Author Topic: Whats next ? (Read 8392 times)

akdaman1 · « **on:** December 01, 2003, 07:01:43 PM »

Hey ppls. I was sitting down last night thinking...whats next? We had 2d, 3d etc But we cant keep adding on polygons.

Soon it will be realistic graphics. People play games to escape reality . What could come next is beyond me. But is it beyond you? Do you know whats next ?

Virtual Reality isnt too realistic ( I mean its so expensive and complicated , It also cant be good for your health ) .

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #1 on:** December 01, 2003, 07:36:40 PM »

The Matrix

ThePerm · « **Reply #2 on:** December 01, 2003, 08:09:35 PM »

We'll eventually texture mapping and great lighting will become the all out most important part of making graphcis look good. Right now alot of stuff is merely goroudshaded with a hack shadow and some inaccurate colorful lightign effects.

in class today i made this freakishly realistic scene of a printign press...i made the lighting effects dark added bumb mappign and reflection and i fiddled and i turned on the shadows(they were default off) and WHOA. Things looks great. Next gen lighting effects, texture effects, and shaders will be the thing that really pushes games to looking realistic.

Shift Key · « **Reply #3 on:** December 01, 2003, 08:31:35 PM »

ThePerm hit the nail on the head - refinement is what will happen with the next generation of consoles and games, not some insane concept like 4D or virtual reality.
In my opinion, VR will not work while the hardware is so large and obvious. Who'd be seen dead with a large black saucer over their face? Not me

As the systems will be able to push more of everything, expect environments to be more interactive. But hopefully the creative games still continue as I fear visuals will continue to be emphasised over gameplay like it is today...

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #4 on:** December 01, 2003, 11:51:37 PM »

I think Scott MacDonald, a reader of EDGE, said it best:

'2009: Gaming as we know it has ceased to exist. After games were finally recognised as art forms in 2007, all new games are reviewed purely based on graphics, sound and 'realism' with no mention of 'gameplay' at all. Home consoles are no longer made and new games have to be visited in special Sony and Microsoft 'galleries' around the country, to be 'admired' by strange men in floppy hats, who then write their critiques for the national press (EDGE and gaming magazines no longer exist).
Anybody who speaks out in favour of a 'return to the olden days' is imprisoned for artistic slander. Shigeru Miyamoto and Yuji Naka are currently serving life for attempting to make 'fun' games. The gamers have gone underground. The bedroom is back. Radiant Silvergun fetches 1 million pounds. And it's raining.'

- Taken from 'Prophet Forecast', a feature in EDGE magazine's 100th issue -

We are somehow slowly almost reaching this point, people.......

Ocarina Blue · « **Reply #5 on:** December 02, 2003, 12:56:32 AM »

I can't say I like the look of where games are going now. Many of the best selling games are simply overly violent or borderline pornographic. Crap like that has seeped into even traditional franchises. I wouldn't mind if this was only a small section of games, but it isn't, it's almost everywhere. Perhaps one day there will be another big crash when people realise exactly what they are buying so much of. At least I can trust Nintendo to keep on pouring out good games.

Swordsplay · « **Reply #6 on:** December 02, 2003, 07:41:17 AM »

Have you seen the commercial they made ages ago about playstation 9? Where the game comes to life, and your in it? That's what is next, and it will be sweet ass!

I remember the last line they said in the commercial....

"Playstation 9, where playstation 2 and 3 are only the beginning."

akdaman1 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 02, 2003, 08:53:00 AM »

Thats what I'm worried about ppl , No Gameplay and More Graphics .

Now adding textures , lighting etc is already being used. The only real graphical improvement would be that everything is touchable. You dont miss anything in the game. Hard to explain but here i go.

When I wa;l into a room I pick up a candle , straighten up the picture on the wall. Write a letter. etc. All these moves affect your gamplay. Sorta what Silicon Knights were promising with Too Human.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #8 on:** December 02, 2003, 11:51:27 AM »

Two things will happen.

1. Companies like Sony and MS will strive to use the increased power of their consoles to make games more and more realistic with Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within level graphics, realistic sound, accurate physics, incredibly advanced AI, etc. These games will focus almost entirely on presentation, will take years to develop, and will cost hundreds of millions of dollars to make. These will be the videogame equivalent of epic special effects movies like Star Wars Episode I and The Matrix Reloaded. Like those movies these games will F*CKING SUCK despite all of the hype and money thrown into the project. Also like those movies these things will sell huge.

