from the Thunderball story. Kevin had worked with Ian Fleming on making a movie script for Bond. None of the studios bought it however and Ian Fleming later turned that script into the novel Thunderball. Thunderball marked the first appearance of S.P.E.C.T.R.E. and Blofeld in the Bond universe. In the 70's, Kevin sued claiming the rights to those characters and because he wanted to make his own Bond film. EON had actually planned on using S.P.E.C.T.R.E. and Blofeld in their next Bond movie, which at the time was The Spy Who Loved Me. Due to the lawsuits, they had to change the villians and that is why S.P.E.C.T.R.E. disappeared from the 007 universe. Kevin won the lawsuits and went on to make the awful film Never Say Never Again. Thank you for ruining S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Kevin McClory.

But now, it seems the Bond makers have finally decided to bring back the idea of a worldwide criminal network with Quantum. And while I had hoped we would see more of the group in the movie, it's a start. Bond is slowly working his way up the ladder like the early Bond movies as he fought higher and higher levels of S.P.E.C.T.R.E.

The greatest crime and mistake the Bond franchise made was their handling of S.P.E.C.T.R.E. It started off so well. In Dr. No, Bond meets his first agent of S.P.E.C.T.R.E., Dr. No himself. S.P.E.C.T.R.E., unhappy with the Dr. No's loss caused by Bond, come up with a plan to kill him off and profit themselves in From Russia With Love. Here we get our first glimpses of Blofeld. We see S.P.E.C.T.R.E. island, a villain training ground for the first and only time, and get a sense of the wide range of resources they have. We met No. 3, Rosa Klebb, who will meet her fate by the end of the movie. Goldfinger takes a break from S.P.E.C.T.R.E. and Thunderball brings them back to new hieghts. The famous theft of two nuclear warheads held for ransom plot. Engineered by No. 2. The famous S.P.E.C.T.R.E. meeting at the start of the movie once again helps keep the menace of Blofeld simmering.

That brings us to the You Only Live Twice. To outdo the last plot and make the Blofeld showdown worth something, we resort to stealing space capsules to cause World War 3. Yeah, the plot was weak unfortunately. Blofeld keeps pirhanas instead of No. 2's sharks. Just not the same. Donald Pleasance's Blofeld is rather weak as well. Oh, his is the Blofeld face that is most remembered and loved but Blofeld was pathetic in this showdown. And of course, there's the big empty volcano hideout fight. So-so first meeting.

But On Her Majesty's Secret Service, the Blofeld/Bond rivalry reaches its pinnacle and it delivers what just might be the best bond movie in the series. Blofeld has a much better plot. Germ warfare and the plot to cause widespread famine. Blofeld is a much more worthy opponent played by Telly Savalas. He can throw a punch this time. Plus, he kills Bond's wife. The greatest blow to Bond ever.

This brings us to Diamonds Are Forever. It starts out well enough. Bond immediately hunting down Blofeld to make him pay. But after he supposedly does this, the movie goes into its diamond smuggling plot. While it eventually leads to Blofeld again, Bond seems to have lost all the hate he once had against Blofeld. Even Blofeld acts all chummy with Bond. It doesn't help that Charles Grey doesn't remind us anything of Blofeld. He went from bald and scarred in YOLT, to just bald in OHMSS, to now having a full head of greying hair in DAF. Anyways, the movie ends with Blofeld trapped in a bathosub above an exploding offshore platform. We never see the bathosub blow up or get confirmation that Blofeld is 100% dead, leaving that plot thread open.

And that's the way it stood until For Your Eyes Only kills him off in the opening sequence. Due to the lawsuit I mentioned above, they never say Blofelds name or mention S.P.E.C.T.R.E. We just have to assume the bald man in the wheelchair with the white cat was Blofeld and because Bond was visiting Tracy's grave at the very beginning.

All that time showing Bond go through the ranks of S.P.E.C.T.R.E., fighting Blofeld for three straight films. Blofeld killing Bond's wife. And that's how it all ends. The biggest disappointment of the Bond franchise.

