Topic: Disney & Sony make up!! Spider-Man back in the MCU!!!.... For now.

[BlackNMild2k1]

It's like there is an MCU trilogy curse.
There's always gotta be drama in #3 when it's the same director.

[ThePerm]

well everything I look at says Marvel has the TV rights so....

Chances are Marvel, Tom Holland, and Sony are sorting out how to get Tom Holland's Spider-man into a TV show. The big thing to iron out is how to get Spider-man to cross over into Marvel movies Hulk style. If Marvel can have Spider-man in TV shows then they can keep making Spider-man movies as TV shows. We might transition into an all TV format though.

[Stratos]

https://www.superherohype.com/movies/463659-tom-holland-and-kevin-feige-address-spider-mans-mcu-exit

Seems pretty definite at this stage based on Holland and Feige.

In my mind, everything going on right now is posturing from each side to garner public favor and someone will eventually break and offer an alternative that makes everyone (kinda) happy.

[Shorty McNostril]

https://isspidermanbackinthemcuyet.com/

[BlackNMild2k1]

LOL

[nickmitch]

#FactsTho

[BlackNMild2k1]

Anyone interested in reading the Marvel-Sony Spider-Man contract?
https://wikileaks.org/sony/docs/07/junderwood/1%20Corp%20Dev/Spiderman/Executive%20Summary%20of%20All%20Deal%20Points/Executive%20Summary%20%28Creative%29.pdf

it's a long one....

[UncleBob]

Should be noted, that's the second revision, prior to the agreement that allowed Marvel/Disney to use Spider-Man.

[BlackNMild2k1]

well everything I look at says Marvel has the TV rights so....

Chances are Marvel, Tom Holland, and Sony are sorting out how to get Tom Holland's Spider-man into a TV show. The big thing to iron out is how to get Spider-man to cross over into Marvel movies Hulk style. If Marvel can have Spider-man in TV shows then they can keep making Spider-man movies as TV shows. We might transition into an all TV format though.

Anyone interested in reading the Marvel-Sony Spider-Man contract?
https://wikileaks.org/sony/docs/07/junderwood/1%20Corp%20Dev/Spiderman/Executive%20Summary%20of%20All%20Deal%20Points/Executive%20Summary%20%28Creative%29.pdf

it's a long one....

RIGHTS: SPE has the exclusive right to utilize the “Spider-Man” character and the other
Creative Elements listed in Paragraph 1 above to (a) develop and produce live action or
animated theatrical motion pictures (each, a “Picture”) and live-action television series
(and also animated television series with episodes longer than 44 minutes), during the
Production Term, and (b) distribute, advertise and otherwise exploit in perpetuity any
motion picture or television series that commenced production during the Production Term

According to there, Disney has rights to animation that is less than 44 minutes long (basically hour long tv programming w/ commercials included)

Should be noted, that's the second revision, prior to the agreement that allowed Marvel/Disney to use Spider-Man.

is there a newer one leaked anywhere?

I'd be interested in skimming it for a few points of interest.

[UncleBob]

I've not seen the newer one.  I think that's the revised one after they turned product licensing back to Marvel.

[BlackNMild2k1]

I just want to post a rumor that's been laying around for about a week now.
No specific source, and I'm not sure if ti's credible, but posting it for possible discussion reasons.

Everyone know how everyone is getting into the streaming game. Part of the reason for the FOX acquisition by Disney for Disney+.
NBC has "Peacock", Apple has ApplePlus/+ or whatever it's called.....

Well the rumor was that Amazon was really pushing to purchase Sony Pictures and Animation studios to bolster Amazon Prime with more original content. Apparently Sony denied trying to sell, and that supposed deal never happened.

Then Disney being all cozy with Apple, who is dropping Apple+, and who happens to need more studios to make more original content. Has perhaps talked Apple into acquiring Sony Pictures and Animation studios to give Apple plus an actual back catalog of content for their streaming service. And in the process of this, would revert Spider-Man rights back to Disney.

This was supposedly the reason Disney came on strong for co-financing for Spidey related films that touch the MCU. They figured they either profit now, or they hold out a year or two and make all the profit later.

Now I didn't really give this rumor all that much thought until yesterday when I saw a story about how Bob Iger stated that "If Jobs hadn't died, Disney probably would've merged with Apple."

and that made me think that maybe their cooperation lies much deeper than pleasantries at the surface would lead you to believe. I mean they do have connection through Pixar and those have only spread through DAS, the special effects studio and beyond at this point.

Anyone think there could be a little truth to this speculative rumor?

tl;dr
Disney uses relationship with Apple, and Apple's need for content for streaming service, to persuade Apple into buying Sony Pictures so that Spider-Man rights revert back to Marvel Studios for FREE.

[Spak-Spang]

I think that is far fetched. It would mean Sony would need to sell to Apple and regulators would need to allow it. That seems too risky.

[Adrock]

I watched a video that addressed the Apple/Sony rumor. Apparently, it started last year when Variety made a prediction that Apple would buy Sony Pictures because it needs content for AppleTV+. It was merely a prediction, not insider reporting. As far as I can tell, there’s no evidence backing the rumor. Now, it wouldn’t surprise me to see Apple shop around. The streaming video market is crowded and only getting more competitive. And honestly, this would be the most ideal scenario for Disney. It would get Spider-Man back from free and kick everyone’s ass in the market anyway because of how rich its portfolio is.