2. Nintendo will concentrate on making games based on gameplay and fun instead of detailed graphics and realism. Though they do not sell as many copies as Sony's and MS's games because Nintendo puts less money into their projects and releases them more frequently the big N manages to remain quite profitable. Unable to make money competing with Sony's and MS's giant blockbusters companies like Capcom, Sega, and Namco develop exclusively for Nintendo's consoles where they can make more money for less development costs. Hardcore gamers flock to Nintendo's console while the brainwashed masses stick with Sony and MS. Nintendo becomes the critical favourite and continues to remain profitable while being supported by hardcore gamers.

After years of this the casual audience grows tired of gaming and Sony and MS abandon the gaming industry after losing millions on blockbuster games that don't make a profit. Gaming becomes a hardcore hobby and a past time for kids until ten years later a new media giant decides to throw their hat in the ring and it all starts over again. Eventually after numerous cycles Nintendo goes out of business and the gaming industry dies for good.

ThePerm · « **Reply #9 on:** December 02, 2003, 12:48:35 PM »

With an increase in system power becomes and increase in system flexibility. Alot of things are left out of games because its difficult to put it in without wasting memory and processing power. So research and testing has to be done to include it. This is one of the things that causes game dev tiem to slow down. Eventually it will not be difficult to just add things in without having a cost to power which could result in a headache inducing framerate drop.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #10 on:** December 02, 2003, 01:52:49 PM »

I've always been afraid of things going to VR. . . that'd throw a lot of innovation down the drain. . . bye bye, good old 2D. Good bye fun.

But Nintendo probably won't go that way. . . the may make some VR environments, but I imagine that they will maintain innovation by some means or another. Basically agreeing with what Ian said.

akdaman1 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 02, 2003, 06:19:59 PM »

I am going out on a limb here but I say the Industry will die after the N5, Its sad but what else can come ? Improved graphics but that cant continue forever.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #12 on:** December 02, 2003, 06:22:11 PM »

Once the graphics playing field is leveled, the only other place to step is into the gameplay block...And that is where Ninty has succeeded and will succeed in the future...

akdaman1 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 02, 2003, 10:33:09 PM »

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Originally posted by: Bill
Once the graphics playing field is leveled, the only other place to step is into the gameplay block...And that is where Ninty has succeeded and will succeed in the future...

Yes but what else can be added? The industry will just be going around in circles . Its already started , ALL of the next years most anticipated games are sequels.

Ninga Gaiden
Grand Turismo
Half Life 2
Mgs 3
Mgs TT
Final Fantasy ( whatever there up to now ? Its become daily that a new FF game is announced )

You all get my point.

In my opinion , not many companies are making an effort for originalaty , Not even Nintendo . Most are trying to cash in on the latest craze ( GTA ) . Capcom seem to be innovating quite alot . Viewtiful Joe is something new and original . So is PN03 , it might have been a failure but it was an original effort.

Gameplay seems to be going stale as of late . The indistry is leading to nowhere. And its quite sad really. Pikmin and Animal Crossing are some of the few games this generation that standout as original master pieces ( Including VJ of course )

I can go on WAY more but I will leave that to 2morrow.

Ocarina Blue · « **Reply #14 on:** December 03, 2003, 12:37:42 AM »

Sequels get more attention because there is something that people feel already represents their comming quality: their prequel. Only orginal games that already come from popular developers will ever get much respect pre-release, and even then, often only if the games share generes with the developer's past games.

Swordsplay · « **Reply #15 on:** December 03, 2003, 03:45:22 AM »

I agree with akdaman1 about final fantasy, there are 16 final fantasies (1 on gameboy, 1 on gameboy advance, 1 on gamecube pretty soon, 1 - 11 and 11 part 2, and soon 12!). When is the story going to end? In fact, final fantasy isn't a "story" it's the same series with different people, and different areas, and situations. What's so popular about it? Don't get me wrong, but i love final fantasy and the final fantasy movie, but seriously, its never ending so far.

