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I have a feeling this might be the Rev controller
« on: June 16, 2005, 08:34:13 PM »
Some very interesting images has been posted at the Nintendo power forums.

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I have a feeling that this might be real. If this is real it will most likely be similar to the universal remote advertised by Radioshack all the time,You program it for a VCR, DVD player, or stereo system and the necessary controls for each light up on the remote. It seems logical because it would have to be backwards compatible for many consoles. This also goes along with what Reggie said about the controller;

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If you put those controllers all lined up together they're all very different. So think about what kind of device is going to allow you to play all those different types of games"


I'm still uncertain, this is the best fake rev controller I've seen so far (if fake).  

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RE:I have a feeling this might be the Rev controller
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2005, 08:52:28 PM »
I don't know - it looks like it would be really hard to control N64 games on that thing.
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RE: I have a feeling this might be the Rev controller
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2005, 09:11:19 PM »
Does that controller even have any buttons?  It looks like a total piece of crap.

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RE:I have a feeling this might be the Rev controller
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2005, 10:04:25 PM »
This touchpad-type idea is really lame. When I play a game I want feedback. I want to feel some resistance and I want to feel the actual buttons to know that I'm pressing them. With this, I can't feel where a button is. I can't feel the joystick. I don't think that this is the Revolutionary controller.
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RE: I have a feeling this might be the Rev controller
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2005, 11:00:11 PM »
What am I even looking at?
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2005, 11:52:20 PM »
Wasn't there a quote somewhere with Miyamoto saying that they weren't even finished with the controller yet? I don't think Nintendo's at a point where the can start revealing concept art of the thing...

But yeah, if that's real....what a stupid controller....  

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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2005, 11:58:49 PM »
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What am I even looking at?


Good freaking question...if there are light up buttons like on the Radio shack remotes then why don't they have pictures with the damn buttons lit up?  These just make it look like a useless piece of crap.  If it does have cool blue lights on it that match the console it would be pretty sharp though.

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RE:I have a feeling this might be the Rev controller
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2005, 01:26:15 AM »
It looks really sleek and sexy, but at the same time it has little other than maybe some kind of shoulder functions and some blue things that are visible.  

I too am worried about tactile sensitivity.  I like to feel the mechanic I am touching.

This thing almost looks like a view of the back of the controller.
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RE:I have a feeling this might be the Rev controller
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2005, 03:31:07 AM »
I have a feeling you might be wrong...........
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RE:I have a feeling this might be the Rev controller
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2005, 03:45:49 AM »
In other news a Nintendo Revolution controller sighting occurred on extraterrestrial highway in Nevada a couple days ago, MaxXUnlimited says he spotted the controller, took out his camera and snapped a photo, just before it shot off in a blaze of light. Like most Revolution controller pictures, it’s very hard to make out and very grainy. The picture is described to be ‘sleek’, ‘sexy’, and ‘total piece of crap’. NRC spottings have been on the rise in recent months, probably due to the unveiling of the ‘Revolution’ at an electronics expo a couple months back. Most, however, still see NRC spottings as mere crackpot theories. And now on to Ollie for the weather forecast, Ollie.
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RE: I have a feeling this might be the Rev controller
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2005, 05:03:40 AM »
Thanks for a good laugh in the morning.

And I'm referring to the responses in this thread, not the thread topic.
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2005, 07:15:38 AM »
I have to agree with the "I hope not" camp. Absolutely zero tactile feedback = bad bad bad.

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RE: I have a feeling this might be the Rev controller
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2005, 07:19:20 AM »
That wont be the rev controller think more like n64 & gc controller in one.
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RE:I have a feeling this might be the Rev controller
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2005, 07:19:48 AM »
Here's why I doubt the controller will be like the remote you are referred to.

I had one.  It's called a Kameleon.  The gimmick about it is that it is, essentially, a "blank slate" controller (for the record I doubt that's an official phrase, but it fits the metaphor pretty nicely).  Picture a dry erase board.  Now, certain functions stay lit at all times so you can access them.  For example, generic commands like a numberpad, volume, channels, etc.  So maybe about half the space is already used for those commands.  The kicker is that there is a selection area as well with buttons referencing specific components you want to control.  In other words, there is a "tv" button, a "vcr" button, a "cable" button, etc etc etc.  When you press one of these, other buttons on the controller light up, giving you specific functions to enact for that device.  So what you end up with is this "blank slate," which never changes physical dimensions, altering its available commands and button choices so that various devices can be faithfully executed and controlled.  

In THEORY, this is a GREAT idea.  

