Author Topic: GCN2 = "Revolution" (Read 35143 times)

KDR_11k · « **Reply #175 on:** January 23, 2005, 07:35:22 PM »

The HDDVD thing sucks and I hope it doesn't turn out true... But then it IS inferior to Bluray so it's going to become the standard (Law of Inverse Darwinism: The worst technology always becomes the standard, see x86, PS2, Windows, Gameboy, VHS, etc). And having the standard is always nice.

The two-processor stuff sounds like they're going to use those PPC970-thingies, which seem much better than those Cells to me. Less performance maybe but you can probably develop a game three times as fast on it and have significantly less bugs in the final version. I've read an article that interprets the Cell patent and what I read there sounded like a nightmare for any developer (no abstraction on a massively-multiprocessor system sounds like bugbait number one).

Ian Sane · « **Reply #176 on:** January 23, 2005, 08:45:33 PM »

"on another board someone translated the page this came from and said there was something about smell generators."

I can see the headlines now. "Nintendo's new Revolution STINKS." The irritating puns just write themselves.

"This week's question: Nintendo has indicated that it will launch Revolution against Sony's PS3, which is not expected to debut until 2006. Microsoft will allegedly release the successor to Xbox later this year. Why release the console against Sony's in 2006 and not against Microsoft's next in 2005? Do you foresee any drawbacks to releasing after Xbox 2?"

Well Sony is the market leader so they should be the focus. I think the main reason though is that NCL acts like Japan represents the entire world market and thus doesn't acknowledge Microsoft as any sort of threat. I think the important thing is to not launch last. That was a big problem with last gen. The PS2 got a huge head start. However launching at the same time as someone else is dumb too. The Cube launch lost a lot of hype because the Xbox launched around the same time and it had a better flagship title and way better marketing.

Right now I think the Xbox 2 has the better strategy. They're going to be the first next gen console which will get them some more exposure and they aren't directly competing with another launch. Sure they'll be technically inferior but that's not that big of a deal. The PS2 for example was not affected by that. The Revolution is going to be the odd man out in press coverage. The Xbox 2 will have games being reviewed and most of the preview hype will go to the PS3. The Revolution will be a footnote. "Oh yeah and Nintendo has a new console too."

Since Nintendo has set themselves to launch after the Xbox 2 already they can't really change it or they'll pull a Saturn and get creamed by launching early with few games. So I think their best bet is to launch right between the other two. If the Xbox 2 and PS3 launches are a year apart then the Revolution has to launch around the six month mark. And I'm talking about the American launches here. If they're too close to one of the other launches they'll be overshadowed. In Japan however they may just have to beat the PS3 by at least a few months.

norebonomis · « **Reply #177 on:** January 23, 2005, 09:01:55 PM »

both Microsoft and Apple have their codecs in Blu-ray as well as HD-DVD, so we know whichever wins the two Computer giants will win. The fate of blu-ray hd-dvd might very well depend of the consoles. in this case i think sony would end up carying blu-ray into the winner's circle. since i don't think nintendo is going to pull back in the lead with hype alone.

Caillan · « **Reply #178 on:** January 23, 2005, 09:30:45 PM »

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So I think their best bet is to launch right between the other two.

Yes. Unless the Revolution is something that will impress the mainstream media as well as content gamers, Nintendo will not get much attention at launch. The other possible 'Never Happening' would be a switch from Square-Enix and a FF launch title. This isn't as crazy as it sounds: SE develops game for the market leader, and if they had of released their PS2 games for the Cube instead in the past six months Nintendo would have consistently dominated the Japanese sales charts. The Don Quixote guy from GameSpy seems to think SE will attach itself to another developer soon, and Nnitnedo is apparently working closely with them for a DS wireless service. I realise Sony has shares in them, but Nintendo could buy a similar proportion before they have to go public about it.

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both Microsoft and Apple have their codecs in Blu-ray as well as HD-DVD, so we know whichever wins the two Computer giants will win.

There's only one computer giant in that psuedo-sentence.

