Topic: Touch Screen and Camera Included on Wii Successor's Controller

[NWR_insanolord]

I dont want a console with multiple control options.

Why the hell not?

[Traveller]

I dont want to have to buy different controllers to play certain games. I also think having all these different inputs can become confusing for the average consumer.
 
 

[Enner]

Hm I can't see the console using any kind of motion or pointer for Cafe games. They will allow wiimotes for backwards compatibility, but for new games? I dont want a console with multiple control options. It also feels like Nintendo's big motion push was for nothing now.
 
Oh well.. will find out on wednesday morning i spose..

I don't see why some new Project Cafe games won't have support for Wii remotes and nunchuks. It might be rare, but I think those Wii remotes will see use on Cafe outside of backwards compatibility. There are so many Wii remotes out there that it would be a shame if they aren't used again for Cafe or rendered obsolete by an unheard/future Cafe upgraded remote.

As for motion controls, Nintendo might be waiting for the next-next generation when they can do something new and improved.

I dont want to have to buy different controllers to play certain games. I also think having all these different inputs can become confusing for the average consumer.

I can see how it might be a bummer for Project Cafe owners who aren't Wii owners to buy Wii remotes for a Cafe game that makes the improbable mistake (or tough design decision) of requiring Wii remotes. As for confusing the audience, I think it will be fine if the Cafe controller is prominently positioned as the primary controller. I'd imagine that any Wii remote support in Cafe games will be underplayed similar to Gamecube controller support in Wii games.

[Traveller]

I think it would be smarter to release a cafe branded Wii style controller though, if they intend to use it for new games. It's kind of annoying really, that Nintendo appears to be shifting gears in regards to what they established with the Wii though. Either they see the Wii setup as a semi failure, or they think they need to have a new gimmick to push new hardware.

[NWR_insanolord]

I think, at the very least, we'll see Cafe games use Wii remotes and nunchuks the same way Wii games supported GameCube and Classic controllers.

[Enner]

I think it would be smarter to release a cafe branded Wii style controller though, if they intend to use it for new games. It's kind of annoying really, that Nintendo appears to be shifting gears in regards to what they established with the Wii though. Either they see the Wii setup as a semi failure, or they think they need to have a new gimmick to push new hardware.

An annoyance, but it is expected with a new console. Then again, the Playstation home consoles have been comfortable in practically sticking with one controller for many years.
As for new gimmicks for new hardware, Nintendo needs it as well as other companies. Love it or loathe it, new gimmicks generate much interest whether they become lasting innovations or not. As sensible it would be, a straight and moderate upgrade in power would be a bit boring.
In regards to the Wii's remote and nunchuk being a semi-failure, I think that holds some weight given Nintendo's efforts in it. Though there are some exceptions, it seems for the most part that even Nintendo couldn't figure out how best to employ their motion controls. Or at least how best to employ the motion controls to match our imaginations when we first saw them. Perhaps things would have been different if Wii Motion Plus had been there at the beginning or perhaps not.

[NWR_insanolord]

There are a lot of instances of the pointer being used well, so I hope that aspect makes its way into the Cafe controller in some form. But yeah, there are only really a handful of games that used motion control effectively.

[NintendoFanboy]

ask microsoft how the camera for ur avatar worked out.
 pennis head anyone?
Truly a camera is posible, but so limited it would draw into question why.
AAnd portable games even mini, well lets say, $150 controler

[BlackNMild2k1]

Camera being used for an avatar was just an example that Nikkei used, the camera could be used for lots of things.

Could be video chat in game.
eye tracking
motion tracking in general

But even if Nintendo did use it for an avatar, it would just be to help you convert your face into a Mii like on the 3DS. Nintendo is well aware of penis face and has every intention to not let you use an actual picture of one to create it.

[broodwars]

Now that the touch screen's been confirmed, I'm going to give Nintendo one E3 Press Conference to justify it because right now it's looking pretty pointless and gimmicky if you don't care about local multiplayer gaming.  I had enough useless dual screen nonsense with the DS, and I don't need the comfort of my console controls compromised so Nintendo can shove this expensive gimmick into it.  Right now, I'm leaning towards not getting a Cafe due to this controller.  We'll see if I still feel the same way after Tuesday's Press Conference and NWR impressions.

[Enner]

This is most likely coming from the wannabe PC gamer/power user in me, but I would really like the extra screen and control space a touchscreen brings to a dual-stick controller. I think the extra screen will be really neat even if it is only used for mundane things like extra hot keys, secondary status display, or mini maps. The rumored 6" screen size is a worry though. I don't know if my thumbs will be able to reach all areas of that big screen while still have the sticks and buttons ready to be pressed at a moment's notice.

[Adrock]

I think it would be smarter to release a cafe branded Wii style controller though, if they intend to use it for new games.