Bloodworth · « **Reply #16 on:** December 03, 2003, 05:41:51 AM »

It will simply come down to a refinement of craft. Even if the genres lessen, that doesn't mean people will stop playing video games -- just like people don't stop going to see romantic movies or westerns, etc. I think graphics have already ceased to matter this generation. There is a certain level you can't go below, but for the most part, when I'm playing a game, the graphics become pretty much transparent after just a few minutes. The only exception that I've had to that recently has been FFCC, which is just gorgeous -- but that again comes down to the artistic merits more than making things more technically impresssive or realistic.

akdaman1 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 03, 2003, 07:59:55 AM »

I wish what you said was true Bloodworth (That graphics seemed to really mean nothing this generation) . But it does. People were hyping up XIII to be the next Metroid becaus eof its beautiful graphics. When I read a review on F-Zero its all graphics. I care about Graphics but it does not make my decision when I am buying a game.

Gameplay is also going stale, nowdays its only sequels , its true they sell more etc etc and are recognised by casual gamers but soon when Link has played every single instrument created, When Mario get tired of saving Peach then who are we going to turn to?

Swordsplay · « **Reply #18 on:** December 03, 2003, 10:22:09 AM »

---Quote by Swordsplay---

I agree with akdaman1 about final fantasy, there are 16 final fantasies (1 on gameboy, 1 on gameboy advance, 1 on gamecube pretty soon, 1 - 11 and 11 part 2, and soon 12!). When is the story going to end? In fact, final fantasy isn't a "story" it's the same series with different people, and different areas, and situations. What's so popular about it? Don't get me wrong, but i love final fantasy and the final fantasy movie, but seriously, its never ending so far.

---End quote---

Also, not to mention, that they are coming out with more final fantasies, and another final fantasy movie.

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #19 on:** December 03, 2003, 12:03:54 PM »

Another Final Fantasy movie?
Considering the flop of the one already released, I don't think it's really wise move, unless they are so hellbent on trying to get the world attention with 'HEY HEY! Look at us! We can make realistic humans!' They should stop spending MILLIONS and MILLIONS and just hire actors.
I find characters like Woody, Buzz, Sully, Mike, Marlin and Dory have more character and emotion that the characters in FF: TSW ever did.
That said though, the movie wasn't all THAT bad. I liked it in its own way.
The thing with the movie was that it came off too much as a sci-fi rather than a fantasy film. I'd like a more adventure-fantasy film, with far off kingdoms and magic and huge battles with mystical creatures. Not space cannons, jumpsuits and aliens.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #20 on:** December 03, 2003, 12:49:04 PM »

I don't think the industry will go downhill, especially not Nintendo. It may eventually collapse, perhaps in half a century or so, but I'll probably be dead then, so no worries.

twinkletoes · « **Reply #21 on:** December 03, 2003, 02:59:22 PM »

I think we'll all be dead by then, Hostile Creation.

twinkletoes · « **Reply #22 on:** December 03, 2003, 03:00:51 PM »

Oh crap I accidentally posted the same thing twice so...I'll edit this one to say something different.

AaBbCcDdEeFfGgHhIiJjKkLlMmNnOoPpQqRrSsTtUuVvWwXxYyZz...now you know that I know my ABC's, and Ninja can't get mad at me either.

Ms.Pikmin · « **Reply #23 on:** December 03, 2003, 03:28:28 PM »

twinkletoes, that could have actually been the abc song if you had just ended it with...

......now I know my abc's, and Ninja can't get mad at me

Oh, by the way, *whispers* he still can.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #24 on:** December 03, 2003, 03:33:35 PM »

twinkletoes just doesn't seem to get that posting 20 times in one page is an unnacceptable thing to do. If you have nothing to say, THEN DONT FREAKING POST!!!!!

twinkletoes · « **Reply #25 on:** December 03, 2003, 03:41:04 PM »

Geezes Ninja, I accidentally *wait time out* (accidentally being the key word here) *time in* posted it twice so I changed it...you've got a really bad attitude about it.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #26 on:** December 03, 2003, 03:44:11 PM »

Grey Ninja will get mad at anything if he's not been drinking. Once he attacked me for. . . uh. . . wow. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever incurred the wrath of this Ninja. . . my comeuppance is probably approaching, but oh well.

twinkletoes · « **Reply #27 on:** December 03, 2003, 03:47:18 PM »

And! Grey ninja maybe I do have something to say and that is you are a great big (blankety blank blank)...I'd say it but there are moderators and stuff...