Based on Nintendo's previous choices of media, I'm guessing they'll go with HD-DVD, despite Blu-Ray's obvious superiority in storage space and potantial. The PS3 will be using it and Nintendo will not be unfavourably compared to it. Can anyone produce approximate price comparisons between the two formats yet?

norebonomis · « **Reply #179 on:** January 23, 2005, 10:15:19 PM »

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There's only one computer giant in that psuedo-sentence.

opinion. o_0

Caillan · « **Reply #180 on:** January 23, 2005, 10:38:19 PM »

I mean in terms of market share. I prefer Apple's products to Microsoft's myself, but they only hold about 0.5% of the desktop market, making them unfortuantly irrelevant.

norebonomis · « **Reply #181 on:** January 23, 2005, 11:18:18 PM »

i was just about to post a rant about apple vs microsoft and then i remember this is a gamecube forum. haha. well your right to say that apple has a small percentage of market share but if you change the perspective a litttle.... ooh there i go again. you should pvt me and we can talk about why apple rulez and micsoft is going to die with the devil.

SgtShiversBen · « **Reply #182 on:** January 24, 2005, 04:24:02 AM »

It might be good for Nintendo to go with HD-DVD for their next one because in Japan, we all know that Microsoft doesn't have crap for a userbase over there. With Sony going with the Blue-Ray that'll leave just Nintendo's console with the only choice for HD-DVD/console player. If, for all purposes, hd does become the standard.

TMW · « **Reply #183 on:** January 24, 2005, 07:49:42 AM »

http://news.designtechnica.com/article6377.html

Apparently, the same guy who leaked the DS spec sheet (which was spot on, if I remember correctly) also leaked this info about the Revolution.

And, it's gone HD-DVD. Take that, Sony.

Backwards compatibility YES!

Savior · « **Reply #184 on:** January 24, 2005, 12:11:50 PM »

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The PS2 for example was not affected by that. The

but the expectation of the PS2 stole alot of potential Sega Dreamcast buyers... the same thing could happen again... Being First doesnt always work. Being the best does. What will Microsoft use as their sales pitch? Alot of the first couple of months was This is the most powerfull system... Now the System will be the weakest. It might not have a HD, Its Graphics will look worse than the Revolutions. I see nothing positive. Especially since they wont have Halo for launch

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #185 on:** January 24, 2005, 02:21:38 PM »

Info from the guy who leaked DS Specs -

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Gaming Age Forums wrote:
There’s already been at least one dodgy “leak” before about the Revolution, but supposedly the same tipster who dished some reliable early dirt on the DS has also given up some details about Nintendo’s next-generation game console. Here’s what this guy is claiming:

* That Nintendo is building gyroscopes into the controllers, presumably to add some sort of motion-control aspect to games.
* The console will have dual processors and built-in broadband (we’re assuming Ethernet, but maybe also WiFi?).
* There are no plans to connect the DS to the Revolution, but there could be some integration with the Game Boy Evolution.
* The Revolution will have four controller ports, a hard drive, and support for high-resolution displays and Dolby Digital 5.1 channel surround sound.
* The console will be backwards-compatibility with GameCube games, and in what would only be a swipe at Sony, its drive will use HD-DVD, rather than Blu-ray, discs.
* The console will launch with a new Mario game (of course), and there is a new Zelda game in the works.
* There’s some teaser stuff at the end about how the truly “revolutionary” part of the new console is going to be something that “is nothing new technically speaking. It’s just something that hasn’t really been applied to video games before.” The tipster also claims that his source would only tell him that “touching is good but feeling is better.”

We’re not even going to front that this stuff is all for real or not—we simply won’t know for sure until Nintendo unveils this thing at E3.

odifiend · « **Reply #186 on:** January 24, 2005, 04:17:51 PM »

BlackNMild: I hope that post was a joke, because that same damn info has been posted about 5 times in this thread. This is the same franglish article that nemo posted, then i retranslated, then noreboromis posted, then TMW posted and now you're posting. Same anonymous DS source- please read the thread, guys.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #187 on:** January 24, 2005, 04:49:02 PM »

I didn't read back (too many post, I am @ work)

I posted it cause it was mentioned just above my last post,
and I know people hate when a posted link isn't clickable
so I just posted the info he was referring to.

RABicle · « **Reply #188 on:** January 24, 2005, 06:57:22 PM »

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I mean in terms of market share. I prefer Apple's products to Microsoft's myself, but they only hold about 0.5% of the desktop market, making them unfortuantly irrelevant.

Apple are the 4th largest computer manufactorer, (not counting iPod) they have about 7% desktop computer marketshare. And in terms of individual industries, some such as Education and Graphic Design they have a far larger chunk of the market.

Revolution should only come in one colour: Red. The colour of revolution.

Dasmos · « **Reply #189 on:** January 24, 2005, 07:05:30 PM »

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Revolution should only come in one colour: Red. The colour of revolution.