Hopefully, Quantum is handled better.
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Re: Quantum of Solace
« Reply #79 on: March 28, 2009, 02:07:23 AM »
Also, I agree with Pro. It's pretty much agreed that the Brosnan films decline in quality as the order they were made. Goldeneye was his best film and is a top 5 Bond movie. Tomorrow Never Dies I also highly recommend but it is weaker compared to Goldeneye. The World Is Not Enough is a weird mixture. It has some interesting ideas but it just never seems able to make them work together. The plot is highly convulted but it's not as terribly stupid as another giant laser satellite like Die Another Day. It is the only Brosnan movie not to use satellites in the villians evil plot.

Die Another Day is one of the excessive Bond films. There are three of them. You Only Live Twice, Moonraker and this one. An excessive Bond movie is one where the gadgets get too wild, the science is way too advanced, the plot is wildly unbelievable, you are unable to take the movie seriously and the producers have gone crazy in trying to top the previous movie before it. Interestingly, every Bond excess film results in the next one being scaled way down and being much more serious. On Her Majesty's Secret Service, For Your Eyes Only and Casino Royale all came after a Bond excess film and are all top Bond films.

But I could talk Bond for hours. I bought the Ultimate Collectors editions of all the Bond movies last year. There came in 4 volumes of 5 movies a volume. I watched them all through December and made my own Bond marathon. It was great. For all their faults, they are still entertaining films and I enjoy them all. The thing that surprised me was how much I enjoyed Timothy Dalton's portrayal of Bond. He reminded me a bit of Daniel Craig's portrayal at times. I wish he'd had the chance to have made a couple more films.

Anyways, what made watching the Bond movies even more enjoyable was this blog I found. I Expect You To Die! The blogger Snell really has spent too much time watching these movies but he makes some great points in his breakdowns. While I don't agree with everything he says, he made some good arguements and brought out points I'd never thought of before which helped me see the movies in a new light. I highly recommend reading through it. Great stuff. For instance, did you know that Roger Moore only holds a gun once in the movie Moonraker? And even then, the gun has to be forced into his hand by the villain Drax?
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Re: Quantum of Solace
« Reply #80 on: March 28, 2009, 11:29:57 AM »
Great write up Khush. I enjoyed it. While I can't talk Bond for hours I could probably listen to everything that has to be said for that long. I need some more serious watching of Bond (hard to get with 3 little girls running around).

I find it weird to think of these last two films as a start over for the series. My whole life I grew up watching Bond and understanding that another actor steps in to play the part, but it still felt like there was some continuity or something running in the back. Though thats been dismantled with the loss of the original M and Q and Money Penny. To have Judi Dench stay in as M after being M in the other films feels a little backwards, like Bond is the only one going back to his roots while the rest of the world is where they've always been.

Which brings up another weird thing of bringing more story focus on M than before Judi was brought in. Before, M was like the father figure, always knowing what James is up to but being coy about it, only coming out to issue some orders or some official business. Judi's character doesn't come across as the opposite motherly figure. Seems she continually forces Bond to prove himself to her, until its convenient for her to trust him.

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Ok, I guess I can talk for a bit. I gotta stop. I'll have to check out that blog.

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Re: Quantum of Solace
« Reply #81 on: March 28, 2009, 02:36:59 PM »
My dislike of Die Another Day was that it felt far too american, for what is ultimately a british franchise. Heaven forbid an american remake of doctor who. The way it was toned back down into Casino Royale was the big red reset button i was hoping for. Quantum of Solace felt more bare-knuckled grunt and raw and who ruined my mantan? in the same vein.

Interestingly, the director declined going back a THIRD time because he admitted he wanted to make it "darker still". Personally i would have loved this because darker things over the lighter/fluffier and almost military-styled predecessors, and would have made a fresh change (Stargate Universe, i'm looking at you).

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« Reply #82 on: March 31, 2009, 04:04:04 PM »
Plus, he kills Bond's wife. The greatest blow to Bond ever.

What about the other time they killed Bond's wife?
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« Reply #83 on: March 31, 2009, 04:19:39 PM »
Bond's only been married once. When you marry Diana Rigg, no one else can compare.
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« Reply #84 on: March 31, 2009, 05:20:44 PM »
****--you're right.  I somehow overlooked we were talking about the same movie!

I guess I never realized the Lazenby film was that early in the series.  For some reason I thought he came between Moore and Dalton.
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