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 03, 2003, 03:51:46 PM »

Would you like to spam some more with some blankety blank blank blank?

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #29 on:** December 03, 2003, 03:52:26 PM »

Hostile, actually I have been drinking tonight. And you have never incurred my wrath because you are overall a pretty good guy, and have a reasonable amount of intelligence (I actually think you have a fair bit of intellect, but that's beside the point here).

I am angry with twinkletoes because he/she has done nothing but spam since he/she has been here, and every second post (oftentimes more) is by him/her. What's more, he/she has actually bragged about his/her post count, which just infuriates me further. And what makes me ever angrier is that every second THREAD around here is blatant spam.

result == one VERY pissed off ninja.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #30 on:** December 03, 2003, 04:00:34 PM »

I know what you mean. And I was kidding about the drinking. Mostly.

And twinkletoes, I'd back down. I can generally ignore any spam, having been at much worse boards before, but you've got the big dogs here. Ms. Pikmin, Grey Ninja, and manunited. . . that's freaking suicide. For your own sake, ease up on the spam-like posts.

Oh, and thanks for the compliments, Grey Ninja. I'm honored

I'd say same to you, but it'd seem kind of cheap now. I'll get you when you least expect it.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #31 on:** December 03, 2003, 04:14:15 PM »

I suggest we put this thread to rest, agreed?

I have to add one thing, though: twinkletoes, get a clue
(it's like lil aryll all over again...:\ )

akdaman1 · « **Reply #32 on:** December 04, 2003, 09:06:30 AM »

Jeeez I leave for one day and my post is in flames. Leave Twinkletoes alone ( I feel so stupid writing that ) , he accidently doublke posted and said sorry .

Anyway , I am not sure whats goona happen to the gba next when it goes 3d. I feel that all the detail in 3d graphics will be way to small to pick up on the small screen. I think that Handheld gaming should stay 2d.

Who else agrees?

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #33 on:** December 04, 2003, 10:13:32 AM »

I still don't think GBA is at SNES in terms of beauty, but oh well, people want 3D they get 3D.

I am still against 3D gameboys as well.

twinkletoes · « **Reply #34 on:** December 04, 2003, 02:30:50 PM »

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Originally posted by: Grey Ninja
Hostile, actually I have been drinking tonight. And you have never incurred my wrath because you are overall a pretty good guy, and have a reasonable amount of intelligence (I actually think you have a fair bit of intellect, but that's beside the point here).

I am angry with twinkletoes because he/she has done nothing but spam since he/she has been here, and every second post (oftentimes more) is by him/her. What's more, he/she has actually bragged about his/her post count, which just infuriates me further. And what makes me ever angrier is that every second THREAD around here is blatant spam.

result == one VERY pissed off ninja.

What do you mean, I'm bragging about how many threads I've posted? I've done nothing of the sort! Don't be so hard on the newbs either. And the second thread was because I ACCIDENTALLY double posted.

Jeez all of you need to ChIlL out a bit...

Edit: by the way, who is aryll?

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #35 on:** December 04, 2003, 03:32:30 PM »

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I can't. I've only been here since nov 26 and have posted 64 messages. *shrugs*

yes. We all just LOVE your content too. I have only seen a couple of posts of yours that are longer than one line.
You seem to ACCIDENTLY double post at least twice a day, in spite of there being a one minute timeout between posts. You must have some really slow reflexes to accidently click the button twice minutes apart.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #36 on:** December 04, 2003, 03:55:19 PM »

Aryll is Link's sister in WW, goofus. She cute.

But lil aryll was someone here that was rather annoying. . . I assume it got banned.

Bloodworth · « **Reply #37 on:** December 04, 2003, 06:09:15 PM »

Hey how about both sides quit arguing and let this thread move on? Ninja, your complaining about the spam is only making it worse.

akdaman1 · « **Reply #38 on:** December 04, 2003, 06:41:06 PM »

Amen to that Bloodworth.

Anyway back on topic , Whats next ?

