Author Topic: Suda 51: No More Heroes Series is Going Beyond Wii (Read 11200 times)

Skeeter8887 · « **on:** July 15, 2009, 01:21:00 PM »

The company has plans to evolve series into a major franchise.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=19032

In a recent article from Edge Online, Grasshopper Manufacture CEO Goichi Suda (a.k.a. Suda 51) said his company plans to evolve No More Heroes into a bigger franchise. For the studio, the only way to accomplish that would be to look past the Wii and into other systems. He expressed that No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle will probably be the last game in the series to be developed on the Wii.

"Wii is a great platform, but weve done everything we can with it now.

In a story by 1UP, Suda added that his interest in working with Natal.

"We developed No More Heroes with the Wii Remote in mind, but now I want to think about games with Natal in mind. I have to ask myself, as a game designer, what new games can be done with this, what can be an interesting experience and challenge, and I'm looking forward to that."

Ubisoft plans to publish No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle in early 2010 in the West.

broodwars · « **Reply #1 on:** July 15, 2009, 08:31:32 PM »

Yeah, good luck selling your nutty games outside your small niche Nintendo audience, and welcome to the vast ocean of PlayStation and Microsoft gamers who play better games than you make and are even more likely to ignore you. Well done, Suda 51. Well done. But not to worry, because I'm sure Nintendo will grant your request and keep you relevant by putting Travis Touchdown in the next Smash Bros. lol...

Seriously, as small as his audience is on Wii does he really think that No More Heroes will stand out on other consoles where "mature" games are much more prevalent?

AV · « **Reply #2 on:** July 15, 2009, 09:15:07 PM »

1st of all saying this BEFORE you release the 2nd game is just damning that game to failure.

Why should I buy that game when i know for a fact that the story will continue on a game console I don't own.

2nd the game might work with Natal or PS3 wand thingy but it won't be the same.

What about all the people who supported your game on Wii ? is that audience worthless to you.

3rd why would PS3 or 360 owners care about the 3rd game in a franchise if they can't play the 1st and 2nd game without owning a Wii. It would be like releasing God of War 3 on MAC . The Mac audience might be happy to get the game, but without being able to play the first 2 games it doesn't make much sense story wise.

Do they plan to re-release NMH and Desperate Struggle on those consoles as well. If so that's going to be allot of money needed and potentially they might not care. 360 and PS3 have plenty of its own exclusives, so this might bomb on those consoles .

I guess business wise it's a good idea to get a bigger market, but what ever happened respecting the audience.

Stratos · « **Reply #3 on:** July 15, 2009, 09:26:03 PM »

There have been lots of series that have transferred systems. Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Mega Man, Resident Evil. So I don't think the 'you have to play the previous ones' holds much water. Maybe for some of the convoluted story, but that is what reboots are for. What if he makes NMH3 not need too much knowledge of the previous games?

I'll buy it even if I know the third is coming to another system. Firstly, it could come to both systems. Secondly, NMHs will be a great game on it's own (I'm assuming).

Time will tell. I say everyone buy it (assuming it is really good) and show what kind of sales it can do on Wii. Then if it flops on that other system, they will bring it back to us (like with RE4 and other games that were eventually ported).

Enner · « **Reply #4 on:** July 15, 2009, 09:51:04 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Adolph Vega on July 15, 2009, 09:15:07 PM

I guess business wise it's a good idea to get a bigger market, but what ever happened respecting the audience.

Since when did expanding to other platforms disrespect the audience? It's not like Suda 51 owed anything to anyone, especially when he has expressed interest in developing for other consoles.

I think this is a good thing since that means other game fans who only own the other systems now have a chance to play a No More Heroes game.

mantidor · « **Reply #5 on:** July 15, 2009, 10:36:50 PM »

I seriously doubt "they have done everything possible on the wii", then again their games have failed to call my attention. I also really doubt other platforms will offer more possible things to do, besides graphics, and they don't look like the kind of developer that can invest the kind of money needed for quality graphics on the so called "HD" consoles. They are also pretty much delusional if they think they can have a bigger market for their games there.

If you are a niche developer and can't make it huge on the dominant console forget about trying it in the second and third. The market leader is your safer bet. It's kind of ridiculous to even think about it but it seems like a lot of developers were following fanboish posts on the more popular internet gaming forums as their marketing guidelines.

