Author Topic: Eternal Darkness 2 Marketing Tactic: Reasons (Read 37192 times)

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #225 on:** May 18, 2004, 10:18:18 AM »

Reggie's going to....

odifiend · « **Reply #226 on:** May 18, 2004, 11:21:14 AM »

Take names or kick ass, maybe?
Man, tell us what is going on. Dyack seen walking to a Nintendo meeting? So very peculiar. Still it sounds like when they left the did so on good terms.
I want my official announcement! Do they do official announcements if a relationship doesn't change?

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #227 on:** May 18, 2004, 11:39:59 AM »

Maybe Mr. Dyack IS Reggie?!

*o*

ruby_onix · « **Reply #228 on:** May 18, 2004, 01:51:16 PM »

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Did SK get mentioned at E3?

Not significantly. All we got was IGN's interview with Perrin Kaplan (which was just mentioned a page back).

It has two questions, and each has something to contribute.

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IGN: What happened to Silicon Knights?

Perrin Kaplan: They are going to continue the business of what they do. We respect the work that they have done. They are a really, really good team. I just think Nintendo and Silicon Knights have slightly different priorities, which does happen in business quite frequently. But we have a lot of mutual respect for each other.

This suggests that yes, something did happen to the SK/Nintendo relationship, and that Perrin is of the opinion that it had to do with "slightly different priorities".

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IGN: We just bumped into Denis Dyack, president of Silicon Knights, as he was on his way into a Nintendo meeting. So what kind of plot are you hatching?

Perrin Kaplan: There is nothing that precludes us from having a relationship. I mean, they may make a product for DS or otherwise. But it's just purely as a second-party -- that part of the relationship has changed.

IGN's question here and Perrin's first two sentences suggest that Denis Dyack attended some sort of secret meeting (don't you just love how they always hold the "secret meetings" just outside of the earshot of several thousand reporters?) with Nintendo that may have been about the NDS, which may or may not indicate that SK has plans for the NDS (which is more than we know about anything else that they might be working on, for any console.

Perrin's third sentence of that second question seems to make no grammatical sense, and suggests that SK has become a second party. That could be some sort of typo on IGN's part. Or it could be a slip-up from Perrin. Or it could be some sort of deliberate misdirection from Perrin. Or it could be that SK has become a second party to Konami, or at least someone willing to make games for a Nintendo handheld, like Microsoft.

(But Perrin's third sentence suggests again that something DID change.)

SatansNemesis · « **Reply #229 on:** May 18, 2004, 02:02:12 PM »

If you look at that scentence it does make a little sence, the only part of their relationship that changed is that sk is now 3rd party. This implies that they are still working together. It would be like rare going 3rd party and still making games for gamecube instread of being bought by M$. Maybe they wanted to get on w/ making Too Human now and then they will work on other 'special' nintendo projects once their big pet project is out of the way?

Mannypon · « **Reply #230 on:** May 18, 2004, 02:29:35 PM »

the last sentence doesnt really say much besides that the status of their 2nd party has changed. Doesnt say its changed to 3rd party in no way, thats just implying. They couldve changed to first party or are technically third party till another contract is written up, or some type of agreement wit konami, who knows. You cant really tell what exactly has happened fromt he last sentence except that somethin has changed with thier status.

ruby_onix · « **Reply #231 on:** May 18, 2004, 03:14:06 PM »

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If you look at that scentence it does make a little sence...

How? It's just... laid out wrong. The only way to make it make sense, is to start changing words around in it. At which point it's amazingly easy to make it say practically anything.

Actually, looking at it deeper, I think I see how it could work, with just some extra punctuation marks. Like:

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Perrin Kaplan: There is nothing that precludes us from having a relationship. I mean, they may make a product for DS or otherwise. But... "it's just purely as a second-party?" -- that part of the relationship has changed.