The gba is in my eyes the same quality as the snes but the snes was a console and the GBA isnt ( DER ) . The 3d graphics will be squashed down and it will become very hard to pick up detail. 3d gfx are useless in the handheld world. Look at the N-Gage .

Who else agrees ?

twinkletoes · « **Reply #39 on:** December 05, 2003, 11:22:13 AM »

I agree, akdaman. I mean, I love the GBA, don't get me wrong...it's just that, I'd rather spend money on a game that has better graphics then something else. The GBA has pretty bad graphics, well what can you expect for a hand-held video game thingy. (sorry, I blanked out on the name...It'll come back to me sooner or later) I don't have that many games for the GBA, I mainly spend them on gamecube. 3D graphics stink in the hand-held world...and I hate having to play a game that looks like it was made in the stone age.

akdaman1 · « **Reply #40 on:** December 05, 2003, 04:14:20 PM »

I just got a GBA and I must say that it is a horrible system, I cant see a thing , How oin earth was Nintendo on when they released it ? Now the GBA SP , now thats the perfect system.

ib2kool4u912 · « **Reply #41 on:** December 05, 2003, 04:34:41 PM »

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Originally posted by: manunited4eva22
I still don't think GBA is at SNES in terms of beauty, but oh well, people want 3D they get 3D.

I am still against 3D gameboys as well.

I don't want a 3D Gameboy because then i would want analog controls. I think there are two problems with analog sticks on a Gameboy 1) They tend to break or get loose and not work very good ( look at an old N64 controller). This wasn't a problem when all you had to do was buy another controller, but if it's attached to a Gameboy you would have to go get it repaired or something. 2) Unlike a D-pad, an analog stick would stick out of the Gameboy, which would make the Gameboy uncomfortable to put in your pocket. It could also brake off entirely if messed around with enough.
(This is all off the top of my head so if there is a way to do some of the stuff i mentioned or I'm wrong about something then i apologize in advance.)

akdaman1 · « **Reply #42 on:** December 05, 2003, 05:00:42 PM »

I agree with Ib2kool4U 100% . Itwould be uncomfortable for an analogue stick in your pocket. My only problem with the GBA is the brightness ( Fixed with the SP ) .

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #43 on:** December 05, 2003, 06:32:42 PM »

Here's something I think would be a good design for the GBA2 control 'stick' - with a comparison to the GC control stick.

http://www.angelfire.com/games3/superspam007/controlstick.jpg

ib2kool4u912 · « **Reply #44 on:** December 05, 2003, 06:39:12 PM »

^^^That link's not working for me.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #45 on:** December 05, 2003, 06:44:27 PM »

Copy and paste the URL...For some reason, Termin8 linked it wrong...

I think that setup would be a tad uncomfortable, however...

akdaman1 · « **Reply #46 on:** December 05, 2003, 11:20:38 PM »

I think that the traditional D-pad would be best suited gor the next nintendo handheld. BTW is there any plans for Tales Of Phantsia to get a release ( away from japan )

akdaman1 · « **Reply #47 on:** December 09, 2003, 05:22:40 PM »

I took the honours of drawing up a what I think the next hendheld should look like....but I have nowhere to host it.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #48 on:** December 09, 2003, 05:27:54 PM »

Check your pm's...

Akdaman's design

akdaman1 · « **Reply #49 on:** December 09, 2003, 05:45:29 PM »

Thanks Bill , so what do you think ? Do you think Nintendo will consider it ? Its quite the artpiece isnt it ?

Zero_Plague · « **Reply #50 on:** December 11, 2003, 06:19:29 PM »

I just quickly stole Akdaman1's design (with his permission

) and just threw in a few extra details and pictures.
The only thing we have not decided yet is... the name of this new piece of art.

My design just turned out a little grainy though because I had to convert it into a Jpg.
But we should still be able to see it without trouble.

EDIT: It looks as if the link dosn't work. I will need somebody to host it up for me...... anybody?

akdaman1 · « **Reply #51 on:** December 11, 2003, 07:54:26 PM »

Zero_plague just sent it to me through Msn and I must say its at least 2wice as good as mine . He explains everything alot better then me.

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Author Topic: Whats next ? (Read 8392 times)