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TalkBack / Re: Wii U Sells 57K Units in January
« on: February 22, 2013, 06:03:15 PM »
I don't understand how the fact that we knew the economy was bad before the system came out somehow means it can't have been the factor in how it's sold so far. The Wii U technically has the most expensive games, in the sense that no one prices them higher, but they are the same as every other non-handheld platform. You're also technically right that no one put a gun to Nintendo's collective heads and forced them to make the system they did, but they didn't have much practical choice but to do what they did, except maybe to design something more expensive.
IN your last statement, you say that the Nintendo could have made the Wii U or a more expensive console.  I don't agree with that statement and, after the success of the Wii, which had less expensive games and was a less expensive console, a cheaper system should definitely have been something worth considering (and perhaps pursuing) given the known economic situation.  I think it's far more honest to say that Wii U games have to compete with handheld games/smart device games/netflix/life and the time investment/consumer dollars for those things than it is to say that the Wii U is only in competition with PS3 and XB360--Nintendo has even stated this, too (a few times in the last couple of years, actually).  So to say that the Wii U has the most expensive games is not only "technically accurate" it also speaks more truthfully to the real-life economic environment that the Wii U exists in.  It's far less meaningful to say that the Wii U games cost the same as *whatever very small segment of the market*--I'd say that looking at things only from THAT vantage IS misleading.

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TalkBack / Re: Wii U Sells 57K Units in January
« on: February 22, 2013, 05:17:44 PM »
Dare I ask:  how is stating that the Wii U is the most expensive console with the most expensive games misleading while being "technically accurate"?  What point am I trying to mislead people to? 


I stated that economic factors were already established when the Wii U launched so it shouldn't be cited as a reason the system isn't selling more.  I don't know how this became such a controversial idea when many other people in the thread seemed to agree with the overall point, before I said any of my "technically accurate" statements (also know as facts).


I don't really care what you think about my behavior.  I wrote a general dismissive quip to a few people being hostile and ignorant.  If I came out of the gate with the attitude that ceric, tj, oblivion, or louie have, I could see you being upset.  I didn't.  My initial post and responses are far more civil than anything they've written in response to me by a wide margin.

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TalkBack / Re: Wii U Sells 57K Units in January
« on: February 22, 2013, 04:04:07 PM »
If you don't think calling people illiterate is insulting them, you're the one who's ignorant. Cut out the personal insults.
I'm not being ignorant, I'm pointing out illiteracy where I see it.  Feel free to disagree with my harsh, but ultimately accurate assessment.  It's not insulting to say that some people here can't respond in any sort of coherent, measured, or rational fashion--it's obviously true.

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TalkBack / Re: Wii U Sells 57K Units in January
« on: February 22, 2013, 10:56:44 AM »
Heckled by the illiterates.  oh well.


Life pro tip: In a debate, it's a good idea not to insult the intelligence of the opposing side, since it makes you look like a complete asshole.


And by the way, they can't price it whatever they want. They are a business, designed to make money. They want a profit, they deserve it. It's called capatalism, it's what our world is funded by. Get the **** over it. And you honestly believe that a completely new system, not produced in the most efficeint way possible yet (considering it IS a new system) shou;d be sold equal to or less than systems that have been out for a very long time and have had time to streamline production? Come on, dude.
again?  I suggest reading.  I'm not insulting anyone.  I'm merely observing the fact that reading comprehension is a skill that is sorely underdeveloped here.  It's concerning, really, that I can write a 100% true statement like the Wii U is selling the most expensive software and people here deny  it and take offense to that 100% true statement.


Your little rant is cute and makes me realize that not only can you not read very well, you actually have no understanding of business or capitalism.  You seem like a very angry, very ignorant person.  Maybe you should "pro life tip" yourself some humility and decency before you accuse me of being an asshole, dude.

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TalkBack / Re: Watch_Dogs Confirmed for Wii U
« on: February 22, 2013, 01:05:04 AM »
This is definitely the "big game" i'm most intrigued by.  Last years demo definitely pinged my Deus Ex antenna.

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TalkBack / Re: Wii U Sells 57K Units in January
« on: February 22, 2013, 12:55:40 AM »
Heckled by the illiterates.  oh well.

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TalkBack / Re: Wii U Sells 57K Units in January
« on: February 20, 2013, 07:19:18 PM »
marty, you are just wrong.

First, look at the Xbox 360. When it launched it was by far the most expensive system (it was at least $100 more than the next most expensive console and games were $10 more than any other system), but it still sold really well. It's delusional to think a new system should be the same price or less than 6/7 year old systems. And game prices are not gonna go down, on any platform. At most you can expect game prices to stay the same. It's silly and unrealistic to think the console was gonna be the same price or less than Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3, and Nintendo doesn't control how much third party publishers charge for games. So you are wrong.
where did i write about anything that you are replying to?  certainly not in this thread.


I'm not wrong.  Nintendo could have made any console and priced it however they wanted.  This is 100% RIGHT.  THere is zero wrong with that statement.  Nintendo didn't have to make the Wii U.  THis is again, 100% right.  Nintendo didn't have to release the Wii U.  This is 100% right.  I'm saying the depression/recession is not a new factor that surprised Nintendo so it shouldn't be used as an excuse of why the Wii U isn't selling.