Let me stress that again.

In THEORY, this is a GREAT idea.

Now let me tell you why theory is always trumped by hard facts and actual tests.

So I had this controller.  Ignoring the fact that it was very pretty, it was a chore to use.  The problem that people don't understand with blank slate devices (i.e., there are also LCD screen controllers from Sony and other companies that emulate the same exact experience, only via an LCD screen, which is "cooler") is that they have NO TACTILE RESPONSE.  When I had to switch to another device, I *had* to look down at the controller because there's absolutely no way to feel your way through it.  None.  Since it's a flat surface with commands altering beneath it for functionality, you have to look around for the more specialized commands.  Hell, unless you had great "muscle memory" (common with pianists and guitarists, how they can know what chords they are playing without thinking about it consciously), you couldn't figure out what the hell you wanted to do unless you looked.  This wasn't a huge problem for television surfing, of course, but the fact is that in an effort to be cutting edge and hip, the controller would show only the buttons you needed, or the buttons changed effect under various circumstances.  So the volume button never moved, but in some rare cases it might control something else.  And even then, you had no way to knowing where it was unless, again, you could just spatially memorize that in your mind.

After a few months of working on it, I did manage to make good use of it.

And then it broke.  It just stopped working.  I guess my warning sign should have been that 1) the battery usage skyrocketed, and 2) the warranty had just ended.

But throwing all of that out, it still doesn't change the fact that you have no tactile response.  If you take any controller now, you can memorize the layout and know what you are hitting at all times with relative ease.  After you get the layout of the PS2 controller, you know that triangle is always at top.  The GC controller simplifies this further with its "bean" buttons.  

"But Strell, what about slightly raised areas in the slate?"

Yes, the controller had those, but 1) they were minimal, and 2) you had to pay a lot of attention to understand where they were.  It WAS possible to feel your way around, but it required looking and having prior information of the controller's layout.  

And besides, once you add such things, it destroys the whole idea of fully mapable surfaces.  If you're commiting to a layout physically, you might as well go ahead and just give us a d-pad and buttons.

I assume if Nintendo wanted to do something using this kind of technology, they will find a way to alleviate these issues.  But the fact right now is that a blank slate controller is going to be far more active in use than as a remote for television.  I can make do with the fact that I will have to look down to find the "previous channel" button.  But I can't do that if I'm trying to find a button to do some move in a game, where seconds count.

It's a nice idea in theory, but try using one of the controllers.  It's a pain.

I like the pics of the controller up above, but I seriously hope that's not it.  It reminds me of an early 90s "omg RAD!" sort of thing.

Of course, me saying I hate it probably means that's the damn controller.  Hoo-ray.  
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RE: I have a feeling this might be the Rev controller
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2005, 07:25:27 AM »
hey guys

i had a friend translate the russian text

"Revolutionary Sender/Controller - A fully *touchable* keyboard.

It has NO BUTTONS at all. The sender/controller and gamer both recieve interact with each other through movement... this implies that not only is the game controlled through the movement of the player but all the controll itself gives some form of feedback.

The controller has built in sensors that can tell the distance between the player, and console. It has a built in microphone, and can determine it's position. (So turning the controller around and moving it in an direction would be a form of controlling)"
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« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2005, 07:37:37 AM »
If this thing is fully built on gyroscopes and movement technology, that's going to suck too.  How many little kids move the controller when they do certain things?  Like turning in a racing game.  I tell my nephew all the time that he's got to stop that because it's distracting.

There had better be measures in place to gaurd against accidental movement and other things along those lines.
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RE: I have a feeling this might be the Rev controller
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2005, 07:47:36 AM »
"Hell, unless you had great 'muscle memory' (common with pianists and guitarists, how they can know what chords they are playing without thinking about it consciously), you couldn't figure out what the hell you wanted to do unless you looked."

At least guitar strings and piano keys provide resistance.  This would be like playing a guitar with no strings and no frets.

"It has NO BUTTONS at all. The sender/controller and gamer both recieve interact with each other through movement... this implies that not only is the game controlled through the movement of the player but all the controll itself gives some form of feedback."

Wow.  This is even WORSE than the "blank slate" idea.  It would be a hassle to even play Pong on such a controller.  I really hope this isn't the real controller because if there was ever a situation that would call for "Nintendo is doomed" this controller being real would be it.  If the Rev launched with this I would seriously expect the Rev to not even last a year.

But Reggie said the controller will be able to play all the old games and neither speculated design would allow that so it's probably fake.

