Topic: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 (WiiWare)

[stevey]

I love Sonic 1's (&3's) bonus stages and I'm glade that it's finally back. This game might not be the worst sonic game ever, might*.

As far as I've experienced, a homing attack in the 2D games has been awkward, and a method of which to lose control of Sonic in an environment where such a mechanic isn't needed.

I'm not so pessimistic on the homing attack in 2D Sonic games, they can be very well done, add to the game play/speed, and fun. Although I only seen it done right on a very well done Sonic 1 CD ROM Hack but it shouldn't be too hard for Sega to make it fun and fit in to the game.

[Caterkiller]

Well this Homing attack is being done right as far as i'm concerned. This attack is used to gain access to higher areas in stages.

The advance and rush games just had to do it.

[Caterkiller]

Leader Boards, I think I mentioned long time ago are confirmed.

and great screen shots on ign.
http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/031/031451/imgs_1.html

Along with super postive preview
http://xboxlive.ign.com/articles/107/1079808p1.html

[Caterkiller]

New video! Watch quick befor its down!

http://www.tssznews.com/2010/03/30/new-video-another-sonic-4-leak/


I don't mean to post again, since I'm just replying after myself, but editing wont take the thread to the beginning right?

[BlackNMild2k1]

It looks good, the only thing it was missing from the original was those tv's with the stuff in them. I don't remember what they were or if they were even useful, but I do remember some TV's that you could break and something would be in it.

[BeautifulShy]

Looks good. Kinda hard to hear the music but gameplay is nice.

Yes Caterkiller if you edit your previous post the topic won't be bumped to the first page.

[that Baby guy]

I still think it looks incredibly ugly, as is, and watching the videos that made it up onto Kotaku, the mine-cart stages looks cringe-worthy.  That said, the gameplay resembles a cross between Sonic Rush and the legacy Sonic titles, which, while it doesn't look as good as what was on the Genesis, isn't nearly as dull and bland as what happened with the Rush series.

Still, I hope Sonic Team takes Sonic out of the hands of Dimps, since it's clear they've got one perception of the series, and hands it to someone else with a more clear understanding of the traditional games.

[Peachylala]

Still, I hope Sonic Team takes Sonic out of the hands of Dimps, since it's clear they've got one perception of the series, and hands it to someone else with a more clear understanding of the traditional games.

What would you rather have? One that gives him speed that turns redundant quickly (Dimps) or one that makes unique ideas that ruins them by bad glitches and bad ideas (Sonic Team)?

[TJ Spyke]

I still think it looks incredibly ugly, as is, and watching the videos that made it up onto Kotaku, the mine-cart stages looks cringe-worthy.  That said, the gameplay resembles a cross between Sonic Rush and the legacy Sonic titles, which, while it doesn't look as good as what was on the Genesis, isn't nearly as dull and bland as what happened with the Rush series.

Still, I hope Sonic Team takes Sonic out of the hands of Dimps, since it's clear they've got one perception of the series, and hands it to someone else with a more clear understanding of the traditional games.

Considering that the Sonic Rush games were universally hailed as being some of the BEST Sonic games, I don't see why Sega would have another developer do the future games (Sonic Team has no say, they are just a development team within Sega. It would be like saying Retro Studios has a say over the Metroid series or Bungie has a say over the Halo series, Sega obviously feels Dimps would do a better job than Sonin Team would).

[NWR_insanolord]

"Universally," my ass. I'd rather go back and play Sonic Unleashed some more than play Sonic Rush again. The Rush games feel like parodies of Sonic, where you're constantly moving at full speed with no real platforming and what amount to a series of QTEs where you have to jump or move at the right moment or else be instantly killed.

[Peachylala]

I have to admit, Sonic Unleashed wasn't THAT terrible. Yes, the Warehog levels were ass... but I do have a soft spot for beat-em-ups and the game gives you the choice to make Warehog Dante move faster.

It also felt somewhat similar to Sonic Adventure, which I love to pieces.

[TJ Spyke]

"Universally," my ass. I'd rather go back and play Sonic Unleashed some more than play Sonic Rush again. The Rush games feel like parodies of Sonic, where you're constantly moving at full speed with no real platforming and what amount to a series of QTEs where you have to jump or move at the right moment or else be instantly killed.

The overwhelmingly majority of critics and gamers loved the first game and liked the second. Every game with have at least some people who don't like it. You may not have loved the games, but you are in the very tiny minority.

[NWR_insanolord]

I have to admit, Sonic Unleashed wasn't THAT terrible. Yes, the Warehog levels were ass... but I do have a soft spot for beat-em-ups and the game gives you the choice to make Warehog Dante move faster.

It also felt somewhat similar to Sonic Adventure, which I love to pieces.

Yeah, there's a reason I haven't sold Unleashed. It does have some redeeming qualities, and every once in a while gives you a hint of how good it could have been given some better choices in a few places.

[rad.i.kal]

can't wait to play this game, 2d mario, 2.5d levels oh yes! just looks smart, i think they finally figured it out

[Adrock]

The overwhelmingly majority of critics and gamers loved the first game and liked the second. Every game with have at least some people who don't like it. You may not have loved the games, but you are in the very tiny minority.