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TalkBack / Re: Wii U Sells 57K Units in January
« on: February 20, 2013, 06:23:14 PM »
@ceric


I really don't even get what point you're trying to make... or even if you're trying to make a point at all. 


$60 is what new ps3, xb360, and Wii U games cost... all other games on every other platform are less expensive.  Why do you have a hard time understanding that Wii U games are the most expensive?  Parity with the most expensive games doesn't make you not the most expensive--it makes you the most expensive.


Nintendo decided to release the most expensive console available.  They didn't have to.  If you can't follow those two sentences, slap your parent/guardian/teacher/rabbi/etc.  Someone aught to have taught you how to follow two sentences by now.


Consumers buy things based on value.  PERIOD.  If the Wii U isn't selling, it's because it's perceived value is lower than the cost to the consumer.  This is very basic microeconomics.

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TalkBack / Re: Wii U Sells 57K Units in January
« on: February 20, 2013, 05:00:29 PM »
Wii U doesn't have the most expensive games.  Their the same cost as the 360, PS3, and PC.  By default any new hardware is going to be more expensive then 6-7 year old Hardware. 

Back to if you can't afford a $350 console you need to take a hard look at your financials and identify where your money is going and if this is more important.  The price point is not the barrier here.  Its the lack of games and general hardware problems. Period.
What's being priced higher than Wii U games?  Nothing I can think of--hence most expensive games.  newest=pricier is simply untrue.  The idea that Nintendo had to have the most expensive console currently on the market is just wrong.  The Wii U could have been anything else and priced accordingly, for the economic situation--instead, Nintendo went a different way and their sales reflect that.


I doubt anyone would argue that $350 is unaffordable to anyone used to paying for their own videogames.  The problem with the price tag is that the Wii U isn't worth $350 to most people.  It's not even worth $300 to most people.  The value of the system has to increase before it stops looking over-priced.

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TalkBack / Re: Wii U Sells 57K Units in January
« on: February 20, 2013, 02:35:47 PM »
Demand for a PS2 successor was there ...
I think the idea that people want to buy a new console is flat out wrong.  I cannot think of a single system that sold well without a strong selling library.  Consumer demand for hardware exists only because consumer demand for more games exists.  There wasn't pessimism about a new PS console--people were actually excited about it--but that shouldn't be mistaken for demand (much like the 3ds).


Citing economic factors as a reason for the Wii U sales figures (or any game console, at this point) doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  Nintendo didn't have to make the most expensive console with the most expensive controller with the most expensive games (none of which are particularly earth moving) and try to sell it at a loss in a recession/post depression economic environment.  They could have made something else (or actually put out good Wii games instead of starving that console).  It's not like Nintendo had a ton of Wii U ready games that were going to be smash hits and they needed to get out a system that could play them.  Consoles and their price points are the barrier between consumer and games.  Until the games are there, most people aren't going to care about getting over the barrier.

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TalkBack / Re: Renegade Kid Bringing New FPS Title to 3DS eShop
« on: January 14, 2013, 06:06:41 PM »
I think the IGN guys revealed that Moon sold really, really poorly--something like <5k after its first month.  I wonder what the ltd numbers are but I'm guessing not enough to warrant a sequel.  Whatever.   Hopefully RK catches a break with their next one.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Wii U console freezing up
« on: November 23, 2012, 07:30:39 PM »
Wasn't an asshole to Luigi dude - just don't understand the idea of waiting months *just* because of the remote chance of hardware failure.  If you want to wait for a price drop, wait to see if there are more games or just wait because you have a backlog and aren't in a hurry, that's all good.  But waiting months so you don't have to wait through a few reboots?
Dude said he didn't want to get a launch system until all the kinks are worked out.  No harm in that, that I can see.  If you think that that's his *only* reason, which was never stated, perhaps go about gathering more information in a respectful manner, next time.  Calling the guy out like he's an idiot didn't sit right with me, for sure.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Wii U console freezing up
« on: November 23, 2012, 03:36:34 PM »

@fatty, I contribute to the forum regularly and sometimes the lack of civility here effects how courteous I am in my writing.  I'm not here to make enemies and I generally like reading a lot of people's posts.  There's some stupidity and ugliness here, most of which I don't really engage in, but sometimes, i just react to it in an off the cuff manner that some people might take offense to.  Sorry if my response to the ugliness directed at me gets ugly and makes your time here less enjoyable.

@cat, I don't know if you're being curious or passive aggressive.  Just kidding.  I hope being curious works out for you.


@ubob, I hope you feel good about yourself for being an asshole to me for calling you out on being an asshole to luigi dude.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Wii U console freezing up
« on: November 23, 2012, 10:58:22 AM »
Wow marty, you're really shitting on this thread. This is the kind of crap we try to avoid here.
you got me all wrong, mistah.  I'm being nice to unkybobo even though he seems to have a problem with... well, a lot of things... almost. all. the. time. 


pray for poor unkybobo, he needs it.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Wii U console freezing up
« on: November 23, 2012, 10:11:20 AM »
"likely"?
seeing how common freezes are on day 1, i'd hardly call that unlikely.  what's so hard for you to understand? everything?

