Topic: Washington Post Says GameCube is

[idgaf]

For the first time there's more game cube titles out than i have time to play, but I guess that's not important.  What's most important to this bias foo bar peas for brains is that his personal interest is in Microsoft and that he gets an article out on time so that he can "do his job" with minimal amount of reserach.  How in the world can xbox be ps' equal?  No games lined up? omg! what about Jungle beat?! I've been waiting for that thing to come out ever since i played it at E3.  But I guess if he's refering to third party stuff then.. it's kinda valid...

[nitsu niflheim]

The Washington Post is a crap newspaper, it's freaking liberal to the point that it's biased against about anything that doesn't lean to the left.  The only good thing about The Washington Post is the Sunday comics.   In my opinion the Washington Times is a much better paper, as I read it almost everyday.

[TheYoungerPlumber]

This guy doesn't seem to grasp the concept of buying a system for already-released games.

[Lokno]

Hey guys! Turns out the guy who made that statement, Rob Pegoraro, will be in a live chat Monday, December 6 at 2 p.m ET. You can tell him what you think directly.

[kennyb27]

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Let's be serious: Nintendo was and still is built around Shigeru Miyamoto's legacy. This is the guy who's latest game is about gardening (Pikmin 2)... how culturally relevant is that to gamer's in the US, or even Japan? Urban areas have no more green space, and how many boys do you know who are actual avid gardeners?

Pikmin is about...what?  Gardening?  Hardly.  The setting of Pikmin is a garden, indeed.  But how does that translate to it being about gardening?  No offense, but that is just a stupid statement made out of  ignorance.  

[Hostile Creation]

It was inspired by him gardening.  Inspiration can be very different from the final result, and though similarities exist, Pikmin is much different from gardening.
A lot more fun, for starters

[PaLaDiN]

I don't see what's so suprising about this.

More asinine media comments parading uninformed opinions as facts. What's new?

[Lokno]

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Originally posted by: Kairon
I agree pretty much with IanSane. This article points to the public perception of Nintendo's home consoles, whether or not it is factually true.

And thus, it also points to a disconnect between Nintendo's corporate and developmental culture and modern gaming culture. Let's be serious: Nintendo was and still is built around Shigeru Miyamoto's legacy. This is the guy who's latest game is about gardening (Pikmin 2)... how culturally relevant is that to gamer's in the US, or even Japan? Urban areas have no more green space, and how many boys do you know who are actual avid gardeners?

Let's face it, most mainstream gamers nowadays would call Mr. Miyamoto himself gay.

Not to say that it's their fault. No, not at all. Gaming isn't even going down the tubes. It's just that when you look at this from a larger perspective, you realize that the time for Nintendo to lead the industry as only Nintendo can has passed. Nintendo saved videogames in '84, tyranically revived it with the NES, presided over a golden AGE with the 16-bit era, and finally, with the PSX, had allowed videogaming to reach a point where it could go mainstream, where it could progress into another company's expertise.

Nintendo isn't failing or anything remotely like it (unless the only measure of success in your eyes is marketshare). But they are a relic of the past, a "Mastercraftsman" type of figure in the videogame industry who is now being replaced by Sony's and Microsoft's "factories" that democratize the gaming medium. This is not to say that Nintendo is worthless, far from it. They should be treasured and preserved for who they are, and the values they still hold in their development of games that very few companies share.

But Nintendo had their "turn" as the prime example of videogaming. It's time to let the next kid have their "go."

Besides, who knows what DMA (I refuse to call them Rockstar North!), Maxis, or Bungie can innovate in the field of videogames that Nintendo would never have come up with?

Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

You paint a terrible picture of the gaming world today. I assure you it's not as bad as you make it out to be. I think that the industry can handle more than one concept of what makes a good game.

[pyrokamileon]

wow...  i can't believe they let this article be posted.  i mean just reading the first paragraph, which was solely about concoles, not nintendo, not sony, not microsoft, but consoles in general, and already I can tell this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.  

"You mean people will write software for this box whose hardware hasn't changed since 2001? That's so quaint!"

sounds like he doesn't even care about the game, or the sound, or the control, sounds like all he cares about is the graphics, since thats really all you need new hardware for, hardware that's changed since 2001.  oh and by the way console hardware is made to be explored, and developed, new software and hardware is made to utilize "old" hardware in new ways, do new things and improve graphics.  if that weren't the case then the playstation would have gone no where, I've seen some pretty good graphics on the PSX but i've also seen some of the worst graphics on it as well.  anyways i'm done ranting for now, and I haven't even touched on the obsoleteness of the 'cube, oh well another day.  oh look, i wrote about as much as he did.  can i get back to mp2 now?  I heard it's system is obsolete.