I love how you make these blanket statements and pass them off as fact. The "majority of critics" which I assume you mean game reviewers (otherwise your assertion is even more overreaching than previously thought) does not mean the majority of people who played the games. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong; I'm saying you can't rightly make that comment because there's nothing objective about it. Did you personally ask every person who played the Sonic Rush games what their thoughts on them were?

It's like those old toothpaste commercials where 9 out 10 dentists recommend say, Aquafresh. That doesn't mean 90% of all dentists recommended Aquafresh; it means 90% of the people they polled did. See, the original claim means next to nothing, but it sounds nice and suggests more than it actually means.

[BlackNMild2k1]

I thought some of you might be interested in the recent Sonic 4 Leak scandal

Apparently someone with access to PartnerNET has leaked videos of the entire game of Sonic 4 to Sonic Retro Forums(one of the videos are in this thread), but it wasn't until he suggested that he would leak the actual game (3 months prior to release) did SEGA decide to take action and blame the Sonic Retro forum admins for not plugging the leaks sooner. Sonic Retro Admins then decided to pass the blame onto the forum members by saying “You fuckers fucked up BAD,” even though they themselves posted many of those leaks on their front page(where a few of them still remain). Microsoft decided to shut down PartnerNet (a developer resource sharing website) temporarily to plug the leaks and begin an investigation on who was breaking the NDA's. This has led to Sonic Retro banning all Sonic 4 discussion in hopes to repair it's relationship with SEGA who was giving them exclusives prior to recent events.

Anyway, that's the summary, here is the link
http://www.tssznews.com/2010/04/03/sonic-retro-bans-sonic-4-discussion/


And for those that are looking for a sonic fix now
Sonic Flash Based Level Creator

video of creator in being played: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIRc_8JVUbM

[TJ Spyke]

I can't blame Sega. It's one thing for them to just post video (that's basically free advertising), but posting the game is piracy. The admins of the site can rightfully be blamed. Not only did they not remove the content from the boards despite knowing that whoever posted it did not have the authority to do so, but they actually promoted it on their front page (CAG doesn't remove leaked info on their forum, but they do not mention it on the actually site). I think all of the actions being taken are appropriate, the site banning discussion of the game (although apparently they still have some of it up) and Microsoft temporarily shut down PartnerNet while they find out who leaked the game (it's safe to assume that whoever did it will get fired and possibly sued).

[stevey]

Did the game actually get posted and currently being pirated on the darknet or was he just about to do it???

Apparently someone with access to PartnerNET has leaked videos of the entire game of Sonic 4 to Sonic Retro Forums(one of the videos are in this thread), but it wasn't until he suggested that he would leak the actual game (3 months prior to release) did SEGA decide to take action and blame the Sonic Retro forum admins for not plugging the leaks sooner. Sonic Retro Admins then decided to pass the blame onto the forum members by saying “You fuckers fucked up BAD,” even though they themselves posted many of those leaks on their front page(where a few of them still remain).

That's a massive exaggeration and really mean to Sonic Retro. (Some of their fan projects are really good.) SEGA contacted them when the leaks first began and they were told just to keep an eye on it, so they allowed the non-damaging (short videos, pictures, music clips) leaks to continue. It was solely Sonic Retro that decided that posting a full game play through when the game is still 3 month away is too soon (It happen to pretty much every major game a few days before release) and tried to stopped it.

[BlackNMild2k1]

I think SEGA contacted the guy who threatened to leak the game (different person from who leaked the videos) and convinced him that that wasn't a wise move. From what I'm hearing, there are NDA's attached to everyone that has access to PartnerNET including a university or two with game development classes.

It is thought that students of one of those classes are responsible and those classes are likely at risk of being cut off.

Of course this is all hearsay, so I don't know the details, just telling you what I heard.

edit:
Who wants the ending spoiled? ....

[Peachylala]

Let me guess Sonic turns Super Sonic and beats the **** out of Eggman, but pulls a bait and switch hence Episode 2.

[BlackNMild2k1]

The smiley hold the secret, try an make him talk.

[Caterkiller]

Sure most of us don't care, even I'm starting to forget about this game, but here goes anyway. Starting to feel like Kytim.
 
http://www.tssznews.com/2010/05/28/exclusive-sonic-4-gimmick-acts-shifted-to-iphoneipod-touch-release/
 
Becuase of ultra fan backlash there will be no motion mine cart or pinball stages in the console games. They will only appear on the Iphone and some other device.
 
 

[that Baby guy]

I think it's good news, overall.  From what I've seen, those would've really stopped all of the game's momentum mid-playthrough.  I'd rather see them remove bad content, rather than keep it.

Keep in mind, this is DIMPS that the source in that article is referring to.  I stand by my statement that the people at DIMPS don't know any more about the classic Sonic formula than anyone else developing Sonic titles, except that the original games were 2D.  Reading that link, it seems like the source really felt like the developers haven't been able to capture the feel of classic Sonic yet.

[BeautifulShy]

Well this came out today.Anybody pick it up?

[stevey]

nope