Something like that might work. But it still doesn't tell us very much.

odifiend · « **Reply #232 on:** May 18, 2004, 03:24:46 PM »

I think the "enhanced" quote (^) is what Kaplan meant to say. We have to remember they're oral, unrehearsed interviews, so sentence transitions are not as smooth as they could be.
Kaplan has pretty much just reenforced what was leeked before E3:
1) Relationship changed (more specifically SK isn't 2nd party anymore)
2) they still might make games for nintendo, though she did instill more confidence for me that Dennis wasn't just saying that to be polite- it sounded like the "yeah, i'll totally call you back," of the video game world.
Still no real answers.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #233 on:** May 18, 2004, 09:12:05 PM »

Ruby: I doubt that "enhancement" unless she was speaking japanese and IGN ran it through Babelfish.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #234 on:** May 18, 2004, 09:28:43 PM »

The Great Babelfish should be a boss in the next Zelda.

Gremio · « **Reply #235 on:** May 19, 2004, 01:42:53 AM »

Maybe she means they really are 2nd party but now not directly attched to Nintendo and so free to do a collaberation with another company (Konami). Konami being 3rd party would have the option of porting SK's games to other consoles. Just a thought. I remember reading something somewhere that there was some restructuring going on in Nintendo... something about Miyamoto not being hands on enough because his talent was being spread too thin over too many games so now he's working with strictly 1st party games only. I wish I could find that article. Maybe she meant it in that context? -that Nintendo will no longer be able to help Silicon Knights hands on with their game projects so they've gone to Konami for help with their projects (since they are a relatively small company and wouldn't be able to finance their games on their own considering how cinematic Eternal Darkness was).

I have no idea.

Edit: edited for clarity (hopefully). Not making much sense tonight, methinks.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #236 on:** May 19, 2004, 07:17:57 AM »

"that Nintendo will no longer be able to help Silicon Knights hands on with their game projects so they've gone to Konami for help with their projects (since they are a relatively small company and wouldn't be able to finance their games on their own considering how cinematic Eternal Darkness was)."

Just because Miyamoto can't help them doesn't mean that Nintendo the company can't. They still could fund SK's projects so it's not like SK would need to search for another publisher in that scenario.

BlackGriffen · « **Reply #237 on:** May 19, 2004, 07:25:51 AM »

Have any of you considered that this may have been a negotiating tactic? Whether to pump up their value to Nintendo, or to some other interested party (publisher or purchaser), it's in SK's best interest to drum up a supportive reaction. Not to mention that said prospective backer may have wanted proof of SK's worth, since their sales figures and productivity obviously aren't spectacular. Thus, a show of fan base coupled with high reviews for games are where SK's value lies.

As for the disagreement, I'd bet I know where that lies, too. Denis and crew probably wanted to go in certain mature directions with Too Human or some other title that Nintendo, though willing to let others publish, is still not comfortable putting its relatively family friendly brand upon. That's right, if Dyack wanted to explore sexual themes in ED2 or TH, I don't think Nintendo would want their name on it directly. Blasphemous/controversial religious content may supplement that as well (more doubtful, considering ED).

If this is true, then I think that Nintendo is making a mistake. Instead of trying to keep the Nintendo brand holy, Nintendo should be making a "sub-brand." The readiest analogy that comes to my mind is Disney (kid friendly parent company) and Touchstone (mature content owned by Disney).

Now that I think about it, that, too, may have been the point of contention. Nintendo may have wanted to "expand" SK's brand for use by other Nintendo publishing houses, rather than attempting to build one from scratch (ignoring the obvious choice of the wholly owned brand "Retro Studios" for a moment). Perhaps some deal where SK publishes the work in name. SK, protective of its name, refuses, and their ways part somewhat. This option seems a little more far fetched, though.

We'll see, though.

BlackGriffen

KDR_11k · « **Reply #238 on:** May 19, 2004, 07:40:43 AM »

As a japanese company Nintendo is probably more open towards sexual content (well, not excessive, that is) and "blasphemy" than violence. Only in the US people accept graphic violence while rejecting even partial nudity (proof: Singles, a Sims clone, got rated AO while Manhunt got an M rating. Any questions?).

On the other hand, does a dev house using Nintendo as a publisher count as a second party? Many devs, even large ones like Namco, get published by Nintendo.

Shadow Fox · « **Reply #239 on:** May 19, 2004, 05:55:14 PM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
On the other hand, does a dev house using Nintendo as a publisher count as a second party? Many devs, even large ones like Namco, get published by Nintendo.

In many cases, that would make developers like Treasure technically "second party".

Unlikely though; as that developer has worked for Capcom, Take-Two, Atari, and even Viacom in the past.