Yes a nice, what could only be described as a "Mario" red. That should add a bit o spice to anyones living room!

RABicle · « **Reply #190 on:** January 24, 2005, 07:13:31 PM »

Well i was thinking of communist red myself but they I guess they could claim that it's Mario red to hide the truth. That's like how everyone knows that in Advance Wars it's really the Red Star army, not the Orange Star one.

Dasmos · « **Reply #191 on:** January 24, 2005, 07:20:40 PM »

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Well i was thinking of communist red myself but they I guess they could claim that it's Mario red to hide the truth. That's like how everyone knows that in Advance Wars it's really the Red Star army, not the Orange Star one.

Seems you could be more right than you think................RED

Caillan · « **Reply #192 on:** January 24, 2005, 07:48:10 PM »

The 'inside source' that has been quoted sounds credible, but I think it's fake. Most of what they say is either partially confirmed already (e.g. broadband support and backwards compatability) or common sense (a Mario title is being developed etc.). Aside from the HD-DVD part, the rest is from rumourmongers like IGN.

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they have about 7% desktop computer marketshare. (sic) And in terms of individual industries, some such as Education and Graphic Design they have a far larger chunk of the market.

Okay, well my figures may have been dodgy (that was the lowest one I've heard), but the most common figure I've seen is 1.7%. I'm more sure of the fact that the major GNU/Linux ditributions now have a larger proportion of desktop 'sales', even though Apple are now using the kernel themselves.

In the education sector, they have been screwed by Microsoft's tactic of giving everybody who makes the decisions free products. In terms of graphic design as well movie and audio creation they are still dominant in terms of quality, though Linux is advancing faster than its competitors in most of those areas as well.

Ages · « **Reply #193 on:** January 24, 2005, 08:23:47 PM »

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Well i was thinking of communist red myself but they I guess they could claim that it's Mario red to hide the truth. That's like how everyone knows that in Advance Wars it's really the Red Star army, not the Orange Star one.

Seems you could be more right than you think................RED

heh, i was just thinking about that "Communist Mario" site, ya beat me to it

norebonomis · « **Reply #194 on:** January 25, 2005, 01:19:20 AM »

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Well i was thinking of communist red myself but they I guess they could claim that it's Mario red to hide the truth. That's like how everyone knows that in Advance Wars it's really the Red Star army, not the Orange Star one.

Seems you could be more right than you think................RED

heh, i was just thinking about that "Communist Mario" site, ya beat me to it

omg, mario games should all have flag switching. Super Mario Revolution: Multiplayer. Capture the Flag!!!

viva la revolution!

Chode2234 · « **Reply #195 on:** January 25, 2005, 08:22:20 AM »

I am still under the impression that MS and Nintendo will jointly release a console.

Especially since the components will be made by the same companies. I think it is in the works, mark my words... then flame me...

KDR_11k · « **Reply #196 on:** January 25, 2005, 09:44:14 AM »

The components for the GC were made by the same companies as those making the Mac, does that mean anything? MS merely saw that Nintendo made a lot of money despite being generally considered the losers of this generation so they imagined what would happen if they managed to make the same profits as Nintendo and come out top.

Procession · « **Reply #197 on:** January 25, 2005, 05:21:11 PM »

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Originally posted by: Caillan
The 'inside source' that has been quoted sounds credible, but I think it's fake. Most of what they say is either partially confirmed already (e.g. broadband support and backwards compatability) or common sense (a Mario title is being developed etc.). Aside from the HD-DVD part, the rest is from rumourmongers like IGN.

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they have about 7% desktop computer marketshare. (sic) And in terms of individual industries, some such as Education and Graphic Design they have a far larger chunk of the market.

Okay, well my figures may have been dodgy (that was the lowest one I've heard), but the most common figure I've seen is 1.7%. I'm more sure of the fact that the major GNU/Linux ditributions now have a larger proportion of desktop 'sales', even though Apple are now using the kernel themselves.

Apple doesn't use the Linux kernel. They use a sort of Mach and *BSD hybrid.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #198 on:** January 26, 2005, 12:44:27 AM »

what on earth would the Revolution need two processors like the DS for?

KDR_11k · « **Reply #199 on:** January 26, 2005, 04:12:27 AM »

Multicore processors are the new trend. Dunno why but everybody's doing it. Either way, gaming can benefit from parallelized processing since you could find enough work to keep both processors busy without creating bottlenecks.

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Author Topic: GCN2 = "Revolution" (Read 35143 times)