I think that is far fetched. It would mean Sony would need to sell to Apple and regulators would need to allow it. That seems too risky.

I’d be inclined to agree had Comcast not bought NBC Universal, AT&T not merged with TimeWarner, and especially Disney not bought Fox.

[ThePerm]

Also it's Sony Pictures, not the whole company. Sony Pictures is like the smallest of the top studios. I think Sony is worth about 9-14 billion. They're worth less if they sell because the can't keep Spider-man. I'm sure Sony would love to make 9 or so billion dollars one year though. The most they're going to make from movies in 2020 is maybe 2 billion. They don't have much going on next year besides Morbius, and Ghostbusters. They have a whole lot of untitled/under developed vapor stuff in the future.

[nickmitch]

I think that is far fetched. It would mean Sony would need to sell to Apple and regulators would need to allow it. That seems too risky.

I’d be inclined to agree had Comcast not bought NBC Universal, AT&T not merged with TimeWarner, and especially Disney not bought Fox.

The only major block in recent memory was AT&T/T-Mobile, IIRC.  But that was a while ago.  The current admin (please don't ban me) seems more lax than usual on the anti-trust side.

[BlackNMild2k1]

See Disney, this is what we when you fight with Sony.... no one asked for this. No one wants this....
now march you ass back to the table and fight for what is yours. or just write the damn check already. c'mon!!!!

Sony get the writers of Morbius (and Gods of Egypt*) to write the script for "Madame Web"
http://collider.com/madame-web-movie-sets-morbius-writers/

The Venomverse is expanding quickly. Somebody please save Holland!!! He deserves better.


* and Dracula Untold, and The Last Witch Hunter.... Venomverse is in good hands, very capable hands, over seen by Sony...... :/

[Adrock]

See Disney, this is what we when you fight with Sony.... no one asked for this. No one wants this....
now march you ass back to the table and fight for what is yours. or just write the damn check already. c'mon!!!!

I was under the impression that Disney/Marvel wants to buy the rights back except Sony won’t sell and has rebuffed several attempts by Disney/Marvel to do so. Disney/Marvel then “settled” for the character-sharing deal which wasn’t that great deal for them anyway.

The MCU is better narratively with but doesn’t need Spider-Man. Marvel proved this for years. It took a bunch of fucking nobodies with The Hulk and made The Avengers. It took even more nobodies, hired the guy who made the PG Porn web series, and made a better Star Wars than Lucasfilm had since 1983. The list goes on.

[Stratos]

https://io9.gizmodo.com/sony-and-marvel-strike-new-deal-to-keep-spider-man-in-t-1838527425

So new deal has been made. Reading it now.

According to reports, as part of the deal, Marvel Studios’ Kevin Feige will produce the film alongside Sony’s Amy Pascal, which has currently been given a July 16, 2021 release date. The deal will also allow Tom Holland’s iteration of Peter Parker to appear in future films in both Sony’s fledgling spider-verse of potential movies and Disney’s Marvel Cinematic Universe

...

The prior deal between the studios saw Disney take approximately 5% of the box office earnings for both films in the Homecoming reboot series, directed by Jon Watts, with new claims alleging that this revived deal will now see the megacorporation take approximately 25%

[broodwars]

Good, now all the 30 year old nan-children shrieking like 5 year olds that Spidey wouldn't be in yet another spectacularly-mediocre MCU Iron Man film can calm down now. Seriously, the way people were pouting over this was ridiculous, and a 25% revenue share to Disney is reasonable.

And Captain Marvel has her sidekick again. 

[UncleBob]

At this point, you're just trolling for the sake of trolling.

[Adrock]

Well, that was fast.

Good, now all the 30 year old nan-children shrieking like 5 year olds that Spidey wouldn't be in yet another spectacularly-mediocre MCU Iron Man film can calm down now. Seriously, the way people were pouting over this was ridiculous, and a 25% revenue share to Disney is reasonable.

Also, now all the 30-something man-children who can’t stop discussing movies and IPs they claim to despise can...... continue discussing movies and IPs they claim to despise. Well, carry on then.

[broodwars]

At this point, you're just trolling for the sake of trolling.

I have no patience for the levels of outright screaming & petulant whining I saw across the internet when it was originally reported that Spidey was leaving the MCU. Not an end to Spidey fikms altogether, jist the Spidey would no longer be the MCU's Anazing Friend. You'd think that Disney had made a shitty Star Wars movie, only pettier. It was like watching the Final Fantasy 7 fanbase all over again: they're already the company's favorite children, pandered to quite often. But one thing goes against their wishes, and they lose their minds.

[Adrock]

I have no patience for the levels of outright screaming & petulant whining I saw across the internet

This is funny coming from you.

[broodwars]

I have no patience for the levels of outright screaming & petulant whining I saw across the internet

This is funny coming from you.

Indeed, but I'd like to think I've mellowed a bit over the years. I'm now just largely indifferent to the actions of soul-less corporations with no artistic integrity instead of frothingly angry. 

[BlackNMild2k1]

I guess they heard my (and everyone elses plees).
I had also typed out a pretty passive argument for why the share deal works in Sony's favor. I don't remember if I actually posted it here though...