Can you provide me with a percentage of the total number of times people played their Wii on Day 1 vs. the total number of times people experienced a freezing of their console on Day 1?

I know I booted my console several times (after sooo... many... downloads....) and didn't get a single crash on Day 1.  So, right now we have Zero crashes out of, what, five boots?

We're at zero percent.

There, I gave you one freebie.  Now you do the leg work, go ask every other person who bought one Day 1 and come back with some actual stats to back up your claim if you want to throw it out as fact and insult people who question your claims.
Oh you're so RIGHT, the WII U is far more likely to fail once the manufacturing process and firmware are improved.  YOU ARE SO SMART, DUDE.  such a genius to have figured that out.  go write a paper on it.  Also, in your apparent brilliance, you have discovered that the Wii U will appreciate in worth and that buying one now is a sound investment, because there's no way a piece of consumer electronics will rapidly decline in price.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Wii U console freezing up
« on: November 22, 2012, 10:05:37 PM »
"likely"?
seeing how common freezes are on day 1, i'd hardly call that unlikely.  what's so hard for you to understand? everything?

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Wii U console freezing up
« on: November 22, 2012, 12:20:59 PM »
This is why I didn't buy the system at launch.  I don't care how good Nintendo's record has been, the launch consoles are always the most likely to have problems.

It's always best to wait a few months so all the problems at launch can be fixed by then.

So... because there's a risk of not being able to play your system for a few minutes while it reboots or a few days while you wait for a replacement, it's best to not be able to play the system for a few months while you wait to buy it?
Or it's worth your time and money to not buy things that are likely to be broken in 1 day, regardless of how easily replaced they are.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Wii U
« on: November 08, 2012, 12:52:17 PM »
It isn't an Fzero game?  It's an mini game found in Nintendoland which is primary an way to showcase the features of the WII U?
pretty much my point exactly.  looks like a crap way to get people interested in what an actual f zero game could be, or any good game, actually.  why make something that looks terrible and resembles nothing of the 'game' it's showcasing?

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Wii U
« on: November 08, 2012, 10:46:50 AM »
I am really disappointed about F Zero game using gyro.
that's the first footage of f zero i've seen.  Wow, stunningly terrible impression.  I can't believe how slow it runs.  I guess if you're forcing motion controls, you need to slow it down to the point where it doesn't even resemble an f zero game, which begs the question of why you wouldn't scrap motion controls and make a good game instead.  I don't know why they didn't just call it Mario Kart since it seems to be a mk clone rather than anything resembling F zero.  Items?  flat track?  plodding pace?  sounds nothing like an f zero game I have played nor would want to play.

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There's no technical reason why 2 wireless devices couldn't talk to each other if they're capable of transmitting and receiving.  Considering that both devices are made by the same company, performing the same or complimentary functions, not doing so at launch seems like a way to snuff out potential good uses early on. 

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Wii U
« on: October 24, 2012, 02:27:08 PM »
Apologies if this has already been posted, but apparently the Wii U is also going to be sold at a loss (initially).

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-24/nintendo-cuts-forecast-on-lower-demand-for-3ds-stronger-yen.html

Greedy Nintendo, overcharging for obsolete tech!
In before first person said they should have sold for more of a lost.

Seriously though I'm surprised because this is Nintendo.  I'm not surprised looking at the Tech and the Price.
I'm a big proponent of Nintendo selling hardware for a profit.


When a company is selling something at a loss, they are basically admitting that they are doing something that market does not want them to do, yet they are doing it anyway.  This is simply bad business. 

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Last Story sells...
« on: October 24, 2012, 01:39:29 PM »
Maybe, but they would have been released in a much healthier market and may have even helped market health if they were released in (financial year) 2010.  The Wii has been in a death spiral for almost 2 years, if you think 2 jrpgs are going to benefit from being released into that market, that's your right, I guess.  That doesn't make any sense, though.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Last Story sells...
« on: October 24, 2012, 01:19:02 PM »
I wonder how much better this game (or Xenoblade) would have sold had it been given a timely release. 

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Hopefully this means teams will be more permanent and more responsible for their games.  I believe it was a Shiggy interview a year or two ago where he stated Nintendo would constantly rearrange teams to keep things interesting... which apparently didn't work.  So many Nintendo's games seem to be pieced together which doesn't really make for a deep experience.  Maybe the restructure will bring back games with tighter focus and more coherence.

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How is it questionable to pay your own money to fund your own project?
It shows really bad money management.  The kickstarter cut and financial fees means your throwing away 10% of your pledge to recover money from a project that would have otherwise been a failure.  However much it costs you to clear your goal should have already been factored into the equation.  The larger the disparity between the goal and the backers, the more you are losing by backing yourself.


What PA did seems to violate ks policy to the letter (no fund my life projects), but I'd be shocked if ks forewent a big amount of cash just to follow their own rules.


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