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #6 on:** July 15, 2009, 10:42:17 PM »

Now not only is the market-leading Wii not getting a lot of third-party support, it's losing some of the exclusive support it already had.

LJKKJLCM9 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 15, 2009, 10:54:12 PM »

cause Killer 7 did so much better on the PS2 than the GC or something?

Suda creates niche games, and no matter what system he makes them on, they will reach a small audience. I'm going to buy the 2nd game because I enjoyed the first one, but this will hardly be a franchise that will ever sell a console, so I won't be buying another console to play these games. If I happen to own one it goes to, so be it.

THE JACKEL

Stogi · « **Reply #8 on:** July 16, 2009, 01:04:18 AM »

I wish them the best of luck.

Peachylala · « **Reply #9 on:** July 16, 2009, 01:30:29 AM »

Quote from: insanolord on July 15, 2009, 10:42:17 PM

Now not only is the market-leading Wii not getting a lot of third-party support, it's losing some of the exclusive support it already had.

N64 and GCN had some plausible reasons for third parties shifting support. The cartridge medium (N64), and the "everything must be MATURE!! and not on a purple purse" mentality last gen being the main problems.

This generation is basically 3rd Excuse Makers. IN BROWN SHADING.

Stratos · « **Reply #10 on:** July 16, 2009, 03:13:51 AM »

Quote from: True Blue on July 16, 2009, 01:30:29 AM

Quote from: insanolord on July 15, 2009, 10:42:17 PM
Now not only is the market-leading Wii not getting a lot of third-party support, it's losing some of the exclusive support it already had.
N64 and GCN had some plausible reasons for third parties shifting support. The cartridge medium (N64), and the "everything must be MATURE!! and not on a purple purse" mentality last gen being the main problems.

This generation is basically 3rd Excuse Makers. IN BROWN SHADING.

I will miss the vibrant and colorful world (well, characters at least) of Santa Destroy. Hard to Define colors and objects will their their place.

broodwars · « **Reply #11 on:** July 16, 2009, 03:50:38 AM »

Quote from: Stratos on July 16, 2009, 03:13:51 AM

Quote from: True Blue on July 16, 2009, 01:30:29 AM
Quote from: insanolord on July 15, 2009, 10:42:17 PM
Now not only is the market-leading Wii not getting a lot of third-party support, it's losing some of the exclusive support it already had.
N64 and GCN had some plausible reasons for third parties shifting support. The cartridge medium (N64), and the "everything must be MATURE!! and not on a purple purse" mentality last gen being the main problems.

This generation is basically 3rd Excuse Makers. IN BROWN SHADING.

I will miss the vibrant and colorful world (well, characters at least) of Santa Destroy. Hard to Define colors and objects will their their place.

I don't see Suda 51 suddenly changing his wacked-out art style just because he's looking to jump off the wobbling Wii 3rd party ship. It might become a little more refined with sharper lines; bolder colors; and perhaps even more gore but I don't see it changing much beyond that.

My problem with Suda 51 is that while I generally enjoyed No More Heroes, the guy can't make an above-average game to save his life. He really is the epitome of Pro's "3rd Excuse Makers": he's pretentiously complaining that he needs to jump ship to the other platforms because he can't make a game that people actually want to buy on Wii (or PS2 for that matter). The platform is his problem, not the quality of his games apparently. And while he's doing so, he apparently wants Nintendo to put Travis Touchdown in the next Smash Bros. as if Suda 51 was actually someone important to Nintendo's marketing strategy. He manages to throw enough bizarre things together to make his stuff at least interesting, but while I can appreciate that to some degree that doesn't make him worthy of the all the attention he's trying to garner for himself.

Stratos · « **Reply #12 on:** July 16, 2009, 04:40:40 AM »

It was a joke piggybacking True's brown shading comment.

I do agree with you though that he is being an excuse maker.

Did he really say he wanted Tuchdown in the next Smash?

broodwars · « **Reply #13 on:** July 16, 2009, 04:49:32 AM »

Quote from: Stratos on July 16, 2009, 04:40:40 AM

Did he really say he wanted Tuchdown in the next Smash?