[dafunkk12]

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Originally posted by: Kairon
Nintendo isn't failing or anything remotely like it (unless the only measure of success in your eyes is marketshare). But they are a relic of the past, a "Mastercraftsman" type of figure in the videogame industry who is now being replaced by Sony's and Microsoft's "factories" that democratize the gaming medium. This is not to say that Nintendo is worthless, far from it. They should be treasured and preserved for who they are, and the values they still hold in their development of games that very few companies share.

That was beautiful.  ::applause::

[KDR_11k]

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Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
The Washington Post is a crap newspaper, it's freaking liberal to the point that it's biased against about anything that doesn't lean to the left.  The only good thing about The Washington Post is the Sunday comics.   In my opinion the Washington Times is a much better paper, as I read it almost everyday.

Erm, left is socialism. Socialism and liberalism are incompatible. Liberalism demands things like an absolutely free market controlled by the corporations while socialism is about the equality of men and no privatization. Liberalism is center, socialism is left and nationalism is right.

[AGENTDICKLAURENT]

It's not surprising to get that mixed up.. it's not as if socialism exists in the US anyway. That is, if that person is indeed an American. If not, ouch. Hehe.

[Lokno]

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Originally posted by: dafunkk12

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Originally posted by: Kairon
Nintendo isn't failing or anything remotely like it (unless the only measure of success in your eyes is marketshare). But they are a relic of the past, a "Mastercraftsman" type of figure in the videogame industry who is now being replaced by Sony's and Microsoft's "factories" that democratize the gaming medium. This is not to say that Nintendo is worthless, far from it. They should be treasured and preserved for who they are, and the values they still hold in their development of games that very few companies share.

That was beautiful.  ::applause::

Yes, it would be a great simile, if making great games was just like making great cars; When all that matters is that next years model looks slicker, is more powerful and has more features. If you think that is true then this discussion if over - we part ways on that point. To me making truely great games is an art, just as with songs, books and movies. Therefore no matter how large and big the business of making games is, the mastercraftsmen will never die, and democracy only replaces true direction.

[Bloodworth]

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k

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Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
The Washington Post is a crap newspaper, it's freaking liberal to the point that it's biased against about anything that doesn't lean to the left.  The only good thing about The Washington Post is the Sunday comics.   In my opinion the Washington Times is a much better paper, as I read it almost everyday.

Erm, left is socialism. Socialism and liberalism are incompatible. Liberalism demands things like an absolutely free market controlled by the corporations while socialism is about the equality of men and no privatization. Liberalism is center, socialism is left and nationalism is right.

Another reason not to discuss politics here.   All these left and right definitions vary completely from country to country.  Even what is considered liberal and conservative depends on the history and culture.  

[uwvark]

THX for the email addy rocc94.
I emailed the guy asking if he even plays games since it didn't really seem like it to me. Or maybe it was just the negative perception that the gaming press has gave the CUBE since uh, always that scared him away from playing one.  All he felt necessary to tell me was that

"To answer your question, unless you *don't* think online gaming is relevant, I would say that the GameCube is looking pretty far behind the times. "

To which I wondered how he thought that made it "obsolete". So I replied again with the following:

"If I want to play online I always have my PC and Xbox. I'm one of the billion people who play Halo 2 online everyday. Game Boy Advance isn't online, does that make it obsolete? Hasn't it been the #1 selling console all year? Have you tried Donkey Konga or seen the new Mario Party? Online is fun sure but you still can't beat having everyone you play in one room together. I play games to have fun and most of the games I play aren't online and yet they remain fun. I won't defend Nintendo's reluctance to go online. It agree that it is a major reason why they seem to be slipping in the console race but in no sense of the word do I consider the Gamecube "obsolete". I also believe one of the major reasons Gamecube isn't doing well is because of people who write articles like you did. The gaming press has seemed to want Gamecube to fail since day 1. I don't know why that is and it bugs me. No one seems to write articles about what the PS2 or Xbox lack only what's good about them yet it's the exact opposite way with the Gamecube. I guess people think it's cool to bash Nintendo now. Whatever."

[InfinitysEnd]

"the Nintendo GameCube, is clearly obsolete"  Yeah, at having crappy games!  This guy is full of it, and obviously has no idea about the gaming market, nor does he even play games.  He's just a idiotic journalist for a newspaper--the periodical of EVIL.  So just do yourself a favor and don't worry about it.  They're ALL dying out--by 2006 we'll have Xcox 2, G@ystation 3, and Lamecube 2.  And then we can complain about "who's winning" for 5 more years.  Whoopdeedoo!