I was thinking the same thing. That would allow Nintendo to update the controller in whatever way they need/have to, whether it's buttons or greater precision or something else entirely. Developers could always support legacy Wii remotes/plus, but I kind of feel like most wouldn't. Best case scenario for Nintendo is have a traditional controller (with screen etc.) and Cafe specific remote/nunchuck. I previously advocated a remote configuration that had more buttons essentially acting as both motion controller and traditional controller, but if Nintendo insists on including a screen, that's not really an option. Regardless, if Nintendo wants a Cafe remote to succeed, it HAS to come with the system along with the screen controller.

The more I think about it, the more intrigued I am by the built in screen. People are only really comparing it to the Dreamcast VMU or GCN-GBA connectivity. I'm more excited by what hasn't been done with a similar set-up, the stuff no one has really thought of. There's a lot of potential here.

[Mop it up]

It's kind of annoying really, that Nintendo appears to be shifting gears in regards to what they established with the Wii though. Either they see the Wii setup as a semi failure, or they think they need to have a new gimmick to push new hardware.

Yeah, those are my thoughts too. I liked the Wii but there's still more potential there that needs better motion sensors. And the IR pointer has worked well since day one so even if they are ditching motion because it didn't work out so well, there's no reason to exclude the IR. Though the rumours point to it having some sort of IR so hopefully the pointer is still intact.

[Urkel]

So how long until Sony and Microsoft copy this and release their own touchscreen controllers?
 
Will they wait four years this time around, too?

[broodwars]

So how long until Sony and Microsoft copy this and release their own touchscreen controllers?
 
Will they wait four years this time around, too?

Considering this console's controller is looking to essentially be a Sony NGP/Vita, I don't see Sony needing to "copy" Nintendo this time around.

[Adrock]

Not necessarily. Vita is going to cost at least $300. The Cafe controller will likely be under $80. If the Cafe controller takes off, Sony and MS will copy it.

[BlkPaladin]

One the biggest reason for the touch screen is they are going to give the Console/Handheld connectivity the best shot they can. By making sure that the controllers can be used as a low level handheld it avoids the entrance fee shock that many developers/publishers used for not making games for the option in the last two generations. And by having all the bells and whistles in the controller it allow for the functionality of the other console with out having the need to segment the market by who has what accessory. I cannot find the article but a manufacturer interview said that the controller who possible cost Nintendo $26 to make (as opposed to the $6 for the Wiimote) depending on how much of a hit they are willing to take the controller could be about $80. Considering that the Move starter pack (which includes the PS Eye) cost $99 it could be considered a steal.

[apdude]

If they want to make it independent of the television then they would need to put speakers on it.  However, if the whole purpose of playing it independent of the
TV is because so someone can watch TV while someone is gaming then that would be pretty anoying to have two different audio tracks playing.  So to save cost I think they will put an audio jack in it to plug in headphones instead of independent speakers. 

Also the touchscreen should be big enough to put a useable keyboard on it so if the system has a decent browser that could be useful.

[Adrock]

They could always include both. The Wii remote has a speaker on it even if the speaker is poor quality.

[Enner]

With a camera on the controller and possible audio options, it would be neat to have the audio jacks to use the microphone headset I already own. Speaking of microphones, I hope there's support for Bluetooth headsets for convenience.

[Despicable]

This looks amazing, glad they didn't go MOTION!!!! 
 
Wheres the pause button? 

[Ian Sane]

Now that the touch screen's been confirmed, I'm going to give Nintendo one E3 Press Conference to justify it because right now it's looking pretty pointless and gimmicky if you don't care about local multiplayer gaming.

I don't expect Nintendo to do that because that's not how they roll these days.  They never win me over on these things anymore because they're meant to be marketing gimmicks from the start.  They don't necessarily have any real game ideas in mind prior to coming up with the concept and they're not trying to win people like me over with it in the first place.  Nintendo has had years to prove the concept of a touchscreen with the DS.  If they were going to do it, they would have done it already.
 
For me it's more of a "does this **** things up" factor.  The touchscreen is pretty inoffensive on the DS because all the good games ignore it.  Nintendo did completely ruin Zelda with it but aside from that, it has not affected things too much.  The Wii was different because it lacked buttons and was not a decent hardware improvement from the Cube (the DS without the touchscreen would still have been a good GBA follow up on specs alone) so we got tons of waggle that hurt every game that used it.  Thus there is the "does this **** things up" factor.  Just don't **** up the games I want to play and they can make all the gimmicky bullshit they want.
 
What will sell me on Cafe will be if the third party problem is fixed and Nintendo releases some killer games for it.
 
The $80 controllers are going to kill multiplayer though.  This is going to be a single player machine.