-Official Ninja of PGC

WesDawg · « **Reply #240 on:** May 19, 2004, 07:39:18 PM »

I don't think Ninty would have any trouble publishing a game with sexual content. I doubt they'd make one in house themselves, but they haven't for a long time said anything that would make you think they find sexual content in games evil. I doubt they'd publish a porn game or anything, but tasteful things that help tell a good story, I could see them going along with that. Mature games that are actually mature are completely different than mature games that are made to sell to horny 13 year olds.

The Omen · « **Reply #241 on:** May 20, 2004, 02:55:38 AM »

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Have any of you considered that this may have been a negotiating tactic?

Yes. I did. Its around this thread or another somewhere.

Gremio · « **Reply #242 on:** May 24, 2004, 03:05:53 AM »

Well, I suppose this means they really are 3rd party and not really inclined to make games for Nintendo anymore:

http://the-magicbox.com/gaming.htm

Mario · « **Reply #243 on:** May 24, 2004, 03:17:07 AM »

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Silicon Knights is working on a new Xbox title, which will be officially announced in summer 2004.

OMGWTF

Hybrid Hunter · « **Reply #244 on:** May 24, 2004, 03:23:56 AM »

Xbox title!?!!?
My thoughts similiarly Mario!
I guess we can only hope that its going to be on Gamecube too.

Gremio · « **Reply #245 on:** May 24, 2004, 03:52:07 AM »

If it's the game I think it is (Too Human) and it is exclusive, looks like I'll have no choice but to buy an Xbox because of one freaking game.... and that makes 3 games total on the Xbox now that I'm actually interested in. Panzer Dragoon Orta, GUNVALKYRIE, and possibly the SK mystery game(?). Not bashing - I just do not care for most of the games on Xbox because the games aren't to my liking and I have a right to that opinion. I've just really been feeling pissed off this generation. First SEGA goes under, now there's 3 platforms with games split between the three of them and a slew of multi-platform titles that are very popular, a phenomena which, before this generation I'd never seen before.

Sometimes I feel like giving up on gaming completely and just sticking with playing my old systems. I could probably hunt down a lot of games I never got into for my SNES and Saturn. A lot less headache. Ticks me off.

anubis6789 · « **Reply #246 on:** May 24, 2004, 05:46:45 AM »

Hey guys, its early in the day and Magic Box is the only site reporting this. I don't mean to give anyone false hope or anything but if no "big" sites report on this by day end then its just another thing that the Magic Box has reported on that isn't all true. Keep in mind that they said last week that the newest issue of Famitsu said that Sega announced that Phantasy Star Universe was coming out for the PS2, something no other site has even mentioned, which I think is odd.

I still think that the Magic Box is a mostly reliable news site and I check them everyday, its just that I know not everything I read there is true.

Again I want reiterate that while this may be true, I think everone should see if anyother sites report this before you believe this.

ruby_onix · « **Reply #247 on:** May 24, 2004, 02:23:15 PM »

The apparent source of the SK-XBox rumor:

IGN XBox's "Off The Record"

Ian Sane · « **Reply #248 on:** May 24, 2004, 06:15:38 PM »

"If it's the game I think it is (Too Human) and it is exclusive, looks like I'll have no choice but to buy an Xbox because of one freaking game"

The hell with that idea. Two of the main reasons I bought a Gamecube were Rare and Silicon Knights. If MS has now bought away BOTH of them I'm not going to give them the satisfaction of f*cking me over. Obviously the strategy is partially to use these developers to lure over Cube owners. I'm not going to fall for that and I don't care if I miss out on a few games. I bought a Cube expecting exclusive games from both of those developers and if they're going to "alter the deal" on me I'm not going to go along with it. I didn't buy an Xbox for Rare (even though Conker is looking really tempting) and I won't buy one for Silicon Knights either.

To me switching sides midway through a generation is a royal screwjob on the fans. It's not fair to expect us to buy another console after assuring us that one was all we needed.

Rich · « **Reply #249 on:** May 24, 2004, 06:32:27 PM »

I don't think this has any truth to it. IgnXbox is just speculating and wishing, I mean what ever happened to RogueX. It didn't happen and we haven't seen any game for xbox from factor5 let alone the rogue squadron series. I personally don't believe it.

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