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« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2005, 09:38:04 AM »
I just had an idea (as amazing as that is).  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that those pictures are indeed of the revolution controller.  However, link one is too dark to really show anything at all on the face of the controller except what might be 2 shoulder(ish)-type buttons.  There may be other buttons on the face, its simply too dark to tell.  

As far as image 2 goes, it, assuming again that it is the real revolution controller, it looks as if it would be the BOTTOM of the controller.  Which is why there are no visible buttons.  It kind of makes sense too.  Image 1 is the top, image 2 is the bottom which lets people get an idea of what the entire controller looks like.

Just a thought.  I could be wrong, and those images could be (probably are?) fake.

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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2005, 10:29:18 AM »
To add up to all these posibilites, image one looks to me that it has the Revolution hardware on it to the left and to the right something that looks like a human skull that Hamlet of Shakespeare wouldn't be scared off of using.
Image 2 looks a lot more like a visor of a very modern set of sunglasses then a controller. It's kinda shaped like on and the ligts are placed like they are some kind of "and now the things is turned on" kinda lights.
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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2005, 11:21:22 AM »
If you up the brightness on the first image to make the Rev on the left really stand out, the photoshoppedness of the image becomes apparent.  You can tell that it is a shrunken pasted version of the official photos by looking at how 'perfect' the base looks.  It doesn't mesh with the graininess of hte rest of the image.
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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2005, 02:30:41 PM »
I call fake (of course). However, it did get me thinking... Basically most of the time we play games with 4 fingers (thumbs and index fingers).  What if they were to remove two of the buttons from the face of the controller and add big analog buttons to the inside of the grips where the rest of our fingers are?  That would make the controller look less intimidating without really losing functionality.

A racing game could use this, use the d-stick or d-pad to accelerate. Use the grip buttons to steer. This would keep your "action" fingers free to break, fire ammo, etc. Or maybe reverse it and use the grips to accelerate or break.

Meh, whatever. I just hope it's not some freak device.
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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2005, 03:03:35 PM »
"What if they were to remove two of the buttons from the face of the controller and add big analog buttons to the inside of the grips where the rest of our fingers are? That would make the controller look less intimidating without really losing functionality."

I think that would probably be more intimidating.  Face buttons are great because you immediately spot them when you're handed an unfamiliar controller.  I remember when the SNES first came out I was really put off by the shoulder buttons.  The idea of having to use more than my thumbs seemed very complicated at the time.  I adapted to it quick enough and realized the huge advantages of having shoulder buttons but at the time it was weird.

And when I first played the N64 at a friend's house I had no idea there even was a Z button.  If you put buttons in yet another spot you're probably going to confuse the "non-gamers" even more.

Not that I care since I'm not cool with this non-gamer focus anyway but the idea would clash with what Nintendo has said.

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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2005, 05:38:13 PM »
I think that the Z button should be moved to the face. It was weird on the N64 controller and weird on the GC controller.
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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2005, 07:31:17 PM »
Hahaha OMFG I can't believe some people think this controller is real.  First off Miyamoto has already stated that Nintendo isn't finished designing the controller yet, secondly the description for this contoller originally came from a Russian website.  Now why the @#(@ would the Russians be the one to leak the Revolution controller seriously I don't even think there are that many Russian console developers I'm pretty sure they're into the PC gaming scene.  Seriously if there were any nation that would leak the Revolution controller I'm guessing it would be Japan.  So Ian Sane and anyone else worried that this is the Revolution's controller need not worry because this is fake with a capital F.

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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2005, 07:40:33 PM »
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Hahaha OMFG I can't believe some people think this controller is real. First off Miyamoto has already stated that Nintendo isn't finished designing the controller yet,
Ever heard of a CONCEPT design?  The PS3 controller shown @ E3 was a conceptual design, as in not exactly final.
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secondly the description for this contoller originally came from a Russian website.  Now why the @#(@ would the Russians be the one to leak the Revolution controller seriously I don't even think there are that many Russian console developers I'm pretty sure they're into the PC gaming scene.  Seriously if there were any nation that would leak the Revolution controller I'm guessing it would be Japan.  So Ian Sane and anyone else worried that this is the Revolution's controller need not worry because this is fake with a capital F.
Ever think that whoever this russian person/website/magazine is that maybe, just maybe, they have a japanese contact?  They could have an insider friend that leaked them info as I think that is how most leaks get out in the first place.  I don't expect some NDA'd developer to suddenly publish some photos, and then release them to the internet, there by breaching contract.

I'm not saying that this pic is real, I'm just trying say you logic might be a little flawed.