Ask and ye shall receive: http://www.destructoid.com/suda-51-wants-travis-touchdown-in-smash-bros--138979.phtml

Considering that news story came out just a day or two after Suda's original announcement that NMH2 was going to be the last in the series on Wii, I found his statement in that above about link about wanting Touchdown to be in Smash Bros. to just be hilarious.

Peachylala · « **Reply #14 on:** July 16, 2009, 01:01:04 PM »

Basically my Brown Shading joke was piggybacked by Stratos. Yeah.

Quote from: broodwars

]Considering that news story came out just a day or two after Suda's original announcement that NMH2 was going to be the last in the series on Wii, I found his statement in that above about link about wanting Touchdown to be in Smash Bros. to just be hilarious.

Hideo - Wanted Snake in Melee. Got him in Brawl. We didn't get any games from him (which is either a good or bad thing).

Suda51 - Deciding to put NMH on different platforms, but wants Travis in the next Smash game.

THE ERA OF EXCUSE MAKERS!

Stratos · « **Reply #15 on:** July 16, 2009, 01:39:58 PM »

And I was really hoping for an MGS2 remake or a port of the PS2 MGS collection on Wii.

A pity no one bought Twin Snakes.

EasyCure · « **Reply #16 on:** July 16, 2009, 02:36:33 PM »

Quote from: Stratos on July 16, 2009, 01:39:58 PM

And I was really hoping for an MGS2 remake or a port of the PS2 MGS collection on Wii.

A pity no one bought Twin Snakes.

I DID! used from gamestop during a buy 2 get one 1 free deal..

vudu · « **Reply #17 on:** July 16, 2009, 02:40:41 PM »

NMH3 probably won't be released until 2012 at the earliest. A new Nintendo console will be introduced around that time. Assuming it has motion controls, Suda will be best served creating NMH3 with the Natal in mind and then porting it to the new Nintendo system.

BwrJim! · « **Reply #18 on:** July 16, 2009, 11:36:07 PM »

So, this is actually old news as far as the internet is concernced. Would it be easier to let you all in on it when it happens?

It's good your getting the information though to more people.

Will the series work on other systems? hmmmm, im not too sure. ON nintendos console it was fresh, but now... not so much.

Peachylala · « **Reply #19 on:** July 17, 2009, 01:11:40 AM »

Quote from: Stratos on July 16, 2009, 01:39:58 PM

And I was really hoping for an MGS2 remake or a port of the PS2 MGS collection on Wii.

A pity no one bought Twin Snakes.

This article from Ravi on The Snake Soup (maker of that famous Make Yer Own BnB Unit) basically explains why the Twin Snakes wasn't that great. It's here.

REmake sold well because it was a good game. MGS:TS? Not so much.

Stratos · « **Reply #20 on:** July 17, 2009, 01:28:55 AM »

Quote from: True Blue on July 17, 2009, 01:11:40 AM

Quote from: Stratos on July 16, 2009, 01:39:58 PM
And I was really hoping for an MGS2 remake or a port of the PS2 MGS collection on Wii.

A pity no one bought Twin Snakes.
This article from Ravi on The Snake Soup (maker of that famous Make Yer Own BnB Unit) basically explains why the Twin Snakes wasn't that great. It's here.

REmake sold well because it was a good game. MGS:TS? Not so much.

I disagree with some of the things that article stated. The author was uninformed on some things that would have changed his tone some, especially at the end. But that is for another thread.

Peachylala · « **Reply #21 on:** July 17, 2009, 01:47:18 AM »

Can you eleborate? I may have to bump my MGS thread in the General Gaming section...

Stratos · « **Reply #22 on:** July 17, 2009, 02:38:40 AM »

Quote from: True Blue on July 17, 2009, 01:47:18 AM

Can you eleborate? I may have to bump my MGS thread in the General Gaming section...

I was actually going to try and find it in a little bit. If you find it first, bump it and I'll elaborate there later.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #23 on:** July 17, 2009, 03:03:31 AM »

Multiplatform release on teh Wii Plus?

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #24 on:** July 17, 2009, 04:19:46 AM »

They can take their multiplatipus strategy and sit themselves on an erect broomstick.

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